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The Work Accident Team
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Posted on 09/05/2001 7:19:53 PM PDT by Askel5

PA ADMITS TO ‘WORK ACCIDENT’

Even the PA has now admitted: A "work accident" led to the death yesterday of Muhammad Yassin, 24, in Gaza. He was in the midst of preparing a bomb in his parents’ apartment when the explosive went off, killing the would-be terrorist and destroying the entire apartment building.

The Work Accident Team

One car after another went through the checkpoint, just like yesterday and the day before. The IDF (Israeli Defense Force) had been manning these inspection points long enough now that the delay and inconvenience were becoming routine. Inconvenience was now part of everyday life in Jerusalem. Slowly the line moved on.

Since the suicide bombings began in the city the Intifada was having a different kind of impact on the Israelis. Buses were definitely less popular. People were staying away from the malls. Traffic had fallen off in the restaurants.

The uniformed IDF man waved a white van into the checkpoint and ordered the two Arabs out into the sun. A pair of Israeli soldiers led the two men to a spot about fifteen feet from the van to check their identity papers and work permits while the van was gone over.

The Arabs stared incredulously as the first IDF man produced a Geiger counter and began probing the inside of the van. The officer checking their IDs told them that the IDF had been tipped off that Hamas would try to smuggle radioactive materials into Jerusalem to contaminate Jewish holy sites. It was hard for the Arabs to keep from laughing out loud. How could the Jews be so gullible?

The man inside the van was very methodical and would be finished in 45 seconds. He probed every part of the interior of the van. The Geiger counter in his hands was US Army surplus from the late 60's. The guts had been removed and very carefully replaced with a very sophisticated solid state nitrate sniffer. The device was now impossible to detect in its new casing and was far more sensitive than the most well-trained bomb-sniffing dog. The instrument could detect the faint residue of explosives in an empty cardboard box even if it had only held the explosive for fifteen minutes as far back as three weeks ago.

There were no explosives in the van but the nitrate sniffer indicated that explosives had been hauled in it very recently. The soldier left the van and pretended to search the undercarriage. The phony search under the van would give him the opportunity to attach a micro-transmitter to the vehicle. The 'homer' would use GPS signals to continuously relay the van's exact position to an IDF Intelligence outpost.

The Arabs were told that they were free to go.

When the homer indicated the van had come to rest, the Work Accident Team was notified. They studied the reported location and went to work. They would have to watch the building the driver was in at all times. It must be assumed that the explosives are somewhere inside.

The tasks of the team are very nerve wracking. They must watch everyone that comes and goes for up to thirty-six hours. They must complete their mission within a day and a half.

They drive a big Ryder-like truck with a fiberglass body. Tiny cameras concealed on the truck are controlled from inside the rear of the truck where two Mossad agents operate them from the very cramped spaces left them by the 'ANAI' equipment which takes up most of the cargo space. The ANAI package consists of an electrical system designed to generate an extremely powerful pulse of energy in the FM radio spectrum and an antenna to direct it wherever necessary.

The six-foot long YAGI antenna was trained on the house as soon as the truck arrived so that the pulse could be delivered with very little delay at any time within the coming thirty-six hours.

ANAI is the Hebrew word for thunderbolt.

Mossad engineers got the idea for ANAI from a device the US Secret Service started using in the sixties. Whenever the president was to speak they would set up a suitcase-sized radio pulse generator near the podium and zap the hall with a few pulses. If any bombs were present, the RF would arc across the open switches, detonating any devices nearby. This procedure still is followed to this day.

The ANAI pulse generator is many times more powerful than the Secret Service unit.

This same RF-arcing phenomenon is the reason police units always are instructed to not use the radios in their squad cars when responding to emergencies involving explosives. Just the act of keying their microphones could detonate explosives in a nearby building.

The Work Accident Team would watch the house and wait for the right moment to launch the invisible thunderbolt through the fiberglass skin of the truck. They had done this before. They would try to develop a feel for how many people were in the house. In particular, they would hope for Hamas commanders and/or known bomb-making instructors to enter the house. There were many political figures on the fringe that would also make great targets if they happened to show up. </p?

