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ABORTION 2.0
Powerlineblog ^ | Apr 10, 2024 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 04/10/2024 7:29:28 PM PDT by lasereye

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To: lasereye
No, one can't get elected the Governor of Hell without promising to murder as many babies as possible.

But who the hell wants to be the Governor of Hell?

Another requirement for the Governor of Hell is to impersonate Jesus-ette and to tell your constituents "apostles" that Jesus wants you to take your hellish Covid vaccine into your sacrosanct concentration camp body because you owe it to you lovin neighbors.

Who the hell wants to be an apostle of Hell?

Luke 17:32
Remember Lot's wife

But if you really just can't beat em, go join em! Lots of more hellish things than losing an election can happen.

21 posted on 04/11/2024 4:32:14 AM PDT by Theophilus (covfefe)
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To: lasereye

Slavery was a states’ issue, and the Dredd court endorsed that. And there was a civil war on the issue.

Abortion was for decades a federal issue, and the Dobbs court reversed that and made it a states’ issue. I don’t think either way a civil war can be avoided.

Both slavery and abortion are predicated on the existential question, who is and is not a human being, can be avoided. Neither states nor the federal government have any solutions to the dilemma. But unlike slavery, fetuses can’t run off to a state where they’re allowed to live and be free. But the putative mommy can run off to a state where she’s allowed to kill the little darling.

Neither the states nor the federal government can avoid the fact that that existential question should not even occur to anyone. Society has become sick. Abortion is just a symptom of a deeper sickness.


22 posted on 04/11/2024 4:59:59 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: lasereye

Good question. And the answer is hell no.


23 posted on 04/11/2024 5:42:22 AM PDT by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: moonhawk

Dems winning on abortion
President Trump is taking that issue away


24 posted on 04/11/2024 5:57:33 AM PDT by italianquaker
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To: wiseprince

That’s right, but there is a paradoxical element complicating the abortion issue:

To save unborn babies, pro lifers need to win in politics.
But winning in politics requires strategy.
Strategy involves sacrifice, for example sacrificing a pawn to win in chess.

But the debate over abortion involves unborn human babies, not pawns.

Ironically, the refusal of pro-lifers to accept strategic sacrifice means they will not win, and therefore more lives will be lost.

The answer of course, is for pro-life candidates to advocate the lowest number of weeks during which abortion is permitted - and still win their elections. Advocating too strict a ban and letting the Democrat win will not save a single life.

More lives will be saved if pro-life candidates play it smart and win their elections.


25 posted on 04/11/2024 6:06:49 AM PDT by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: lasereye
If you're no different than the DNC on the issue, why bother voting for you?

Stand for LIFE and the MEANS TO PROTECT IT or stand with the baby-killing racist POS DUmocrats.

26 posted on 04/11/2024 6:44:18 AM PDT by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: enumerated

That’s right, but there is a paradoxical element complicating the abortion issue:

To save unborn babies, pro lifers need to win in politics.
But winning in politics requires strategy.
Strategy involves sacrifice, for example sacrificing a pawn to win in chess.

But the debate over abortion involves unborn human babies, not pawns.

Ironically, the refusal of pro-lifers to accept strategic sacrifice means they will not win, and therefore more lives will be lost.

The answer of course, is for pro-life candidates to advocate the lowest number of weeks during which abortion is permitted - and still win their elections. Advocating too strict a ban and letting the Democrat win will not save a single life.

More lives will be saved if pro-life candidates play it smart and win their elections.


EXCELLENT POST.

Why can’t our side understand such common sense? Its the most basic of common sense...........


27 posted on 04/11/2024 7:29:06 AM PDT by hillarys cankles
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To: enumerated; All

Christianity is defined by a very gruesome sacrifice. As you say it it does seem odd that it’s not understood.

Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. - John 11:50


28 posted on 04/11/2024 7:36:07 AM PDT by wiseprince (Me)
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To: RasterMaster

I haven’t said that Republicans should adopt the pro-abortion position.


