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To: Sam77

Charging with electricity is approximately 2.5 times cheaper per mile than refueling with diesel.* Operators can see estimated fuel savings of up to $200,000 within their first three years of ownership. With remote diagnostics, over-the-air software updates and fewer moving parts to maintain, operators will spend less time at service centers and more time on the road.

https://www.tesla.com/semi


2 posted on 03/25/2024 3:37:34 AM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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To: Libloather
Don't forget the demand charge that businesses pay in the power bills. If a fleet has ten semi's charging at 300kW each simultaneously at any point in the year, then there will be demand charge for 3,000 kW each month for the whole year.

In Alabama that would be $1.50 X 3,000 = $4,500 per month added to the power bill, just for the demand charge, before paying for the per kWh pulled from the grid that month.

I'm not anti-EV. I own an EV because it's practical for my driving habits and warm climate, etc. I'm just saying EV's should be free market.

3 posted on 03/25/2024 3:43:16 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Libloather

“Operators can see estimated fuel savings of up to $200,000 within their first three years of ownership”

“operators will spend less time at service centers and more time on the road”

Until it’s NEW BATTERY TIME, then all that pie in the sky crap goes right in the toilet.


5 posted on 03/25/2024 3:50:53 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: Libloather

2.5X is patently absurd. Vehicle efficiency is the same. F = MA is still true. Except electric trucks weigh a LOT more so much more energy is wasted accelerating that mass. It is ridiculous to assert that electric power generation, transmission and distribution would cost that much less than refining and delivering diesel to stations. Especially when we don’t have anywhere near enough generating capacity or T&D capacity to power electric consumer and commercial fleets. Only magical EV unicorns could account for that 2.5X advantage.


13 posted on 03/25/2024 4:37:44 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“When exposing a crime is treated like a crime, you are being ruled by criminals” – Edward Snowden)
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To: Libloather
I don’t know anyone in the trucking business who thinks it is remotely feasible to electrify medium- and heavy-duty trucks.

Any reduction in fuel costs is more than offset by the combination of reduced payloads due to the battery weight and lost productivity due to excessive charging time

14 posted on 03/25/2024 4:43:58 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: Libloather

“So in order to go 4,000 miles per week, you’re looking at spending well over 300 minutes sitting at a charging station - that’s AT LEAST 5 hours the driver won’t get paid for, vs. the 45 minutes for a diesel rig.”

https://www.quora.com/It-seems-the-Tesla-Semi-will-weigh-22-5-tons-How-significant-is-the-weight-difference-compared-to-ICE-semis-Does-it-still-make-a-lot-of-economic-sense-for-trucking-companies-What-is-your-opinion

EV for local maybe if the extra battery weight isn’t an issue but diesel is still better for over the road. (more at the link)


16 posted on 03/25/2024 5:07:37 AM PDT by MulberryDraw
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To: Libloather

Battery weight -> less freight -> more trucks per delivered weight units -> more costs to firms and taxpayers maintaining roads


20 posted on 03/25/2024 5:21:17 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Libloather

in optimum conditions, with no consideration how much that electricity costs to generate, and the additional expense of infrastructure, etc. It JUST WON”T WORK. Let’s do some honest science and compare ALL the cost features, not just plugging in to a home socket.


25 posted on 03/25/2024 5:50:42 AM PDT by silent majority rising (When it is dark enough, men see the stars. Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: Libloather

Sounds great, but you can’t actually buy a Tesla semi.

Nowhere do they tell you what the load capacity is, or the price.

Put your name on the list and they will get back to you...someday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3dCDNIRM34


26 posted on 03/25/2024 5:54:09 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Nothing says "Democracy" like throwing your opponents in jail.)
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To: Libloather
The battery weight of the Ford F-150 lightning is approx. 1,800 pounds with an alleged 230 mile base range.

There is no mention of how many batteries a semi truck will require or how much more weight they will carry in order to haul a maximum load of 80,000 pounds.

27 posted on 03/25/2024 5:57:09 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Libloather

How often do they have to charge it and what does the battery weigh?


30 posted on 03/25/2024 6:45:42 AM PDT by bray (You can tell who the Commies fear.)
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To: Libloather
"Charging with electricity is approximately 2.5 times cheaper per mile than refueling with diesel.* Operators can see estimated fuel savings of up to $200,000 within their first three years of ownership. With remote diagnostics, over-the-air software updates and fewer moving parts to maintain, operators will spend less time at service centers and more time on the road."

The problem with that theory is that the fuel for the current fleet of trucks is transported to the retail distribution points by trucks using the same fuel. Fuel for battery-only EVs only can be transported to the retail distribution point by means of the common electrical grid, which in many places already is either over-taxed or under-powered or both.

Switching to battery-only for OTR trucks will drastically compound the problems with the existing grid.

Not to mention there has never been any large-scale, real-world testing to confirm the efficacy of the plan. Which is as silly as building a rocket you propose to send to the moon without first testing it with a suitable number of shorter missions.

37 posted on 03/25/2024 9:11:02 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Libloather

LOL. How money do they make when the are charging for hours and hours????


38 posted on 03/25/2024 9:17:27 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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