If no one on the official 'target list' materialized and they were approaching the end of the thirty-six hour window of operations, they would consider other elements. If they were running out of time they may try launching the pulse when there were plenty of Palestinians in close proximity. The newspapers would report that the hapless Arab bomber had made a mistake, killing not only himself, but also some of his neighbors. It always looks like an accident.

It was a clean modus operandi and very secret. If a pulse were launched and there was an explosion: great … one less bomb to kill Israelis on the street. (If it was an actual bomb factory, perhaps twenty less bombs for the street.) No one goes to prison. No Mossad agents testifying in court, telling Hamas what means were used to trip them up. No indication of what Hamas must do to keep from getting caught again next week.

If they launch an ANAI pulse and nothing happens, nobody gets hurt. It's like the Mossad were never even there. Knowing there were explosives in the van not long ago, they may stake out another address to which the van travels. If nothing shakes out of that address within thirty-six hours they will deliver a pulse and move on to the next location.

The Israeli newspapers have begun referring to bomber mishaps as 'work accidents.' When it happens to the IRA, the English papers call it 'scoring an own goal.'


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: hamradio; idf; intifada; mossad; workaccident
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Searched the web for IRA "+own +goal" with Safesearch on. Results 1 - 69 of about 191.

Google Searched the web for bomb "+own +goal" with Safesearch on. Results 1 - 100 of about 685.

Google Searched the web for Israel "+work +accident " Results 1 - 100 of about 1,750.

To be fair, Google narrowed that last search with "+bomb" bringing the 1,750 down to a mere 1,410 entries.

Seems odd that the vanilla "own goal" and bomb (which one might assume would cover ALL English stories regarding ANY bomber -- IRA, Palestinian or otherwise -- who fudged) would exceed the Bomb Work Accidents of Israel.

I, for one, was surprised. Hadn't "homed in" on the Work Accident lingo as yet and realize now I missed the boat on this particular bit of Newspeak.

1 posted on 09/05/2001 7:19:53 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Legion59

2 posted on 09/05/2001 7:23:41 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: LSJohn independentmind
Hope you won't mind my bumping you to an anonymous short story for Security-Minded sorts.
3 posted on 09/05/2001 7:27:21 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
If they were running out of time they may try launching the pulse when there were plenty of Palestinians in close proximity.

One wonders what the British policy is, concerning the "close proximity" of undifferentiated Irish.

4 posted on 09/05/2001 7:57:11 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Askel5
it's not the pulse that gets them it's the static from the polyester the palestinians wear. grounding strap, we don't need no stinking grounding strap.
5 posted on 09/05/2001 8:14:06 PM PDT by IRtorqued
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To: Askel5
Following the deaths of six Palestinians in an early morning explosion, an ugly Israeli euphemism has been resurrected. - What The Middle East Papers Say
6 posted on 09/05/2001 8:32:38 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Askel5
Thanks for the bump. I was unfamiliar with both expressions.
7 posted on 09/06/2001 6:54:17 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: Askel5
Remember that "Earth First!" (FOE?) crazy who was blown up by the bomb she built? I believe it was under the seat of her car when it went.

Hell of a way to get a hysterectomy.

--Boris

8 posted on 09/06/2001 7:30:10 AM PDT by boris
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To: Askel5
Strange that they're releasing this much info-wonder if this story is disinformation- i.e. put the word out that having a bomb or bomb making material can be dangerous to your health, and the health of your family.

It would seem pretty simple for demo guys to switch to pyrotechic fuses.

9 posted on 09/06/2001 7:40:28 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d
Well ... for the Very Bright among the bombmakers, it might cause them to think twice before helping the Cause without express permission or encouragement to do so. You don't want to end up dead because you're encroaching on some other guy's territory or making the Don look bad with your Good Works.

This story certainly isn't disinformation, just a musing by a very security-conscious sort with whom I had a discussion on this a long time ago -- about the time Clinton dropped the football -- when some guy scored an own goal in his garage after picking up the phone in his house as the feds closed in.

