Will the Worst Casualty be Liberty?

self | September 11, 2001 (A day that will live in infamy) | Eternal Vigilance

[Sus]

Damn right we want our liberty!

Give me Liberty or give me death!!!!!

[CELTICGAEL (Celt)]

I do not know how to post so I will post it here. Please spread the word. Here in Columbus Ohio the downtown area is a mess. They have or will be shutting down all Government buildings. The streets have police officers everywhere. So please take note Central Ohio Freepers and spread the word. Pray, Pray, Pray

[sendtoscott]

If you want complete safety, or as close to it as you can get, you should check in at the nearest prison.

Its off topic, but (when FR search is back up) do a search on "prison rape" to see just how off base that was. You aren't safe in prison either; you are arguably in more physical danger. Citizens of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia had more to fear physically from their "protecting" govt than from street crime or foreign invaders. Giving up liberty for safety just means you lose both.

[hedgetrimmer]

Free men must defend themselves. We can keep our freedom if we are willing. The National Guards and Militias should be mobilizing in every community right now!

[sendtoscott]

If you want complete safety, or as close to it as you can get, you should check in at the nearest prison.

Its off topic, but (when FR search is back up) do a search on "prison rape" to see just how off base that was. You aren't safe in prison either; you are arguably in more physical danger. Citizens of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia had more to fear physically from their "protecting" govt than from street crime or foreign invaders. Giving up liberty for safety just means you lose both.

[Michael Rivero]

"My nephew works, or worked on 58th floor at WTC South. Explain it to him. In the meantime, Mr. Armchair Patriot, go fuck yourself!"

Folks, we don't know for a fact who did this. And if one can envision any one group willing to do something this vile to make a point, one must accept the possability of ANOTHER group willing to do something this vile to make the first group look bad or as a justification to declare martial law.

And let us not forget that the prior histor of the Unitd States is to get out of financial trouble by getting into wars.

None of us knows who did this. Be careful of those who insist they should decide for you.

[Madame Dufarge]

Thousands of peolple have just died, becuase you wanted a little liberty.

Well, I guess that answers Eternal Vigilance's question.

What's a "little liberty" over safety, eh, cringer?

[The Shootist]

Thousands of peolple (sic) have just died, becuase you wanted a little liberty

Liberty is what these people died for. Think!

[AlaskaErik]

Tom Brokow on NBC just a few minutes ago..."we'll have to revisit the freedoms we have".

[watcher1]

Thousands of peolple have just died, becuase you wanted a little liberty.

I can't believe you even think that. You are a JBT arn't you. You should be happy about all this. I'm sure you'll be a very busy and happy man as you help transform American from a Free Republic to a gulag police state.
BTW What's wrong with finding out who did this and punishing THEM? Shreading the Constitution won't bring the dead back to life.

[hellinahandcart]

Yes, worth repeating, but am I the only person on this thread who realizes we're at war? Only the formal declaration is lacking. And if anyone thinks America at War isn't going to be slightly more restrictive than America at Peace, they are KIDDING themselves.

Jesus, the ash hasn't even settled yet and people who are SAFE and NOT HERE are worried about how it's going to affect THEIR freedom of movement. It just doesn't sit well, I tell you.

[Vermonter]

I too have a nephew who worked in the WTC, not sure which building. He called home after the initial attack and told his family he was OK, but I don't know where he called from. I can no longer get through by phone to NYC to get any more info.....

[mr spike]

Watch...For The Quisling LURKERS...Who's Theme Song 'is' Its 'OUR Liberty THATS THE EMEMY!!!!!!......

[an amused spectator]

Tom Brokaw - what a slimy little worm. Can you imagine be on one of those planes, knowing that you couldn't do a damn thing while the perps cooly made the decision to kill the thousands in the buildings in front of your plane?

I guess the strict prohibition against weapons on commercial flights has proved to be the same horsepoop as the insane gun laws in the big cities - a total lie, and totally useless.

Time to go to Israeli carry codes.

[philman_36]

I do hope that your dire thoughts are wrong.
If Liberty is sacrificed for safety all that has been fought for will have been for nought.
What an abject means to subject the people. Will our nation be so beguilingly succumbed?

[mrustow]

Tom Brokow on NBC just a few minutes ago..."we'll have to revisit the freedoms we have".

Brokaw was calling for government censorship of the Internet over one year ago, under the pretext of shutting down neo-Nazi groups. I think he was more concerned with organizations like FR, which have for years shown up him and his fellow anchors as propagandists. He has always been freedom's ardent foe.

[Ancesthntr]

I don't think that he was ready to embrace anything. Just wanted a little while to grieve or sort this out or whatever. And reading some guy's thesis on "not letting this change us" isn't the best way to recovery.

Everyone involved should have a chance to grieve, and we should be shoulder-to-shoulder with them. My brother has (or had?) about 20 friends and acquaintances who worked in the WTC complex. He believes them all to be dead. He is shattered like I've never heard him before - more so even than when a family member died. He saw the 2nd plane hit.

Again, everyone should grieve, or help another grieve. But we can't forget who we, as a nation, are. This nation has literally lost hundreds of thousands of dead to maintain its freedom. Indeed, we lost about 1% of our population (equivalent to 2.8 million today) in order to secure our freedom. It would monumentally compound this tragedy to allow everything that these people fought and died for to vanish in a moment of panic or fear.

Today is for grieving, tomorrow for action. Never for permanent reductions in our liberties.

Dennisw - please see my #29. There are many things to be concerned about. Yes, the people who were killed and injured, and their families, are first. Give blood and pray for them. But we cannot let the Ba$tard$ who did this accomplish their goals, by passing rash and harsh laws in the heat of the moment.

[Ancesthntr]

I don't think that he was ready to embrace anything. Just wanted a little while to grieve or sort this out or whatever. And reading some guy's thesis on "not letting this change us" isn't the best way to recovery.

Everyone involved should have a chance to grieve, and we should be shoulder-to-shoulder with them. My brother has (or had?) about 20 friends and acquaintances who worked in the WTC complex. He believes them all to be dead. He is shattered like I've never heard him before - more so even than when a family member died. He saw the 2nd plane hit.

Again, everyone should grieve, or help another grieve. But we can't forget who we, as a nation, are. This nation has literally lost hundreds of thousands of dead to maintain its freedom. Indeed, we lost about 1% of our population (equivalent to 2.8 million today) in order to secure our freedom. It would monumentally compound this tragedy to allow everything that these people fought and died for to vanish in a moment of panic or fear.

Today is for grieving, tomorrow for action. Never for permanent reductions in our liberties.

Dennisw - please see my #29. There are many things to be concerned about. Yes, the people who were killed and injured, and their families, are first. Give blood and pray for them. But we cannot let the Ba$tard$ who did this accomplish their goals, by passing rash and harsh laws in the heat of the moment.

[Marine Inspector]

I'm sure these people, shouted, "I'm dying for liberty", as they jump out of the windows of the collapsing building.