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Court rules automakers can record and intercept owner text messages
The Record. ^ | November 8th, 2023 | Suzanne Smalley

Posted on 11/09/2023 7:19:59 PM PST by george76

A federal judge on Tuesday refused to bring back a class action lawsuit alleging four auto manufacturers had violated Washington state’s privacy laws by using vehicles’ on-board infotainment systems to record and intercept customers’ private text messages and mobile phone call logs.

The Seattle-based appellate judge ruled that the practice does not meet the threshold for an illegal privacy violation under state law, handing a big win to automakers Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen and General Motors, which are defendants in five related class action suits focused on the issue. One of those cases, against Ford, had been dismissed on appeal previously.

The plaintiffs in the four live cases had appealed a prior judge’s dismissal. But the appellate judge ruled Tuesday that the interception and recording of mobile phone activity did not meet the Washington Privacy Act’s standard that a plaintiff must prove that “his or her business, his or her person, or his or her reputation” has been threatened.

In an example of the issues at stake, plaintiffs in one of the five cases filed suit against Honda in 2021, arguing that beginning in at least 2014 infotainment systems in the company’s vehicles began downloading and storing a copy of all text messages on smartphones when they were connected to the system.

An Annapolis, Maryland-based company, Berla Corporation, provides the technology to some car manufacturers but does not offer it to the general public, the lawsuit said. Once messages are downloaded, Berla’s software makes it impossible for vehicle owners to access their communications and call logs but does provide law enforcement with access, the lawsuit said.

Many car manufacturers are selling car owners’ data to advertisers as a revenue boosting tactic, according to earlier reporting by Recorded Future News. Automakers are exponentially increasing the number of sensors they place in their cars every year with little regulation of the practice.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Maryland; US: Michigan; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: automakers; automotive; creepstate; deepstate; donotsellmydata; generalmotors; honda; infotainmentsystems; maryland; michigan; news; policestate; privacy; security; singlepartystate; spying; suzannesmalley; toyota; volkswagen; washington; wiretapping
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1 posted on 11/09/2023 7:19:59 PM PST by george76
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That seems awfully nosy! The Millennials probably have no problem with it. For many of them, the term privacy has no meaning.


2 posted on 11/09/2023 7:22:42 PM PST by lee martell
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appeal from the Western District of Washington - David G. Estudillo, District Judge, Presiding

Argued and Submitted September 14, 2023 Seattle, Washington

Before: HAWKINS, R. NELSON, and COLLINS, Ninth Circuit Judges.


3 posted on 11/09/2023 7:24:45 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: george76

David G. Estudillo is a Biden stooge.


4 posted on 11/09/2023 7:25:51 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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>> the interception and recording of mobile phone activity

not a form of wire tapping?


5 posted on 11/09/2023 7:26:24 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: george76

Welp, there goes hands-free/Bluetooth while driving.


6 posted on 11/09/2023 7:28:24 PM PST by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021 and beyond.)
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To: george76

I’m guessing that this case will end up with the Supremes.


7 posted on 11/09/2023 7:28:42 PM PST by wjcsux (On 3/14/1883 Karl Marx gave humanity his best gift, he died. )
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My 2009 Mercury doesn’t have that feature, so I’m safe.


8 posted on 11/09/2023 7:29:30 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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The Seattle-based appellate judge ruled that the practice does not meet the threshold for an illegal privacy violation under state law, handing a big win to automakers Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen and General Motors,

This does not meet the threshold for an illegal privacy violation?!? What?!?!
Do you doubt that the corporations own the government?
9 posted on 11/09/2023 7:31:19 PM PST by anthropocene_x
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Never trusted it won’t use it


10 posted on 11/09/2023 7:31:49 PM PST by Blue Highway
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>>awfully nosy!

Evidence if a driver was texting in the event of a vehicle crash, in case the cell phone data was not recoverable due to damage.

Expect that this was a DOT mandate.

11 posted on 11/09/2023 7:36:06 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: Blue Highway

Well, there goes hands free comms while driving.


12 posted on 11/09/2023 7:40:39 PM PST by Billyv ( Ephesians 6:11 for we battle not against flesh and blood...Pray for our leaders and nation )
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Find a older low tech vehicle and build a Faraday box if you’re concerned.

CC


13 posted on 11/09/2023 7:44:30 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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I never use the built-in computer with my phone.

I have a data plan, for a reason, and it is not to feed my private stuff to my car to record and sell to others!


14 posted on 11/09/2023 7:45:37 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Billyv

Just put your phone in a holder and use it that way.


15 posted on 11/09/2023 7:46:53 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

**My 2009 Mercury doesn’t have that feature, so I’m safe.**

4 vehicles here
07
04
01
90 (the hoss, seats 6, 4x4, 8’ bed, 5th wheel and bumper hitches.)


16 posted on 11/09/2023 7:52:15 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: george76

I remember when cars were just transportation to go somewhere.


17 posted on 11/09/2023 7:54:47 PM PST by Gnome1949
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A free people need a secure way to communicate without ANYONE ever being able to decrypt the data...

A small, personal crypto device is the only simple way to send secure data over an inherently insecure network that is accessed by phones and computers that are also compromised.

A snooper would be left with nothing but traffic analysis, it’s a shame there is no easy way to hide that as well as the content..


18 posted on 11/09/2023 7:55:39 PM PST by Bobalu (I can’t even feign surprise anymore.)
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To: george76

Turning off the blue tooth. First, they force us to go hands-free, then they say okay for those calls to be snooped on? The intrusions are getting worse!


19 posted on 11/09/2023 7:56:13 PM PST by madison10 (He watching over Israel slumbers not, nor sleeps.)
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To: Blue Highway

I stopped using it a couple of years ago. I rarely receive phone calls, and text messages can wait until I stop the vehicle. One less thing (Bluetooth being on 24/7) to drain the smartphone’s battery.


20 posted on 11/09/2023 7:59:30 PM PST by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021 and beyond.)
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