HOWEVER ... I truly was amazed by the Google returns. Particularly given the one chiming in of the PA on the "work accident" bit I happened to open. That -- and my hoping to get some comments or insights like yours -- prompted me to go ahead and post it.

Given the arresting disparity in Google returns, I do indeed believe someone's Sending a Message.

As with the Gore campaign (wherein Mr. Environment flooded a dam for a photo op, brought up the Love Canal out of the blue, let his friends at Oxy crank a seven-year pipeling itch with the Injuns in Colombia, fought with NOW and PP over his pro-life record and got locked out of his office by angry gays) it's sometimes hard to get the point across to the Totally Brainwashed Sorts you've worked so long and so hard to dumb down in the name of women's rights, black power, gay pride ... Allah ... or whatever other bit of balkanization works best.

If you wouldn't mind explaining (it's not my forte by any means) ... if pyrotechnic fuses would do the trick as end-run round the pulse, (1) is there any technology which likewise allows for Security Services to sweep an auditorium, building or perimeter clean of explosives rigged thus and (2) are there big drawbacks to pyrotechnics which make them undesirable as a rule?

10 posted on 09/06/2001 9:38:39 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Senator Pardek
Nice catch.

I saw the necklace thread, btw. It's enough to make one weep.

Beats talking about her strong stand in favor of embryonic stem cell research, I guess.

Collective IQ of 5 on those threads. Even including the really Smart types who fawn fawn fawn only in an effort to whip the really Stupid into a frenzy of Icon worship.

11 posted on 09/06/2001 9:44:49 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
(1) is there any technology which likewise allows for Security Services to sweep an auditorium, building or perimeter clean of explosives rigged thus and (2) are there big drawbacks to pyrotechnics which make them undesirable as a rule?

I'm not a demo expert, but I've seen people play them on TV *grin*

All I know is what they showed us in the army, and stuff I've read since:

Re 1) far as I know, there are sniffers (canine & electronic) that can detect the presence of explosives, but I don't know of any technology that can detonate them remotely.

Re 2) Only thing I can think of is a fuse train isn't instantaneous- but even there, i would think an instantaneous grenade fuse (like in a smoke grenade) attached to some det cord leading into your charge would do the trick.

Lefty? Stumps? 3 Finger Bob? Any ex-demo boys out there who could clear this up?

12 posted on 09/06/2001 2:22:25 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d
Lol ...

I'll start searching and flag a few folks that look like they may know more.

I'm curious.

13 posted on 09/06/2001 3:17:10 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Kristinn
Hey ... are these the guys always across the street from us? Prop1.org

Suitcase Bomb -- Misc. News Refs -- 12/7/90-1/26/00

14 posted on 09/06/2001 3:49:57 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Senator Pardek Legion59
"Czech" this out!

Odd little number called "Who's Listening" ('97) from Infowar.

15 posted on 09/06/2001 3:56:22 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
I saw the necklace thread, btw. It's enough to make one weep.

At first, I thought you were referring to some thread concerning atrocities committed by the ANC is SA.

Then I sez to myself "hey Pardek, this is FR 2001 - you're thinking (at least) one level too deep!!!"

16 posted on 09/06/2001 3:57:56 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
LOL ... you're more wicked than I.

Actually, as for necklacing ... it's happened more than once here in New Orleans since I've been here.

We're more like "de islands" than the U.S., IMHO.

17 posted on 09/06/2001 4:06:39 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Senator Pardek
Funny you bring up the ANC, though.

I've just wasted about 10 minutes scanning through a LENGTHY Do's and Don'ts for ANC members re: keeping safe sensitive materials, keeping an eye peeled for surveillance and keeping alive by steering clear of car bombs and other booby traps. Interesting, actually.

18 posted on 09/06/2001 4:08:04 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
Excellent article! I was wondering why so many bombmakers were getting blown up. You would have thought they were experts by now. Thanks for the update.
19 posted on 09/06/2001 4:19:01 PM PDT by ColoradoAce
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To: Askel5
"Funny you bring up the ANC, though. I've just wasted about 10 minutes scanning through a LENGTHY Do's and Don'ts for ANC members re: keeping safe sensitive materials, keeping an eye peeled for surveillance and keeping alive by steering clear of car bombs and other booby traps. Interesting, actually. "

We're talking African National Congress?

