Posted on 09/14/2001 9:47:12 PM PDT by Naspino
I see this stopping criminals... not terrorists? They don't have to stand in front of you are look you in the eye. They pack a car full of explosives and drive it up to your house -- and they may even sit in it while it blows up...
Guns are the answer to THIS particular threat. I don't think anyone in government will argue that.
Are you being sarcastic? I hope so.
No one can assure my security...or yours either.
Only the dead are perfectly safe.
Tuor
Hah! They know they can't fight us that way. That is the whole reason they resort to terrorism to fight us.
Tuor
I'll add to that. The terrorists that did this had expired visas -- they should have been hunted down and removed anyway. I think these issues are going to take on a BIG role in future debates about our internal security. We will obviously look more like Israel after this. If you are in Israel you see people with M16s in the malls, at checkpoints, walking down the street, even driving between cities you'll see them up on the hills walking across border lines.
Its a free society -- I can walk around all I want because I don't look like an Arab. However -- you might occasionally be stopped and asked to prove your identity. Getting into the country is VERY easy -- getting OUT is extremely hard -- don't ask me...
They control their airspace and the airports are a considerable distance from the cities. They have marshals on every flights.
Sorry meant "Guns are NOT the ..."
No one can assure your security from a criminal -- however -- if they implement internal security -- you'll see daily lives resume to normal without fear from islamic fundamentalists.
I consider myself of above average - when it comes to tactical things...
And I could tell you, I wouldn't use it.
Seriously, want to know what I'd do, in their position?
One of two things. Attack like they have been, and wait for a counter attack... then use the nuke (it will be a backpack device)... on a city.
Or... if I only had one...
I might wait for the American armies to take the field... and use it on them.
Using your best weapons first is not necessarily the best tactic. It depends on your overall strategy.
Its Powell's statements about arrest and trial that are worrying me right now -- but I'll let that pass as disinformation for the moment.
Well, disinfo from his own mouth is rather damning, IMO...
Well, I see them as the same thing.. GOP = return to founding fathers -- gradually. We can't afford to lose elections to Socialists that will drag us farther into chaos
Disgree. Each election no matter WHO wins drags us farther into socialism and chaos. If this were not the case, we'd see gradual returns of freedom when Republicans were in power. We don't. We see SLOWER erosions of freedom.
Our enemy can't be beaten on the battlefield alone.
On that, I disagree again. Hard to win a battle when you're dead. We can simply kill them all.
I didn't want to post it, but I've been thinking the exact same thing. I can live with random violence...
I don't think I can live in a police state. For long at least...
Kill who?
Some would argue that you must be a criminal. Only criminals and terrorists have to fear our police. Our police are good people a lot are conservative -- but we've also seen report after report that they execute their orders -- and sometimes that involves taking away our freedoms.
Not this human. They can just kill me, instead.
Very true. Those fears will be replaced by fears of our own government who will not relenquish the power we given them if we do it in the form of a blank check.
In WWII, we had clear enemies who could be fought and defeated. Once that was accomplished, the war was over and peace returned. When will this 'war' be over? Never; not the way I've heard it framed lately.
This will not be a war, but a permanent change in our societal structure -- a change which will eventually lead to the end of this nation as it currently stands, IMO.
I don't want to see America become the Land of the Safe, Home of the Regimented.
Once, we were greater than that.
Tuor
If it is -- the mark of the beast -- then that might be the only way you can enter Heaven.
What I'm worried about is my children. Tell me this -- what happens if they did come and say you have to implanted or you will be arrested and I refused for my young son. Would they take him away and forcibly implant him? Does that mean he will be eternally damned? What do you do in that situation?
My list? I think that for this act of war against America that we should absolutely destroy EVERY terrorist group that has EVER attacked America with so much as a firework. All of them. Completely. To the last man.
If a State harbors or defends them, then we declare war on that State and destroy its leadership and army, and replace it with an occupied government.
I am in no way suggesting half measures EXTERNALLY.
I don't want to make slaves of our own citizens. I want to make Arabs piss themselves whenever they even THINK about attacking us again. That's the form of terrorist control I want. Not restrictions on us, but the fear of God in them...
I want an absolutely brutal response against those that have done this. I do not want to 'bring people to justice'. I want them dead.
I am not interested in what 'some' say. I am only interested in Morality and Truth.
I would rather lose a skyscraper a week than to lose the Republic... or the vestiges of it.
I'd point something else out. When we go, the world goes.
The world economy is based on our stability. On our freedom. On our capitalist society.
Convert that to fascism, and I for one... will quit. I will not produce again. Friction will wear down the rest of it, and you'll have a new Dark Age on your hands. Only this time... the Kings will have nukes.
I think you're playing devil's advocate. But let's be clear what civilization rests on.... it rests on freedom.
Bab Walters did an interview of a woman who's husband was killed -- she said her husband would NEVER have wanted the US to take vengence on another country.
The libs will find more and more of these people and they'll start doing TV magazine articles covering the tragedy of the arab victims, why they hate us...you'll see a large portion of this country will want us to end all military efforts -- so a prolonger action is unlikely -- it has to be done quick -- and to do it right you'd have to remove EVERY islamic from the world. You don't know which of the 1 BILLION are terrorists and which are not. Can't kill them all -- so you have to stop them from carrying out their mission in this country.
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