ABORTION 2.0

Powerlineblog ^ | Apr 10, 2024 | John Hinderaker

[lasereye]

There are two ways for Republican candidates to respond to the Dem attack ads on abortion in purple states and Congressional districts (and also Trump). The correct way is to point out that all Dobbs did was return the issue to the individual states where it belongs, and then pivot to the economy and the border. But the Republican will need lots of money to counter the Democrat attack ads, because the Dems have boatloads of money. There's all these delusional people who think campaign spending doesn't do anything.

The wrong way of responding is to accuse the Dems of being extreme on the issue, such as supporting late-term abortions. That'll fail in just about every case. First of all in most cases their Dem opponent won't actually say they're for late-term abortions. Biden doesn't say that and he never will.

Also there's all these middle of the road voters who think "choice" is what's important. By actually trying to debate the abortion issue, the Republican would fall right into the trap of being portrayed as "anti-choice". Even if their Dem opponent openly supports late term abortions, the Republican should not spend any ad dollars on that. They could bring it up in speeches or interviews, but then immediately pivot to the economy and border.

[Lod881019]

If they make it about abortion and that’s it. You simply make it about Laken Riley and Joes apology to the killer 24/7 problem solved

[italianquaker]

President Trump shut down that nonsense already

[Beowulf9]

Good points. I just hope ‘they’ in the Republican party see it, because it surely is a trap laid a-coming.

[moonhawk]

Which “nonsense”?

[lasereye]

I think taking the position that Dobbs was correctly decided is the best choice for Republicans, as long as they make clear what Dobbs actually did, i.e. it just permitted the people to decide the issue and nothing else. If that’s clearly explained I think a majority could be convinced that Dobbs was right. A Republican that tries to avoid saying anything about Dobbs or attacks it will not help themselves imo.

[Theophilus]

If John Hinderaker thinks we can't beat them, then he should join them and enshrine child sacrifice as a constitutional right. Then he can get back to lowering the top marginal tax rate or something.

I believe the day is coming and not far off, where women will be forced into sterilization and abortion to save the God da*ned climate. That is unless they are completely sexually neglected because the sodomites are too busy gang raping the dwindling male population.

[lowbridge]

“By running on abortion. We saw it in many areas of the country in 2022. What should have been a red wave petered out”

I don’t buy this argument that abortion was a winning issue for the democrats. The reason why the red wave petered out in 2022 was due to the democrats voter fraud.

[hillarys cankles]

I don’t buy this argument that abortion was a winning issue for the democrats. The reason why the red wave petered out in 2022 was due to the democrats voter fraud.

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Of course you don’t buy it.......................

Im just resigned to the fact that the rights gonna shoot themselves in the foot again. And again, and again, and again,...............

[LastDayz]

“Im just resigned to the fact that the rights gonna shoot themselves in the foot again.”

More like worshipping the gravy train they’re riding.

[lasereye]

Let me ask you this: Can someone be elected Governor of NY on a promise to sign a law that bans all abortions?

[wiseprince]

How to win the debate:

I am calling on Govenor Hobbs to immediately convene a Special Session to work with the legislature to solve this and put the law in line the expectations of Arizonans. It’s patently obvious what Arizonans are looking for and the solution can be passed in a week or two. I hope I’m wrong but Im afraid the Govenor will have the same response she has had with immigration and that is to do nothing because she thinks, wrongly, that it will help Joe Biden. Govenor Hobbs needs to do the right thing here and she needs to do it quickly. This is ultimately a great reminder as to why this needs to be done at the state level. If the Govenor does the right thing we can have this fixed inside of two weeks instead of the 20 years we would have to wait for a solutions coming out of Washington. Call The Govenor now to ensure she is prepared to call a special session immediately Arizonans can’t wait!

[Olog-hai]

The Uniparty voter fraud, to be exact.

[mbrfl]

>>”I haven’t read that decision, but offhand I have no idea how a 160-year-old territorial law could possibly override an inconsistent law passed two years ago. That would seem to violate basic legal principles. In any event, if its Supreme Court somehow makes Arizona a no-abortion state, there is zero chance that Trump will carry Arizona in November. None.”

Makes me wonder if that was what the Arizona Supreme Court had in mind when they made their decision.

[daniel1212]

the premise behind the typical justificatory arguments for abortion (“respecting individual autonomy and the right to make decisions about one's own body,” “negative consequences on public health,” “the freedom to choose what's best for them”) is that the unborn at any time of abortion is not a human person, even though it will be rather quickly very manifest to be one indeed.

Even if someone you invited into your car or house secretly brings a child with them without your consent, then you simply do not have the right to exterminate that life, which is not a lethal threat to you. In some states, you cannot even shoot suspected burglars unless they manifestly endanger lives, much less a lost vulnerable child who finds a way into your house since you left the door open.

And even more unjustifiable is to kill a child resulting from your choice to engage in a behavior which most naturally produces offspring.

And 98% of abortions are due to reasons other than rape, incest:

And a study of approx. 64,000 out of 3,664,000 births in 2021 found that only 1.7% may be due to ectopic pregnancies, and with a total of approx 4% being due to health reasons:

"Risk to the woman’s life or a major bodily function: 0.2%[6] Other physical health concerns: 2.5%[7] Abnormality in the unborn baby: 1.3%[8] - Fact Sheet: Reasons for Abortion - Lozier Institute (and accommodating doctors can use "Other physical health concerns" liberally).

So in order to justify the “pro-choice” position - which is denying the subject of extermination any choice in the matter, and is contrary to the normal course of nature - then one must deny that what is inside the womb is a human person (unless pro-choice promoters are willing to be classed as murderers, which they are).

And thus the pro anti-infant choice promoter must justify their basis for determining that.

Will it be the ability to function on its own, though it rather shortly will be able to? If so, then you had best not be laid up for a while if needing life-sustaining support.

And of course, most aged in nursing homes could thus be turned into sources of protein.

Will it be based upon location, meaning outside the womb killing the infant would be murder, but before that it is open game?

Or will the unborn human life be valued at least as much as protected migratory birds are, for due to the procreating nature of the egg of a protected migratory bird and the value placed upon it, then crushing the life of such is outlawed.

The fact is that, as a 1.6 birth rate testifies, children overall are increasingly not desired nor seen as needed, or at least not if they require much sacrifice, while typically spoiling the one or maybe two children parents have on average, and with children being often replaced by pets, which are seen as more worthy of care and cost.

Meanwhile, fornication costs the country greatly.

[daniel1212]

I don’t buy this argument that abortion was a winning issue for the democrats. The reason why the red wave petered out in 2022 was due to the democrats voter fraud.

Actually, it is partly because as one FReeper argued here, many in the GOP see opposing abortion on demand as not being a "winnable political position." The preborn were not consulted,

However, the arguments for abortion on demand, for any reason, esp. up to birth, are what are rationally unwinnable but the GOP seems intent on being Democrat light versus taking the fight to be Left. Thus, they do not even try to court immigrants, like as showing the short term gain, long term loss of the Democrat system.

[spincaster]

It is hard to believe that the country would vote our Republic away so they can kill babies. Abortion shouldn’t even be an issue in a God fearing nation. The Democrats are totally mindless.

[SisterK]

Governor Hobbs do the right thing?
The right thing in who’s eyes?
The girls can go to New Mexico or California to have their babies killed.

[SisterK]

thank you

[wiseprince]

“The right thing in whose eyes?”.

That’s a feature of the messaging. It doesn’t matter (everyon fills it in). This is not Trump’s issue to fix but there is a way to get people on your side without taking a position. Make no mistake this is all politics. We just have to play the game better.