The previous SA regime had a sort of psy-ops deal where they had an agent infiltrate some ANC gang, and provide them w/antipersonnel grenades. With instantaneous fusing..."Freeeeee... Nelson Mandeeeeeeela, freeee BANG oww oww oww..."

20 posted on 09/06/2001 6:48:14 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: ColoradoAce
To be perfectly honest, it's a short story ... not an article.

That said, were it not for the author, I probably wouldn't be hanging out here. Out of touch for nearly ten years, I found FR while sussing out details I'd HOPED (in vain) would punch some holes in the stories he was telling me five years ago.

21 posted on 09/06/2001 7:41:24 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: fourdeuce82d
A few martyrs are always good for business ... plus, it's wise to off the True Believers if you can't co-opt them. Not all radicals can read the handwriting on the wall and capitalize properly on a conversion or partial epiphany of one sort or another ... (like Horowitz, Martin McGuinness or Mandela himself, for that matter).
22 posted on 09/06/2001 7:53:45 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
LOL ... you're more wicked than I.

I did make it into a joke, but for a moment, I REALLY DID assume that. I thought I was bad for dwelling in the gutter at this site, until I looked down and saw all of those folks in the sewer!

23 posted on 09/06/2001 9:52:55 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Askel5, Jeremiah Jr
Imagine what you'll know... tomorrow


24 posted on 09/08/2001 3:48:39 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal ... lol!

25 posted on 09/08/2001 7:33:15 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Squantos
Any thoughts on this?
26 posted on 09/08/2001 7:44:58 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: Askel5
Hope you won't mind my bumping you to an anonymous short story for Security-Minded sorts.
Ha!

This 'suitcase' sized deal, or the 'truck' (so-called "RF-arc zappers") are WAY TOO easy to build!!

Have any of you guys ever seen your local hams on a transmitter hunt on either 2M (146 MHz) or 70 cm (450 MHz)? A lot of them use a 5 or six element beam on top of the car to the the RDF (radio direction finding) - rotate the beam and look for strongest signal on the radio and bingo - drive in that direction!

TRANSMIT into that same antenna with a 45 Watt radio and the output of that 10 dB gain Yagi antenna becomes 450 Watts ERP (Effective Radiated Power)!

Need greater range? 200 to 300 Watt amplifiers are available for the 2M radios - into a 10 dB gain yagi and ERP s on the order of 3,000 watts can be had (of the Yagi will 300 watts of input power)!

This should be more then enough to affect most consumer/commercial electronic equipment - as well as any exposives using electrical blasting caps.

ALL this gear (excluding the Yagi antenna) are available from Radio Shack ... think about that the next time you see the local 'ham' club DFing for 'a rabbit' - it might be the local bilderberger operatives 'sweeping' *your* neighborhood for explosives instead!


27 posted on 09/08/2001 8:14:30 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: _Jim
Damnit _Jim ...

Must you, of all posters, show up to lend credence to the pure conjecture of a Good Night Story?

(You like this one, don't you?)

If they're Radio Shack easy to assemble, why aren't folks encouraged to protect themselves with personal Zappers -- as common as cell phones or pepper spray -- instead of letting Security Services handle it for us?

28 posted on 09/08/2001 8:21:36 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: McGRUFFF says: "Take a bite outta Terrorism!"

29 posted on 09/08/2001 8:23:09 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
why aren't folks encouraged to protect themselves with personal Zappers
"They aren't qualified to assemble gear even as simple as this - without making perhaps fatal errors?"

Plus - they'd need a ham license (the hams are a self-policing lot who will turn in an unlicensed user of their bands in a heartbeat) ...


30 posted on 09/08/2001 8:28:33 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: _Jim ... interesting. Thanks very much.