29 posted on 04/11/2024 7:49:09 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: Theophilus

I am not advocating joining them. I am not advocating that Republicans come out in favor of unrestricted abortions. That is not what I said.


30 posted on 04/11/2024 7:52:52 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: Theophilus
These are contradictory:

If John Hinderaker thinks we can't beat them, then he should join them and enshrine child sacrifice as a constitutional right.

No, one can't get elected the Governor of Hell without promising to murder as many babies as possible.
But who the hell wants to be the Governor of Hell?

Is your position that we can win on the abortion issue (without any compromise at all) outside of deep red places or not?

Your first comment suggests you think it is "yes". Your second comment suggests it is "no", but we shouldn't even want to win. It's confusing.

31 posted on 04/11/2024 8:01:09 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: hillarys cankles

Thanks!

One thing I forgot:

The sacrifice of conceding x number of weeks is not a permanent sacrifice, it’s like picking low-hanging fruit - you can always come back later with a taller ladder and pick more.

There is absolutely no downside to making a strategic compromise in the number of weeks abortion is permitted, because the debate over abortion will continue regardless of laws passed and regardless of elections won or lost.

Efforts to influence public opinion in a pro-life direction will always continue outside of politics, and if successful, perhaps future pro-life candidates will find the political landscape more favorable - allowing them to advocate further limitations and still win their elections.

One huge example of this was the advent of ultra-sound in the late 1970s. When it became commonplace for pregnant women to get an ultrasound, the abortion rate dropped precipitately, because it became much harder to deny the fetus was a baby.

And that development occurred totally outside of politics or law.
The political and legal battlegrounds over abortion are not the only battlegrounds - and arguably not the most important battlegrounds.

If pro-life thinkers and cultural leaders can influence the public in the right direction, politics and law will follow suit.


32 posted on 04/11/2024 9:22:53 AM PDT by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: Beowulf9

God is forcing this.

Trump is not trusting in God but politics, man.


33 posted on 04/11/2024 9:27:12 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Theophilus

“I believe the day is coming and not far off, where women will be forced into sterilization and abortion to save the God da*ned climate. That is unless they are completely sexually neglected because the sodomites are too busy gang raping the dwindling male population.”

Wow. This is totally ridiculous.


34 posted on 04/11/2024 9:31:59 AM PDT by Nazu
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To: hillarys cankles
Ironically, the refusal of pro-lifers to accept strategic sacrifice means they will not win, and therefore more lives will be lost.

People who think that way are in fact not trying to save any lives at all. They are trying to make a statement about themselves. They are conservative virtue signalers. A virtue signaler is not ultimately interested in actual results. They are concerned with having a certain image of themselves. It's all about themselves. We typically see virtue signalers on the liberal side, especially in Hollywood.

35 posted on 04/11/2024 9:32:02 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
Trump is not trusting in God but politics, man.

What does that mean?

36 posted on 04/11/2024 9:34:47 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
Make America Great Again????

BWAHAAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Make Americans Good Again!

The United States of Abortion will never be great.

37 posted on 04/11/2024 9:36:15 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Nazu; Theophilus
Wow. This is totally ridiculous.

The Peoples' Republic of China would like to have a word with you.

38 posted on 04/11/2024 9:37:16 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: hillarys cankles

I disagree.
A proper politician can frame the case to the citzens laying out the moral calamity that tolerating sexual depravity and the related murder of innocent human beings truly is, and with persuasive skill, win the argument for votes.


39 posted on 04/11/2024 9:58:05 AM PDT by Repent and Believe (Heaven or hell; We'll each spend eternity in one or the other.)
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The GOP doesn’t have the balls to accuse the Rats of their mass-murdering designs on Life and aggressions towards the sanctity of motherhood.

#ing Rats


40 posted on 04/11/2024 10:59:32 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist! )
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