31 posted on 09/08/2001 8:41:34 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: QUESTION FOR HAM OPERATORS ...
What are the primary reasons you turn in unlicensed ops in a heartbeat?
32 posted on 09/08/2001 8:42:35 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
What are the primary reasons you turn in unlicensed ops in a heartbeat?
A) Because we are 'self-policing', b) we demand respect for the use of our bands, C) some of us operate repeaters in the ham bands and therefore act to protect our interests.

When was the last time you let some one you didn't know camp in your front yard, dig a latrine and use your hose freely?

(PS. I'm also a ham.)

33 posted on 09/08/2001 8:46:38 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: _Jim
Clearly, I don't understand the concept at work here. Back in the '70's when CB's were the rage, we talked to HAMs cross-country all the time. Now, if they were talking "on our level", I can understand.

Is the channel or frequency space just so limited that folks guard their reach zealously so as not to get walked on or what?

Assuming average Joes were licensed to "pulse" at will ... that would be the equivalent of popcorn popping continually on your receiver?

I guess I was operating under the impression that run-of-the-mill RF arcing would take place as someone approaches their house, car, office or small plane and a single pop would do it.

34 posted on 09/08/2001 9:18:55 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
For a while in high school I thought I might be interested in ham radio, but I was quickly put off by the daunting licensing requirements. Acquiring proficiency in morse code was just the beginning, and that entitled you only to communicate in code, and on restricted frequencies. To be licensed for voice required superior morse code proficiency, plus a considerable understanding of RF electronics.

Though I think licensing requirements may have eased up someone since then, I can certainly understand why a license is evidence of a lot of study and achievement. It makes sense to me that licensed hams would resent the intrusions (into their limited bandwidth) of uncredentialed poseurs and wannabes.

35 posted on 09/08/2001 9:38:24 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
someone=somewhat
36 posted on 09/08/2001 9:39:44 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Askel5
Back in the '70's when CB's were the rage, we talked to HAMs cross-country all the time. Now, if they were talking "on our level", I can understand.

You were talking to *other* CBers. I started in 'radio' about that same time and do not -ever- remember hearing, or talking to, 'hams'. At that point in time, the rules on CB operation (if you will recall) were rather strict as to who you could talk to on certain channels - and, to boot, Hams and CBers *never* shared any common frequencies.

Licenses were also *required*. (It wasn't the free-for-all that it is now.)

Is the channel or frequency space just so limited that folks guard their reach zealously so as not to get walked on or what?

Hams are courteous. If you recall again, it was 'mayhem' on those first 23 channels (before more spectrum was allocated for 17 more making 40 total) - especially when the 'band' was open. You couldn't talk two or three miles local sometimes with the 'skip' was rolling in.

Hams enjoy TONS more spectrum (frequencies - if you will) than CB ever has had, and are probably 3rd or so in the lineup as far as dedicated spectrum overall. The biggest users are broadcast (AM, FM TV, satellite), 2-way users incl local govt, and the US Govt.

Hams enjoy enough spectrum that we aren't "on top of" each other - we have some spectrum that works well for country-wide coverage at night, some that works well during daylight hours, and still other spectrum that works well day or night.

We also enjoy spectrum in the VHF and UHF area adjacent to the 2-way public safety and busines radio services work. These frequencies are used with a lot of the same 2-way radios that the public safety people use (like Motorola and GE). We also had 'telephonce interconnect' (phone patches) with this equipment decades before any cell phones appeared on the scene!

Hams also have *legal* power limits that far and away exceed 'CB', which legally used to be "5 watts DC into the final PA stage" which equates now tro about 4 watts RF output. SSB CB is around 12 to 15 watts PEP. Ham, by contrast are allowed something over like over 1,000 (one thousand) watts (somewhat dependant on band in some areas) output power. (I think max ham output power might be actually around 1,550 watts, but since I don't quite approach that limit I'm not concerned ...)

So, between a lot of availble spectrum, general courtesy, coordination in the use of the VHF and UHF spectrum (via VHF Repeater Coordination Commitees and the like) we cooperatively use our spectrum to the benefit of all hams.

Assuming average Joes were licensed to "pulse" at will ... that would be the equivalent of popcorn popping continually on your receiver?

... yes ... and it wouldn't that hard to find, either. I've tracked down and located malfunctioning gear of all types, 1) from active TV antennas (set top mounted types like the Radio Shack ATV-1000) and several brands as used on RV/motorhomes, 2) malfunctioning telemetry on a city water tank 3 mile away, 3) malfunctioning paging services in the UHF band and others ...

I guess I was operating under the impression that run-of-the-mill RF arcing would take place as someone approaches their house, car, office or small plane and a single pop would do it.

One thing - detonating an electrical detonator doesn't require an arc - just electrical current (DC or AC or even high frequency AC like RF will do it). A 5-watt 2-way radio as carried by the poh-leece or a firefighter could do it. 600 milliWatts from a cell phone probably wouldn't (unless you were right on top of the device).

There cautions printed on those things listing the cautions - and safe distances - to be observed.


37 posted on 09/08/2001 9:56:58 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: _Jim
errata (before I'm called to task by a fellow ham):

1,500 watts = 1,550 watts

38 posted on 09/08/2001 10:00:21 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: razorback-bert
My days in EOD supporting Tech Services Division in USSS were ended 7 years ago when I retired. Professionalism requires me to keep my mouth shut, so please just assume that a "I don't have a clue" answer for ya on this matter.

All I'll suggest is that everyone here get out their little booklet and paperwork that came with their own personal cellular phone. Inside that packet somewhere is a statement/warning to not operate the phone anywhere near a electric blasting cap or blasting operations ..............

You read between the lines. Stay Safe Bert.....

39 posted on 09/09/2001 3:18:06 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Askel5
The guts had been removed and very carefully replaced with a very sophisticated solid state nitrate sniffer. The device was now impossible to detect in its new casing and was far more sensitive than the most well-trained bomb-sniffing dog.
I may have or may not have once had a client that designed and made things like this. Very cool stuff, but also very invasive. You can really test for almost anything you want to.

patent  +AMDG

40 posted on 09/10/2001 10:15:56 AM PDT by patent
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To: _Jim
Thank you very much for the detailed response (which I'll probably have to read a couple more times ...)

I'm CERTAIN we talked to a few hams. Talk about Boom Boxes ... hearing them come over the line after scratchy semi-drivers was enough to shatter the overhead window of the Vista Cruiser.

41 posted on 09/10/2001 3:27:56 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
BTTT
42 posted on 10/02/2001 10:38:05 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: _Jim
"ALL this gear (excluding the Yagi antenna) are available from Radio Shack"

Far cheaper to buy an old Micor or Mastr on ebay for $25, no? :)

43 posted on 10/02/2001 11:01:33 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: fourdeuce82d
...wonder if this story is disinformation?

It's possible to defeat this with electronic devices. Careful engineering is required, which I do not know the details of, nor would I relate it here if I did know.

44 posted on 10/03/2001 6:48:48 AM PDT by no-s
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To: Don Joe
Far cheaper to buy an old Micor or Mastr on ebay for $25, no? :)
Far cheaper that way - but who has the gear, let alone the knowledge anymore, to 'tune' those up?

And would Askel5 understand those terms if I were to use them first out of the box?

Much better 'deals' than those on Ebay can be had at Dayton, too ...

45 posted on 10/04/2001 1:28:21 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: Travis McGee
I think the trick is to trip his trigger, so to speak. =)
46 posted on 03/04/2002 10:13:33 AM PST by Askel5
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To: boris
Remember that "Earth First!" (FOE?) crazy who was blown up by the bomb she built? I believe it was under the seat of her car when it went.

Hell of a way to get a hysterectomy.

Disassedher, I'd imagine.

47 posted on 05/09/2002 9:53:26 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Southack
Well, here's our answer.
48 posted on 09/28/2002 7:55:09 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz; Askel5
An unusually pro Israel post from askel
49 posted on 09/28/2002 7:59:29 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
...realize now I missed the boat on this particular bit of Newspeak.

Don't kid yourself.

50 posted on 09/28/2002 8:01:38 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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