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Hundreds call for forgiveness, not violence
The Seattle Times ^ | 9/23/01 | Christine Clarridge

Posted on 09/23/2001 11:51:52 PM PDT by ppaul

Crowded into Westlake Plaza yesterday afternoon were hundreds of people: professional protesters, anti-military activists and plenty of regular folks with kids, jobs and mortgages, who wanted to let the world, the city, anyone who would listen, know that they don't want war. They carried placards and signs that said, "One people, one planet" and "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

And they cheered for speakers who called for reason, patience, compassion and forgiveness in the midst of a military buildup sparked by the terrorist attacks.

"Tuesday (Sept. 11) gave us a pile of rubble that was not only of bricks but also of bodies and hopes and dreams," said Gina Aaf, an Afghanistan native and University of Washington student. "There have been many piles just like that throughout history and one more pile isn't going to solve anything."

Ed Mast, a spokesman for the 911 Peace Coalition that helped organize the Alternatives to Violence rally, urged the crowd to be strong of heart.

"We are grieving. We are mourning," he said. "But let's not betray our grieving with more violence. Let's not betray our mourning with more deaths."

Many in the crowd acknowledged that there was an element of futility to their message: Their voices couldn't stop the buildup of arms and forces already under way in the United States and abroad.

But they said it was important for people to know that the war movement, while supported by many, is by no means supported by all.

"It's a very important thing to show that there are people who are opposed," said Ernest Mailhot, a member of the Socialist Workers Party.

"There's been this idea that if you are not backing the war drive, you're not mourning the dead, and that's wrong."

Cori Adler, a professor, writer and mother who brought her 2-year-old daughter, said she hoped the tragedy would inspire the United States to re-examine its role in the world.

"We can't put all our energy into being a superpower and then be surprised when we're viewed as bullies," she said.

Whenever one group attacks another, it's often described as a strategic move.

"Well, now that's happened to us and we know that all that symbolic posturing is really about real bodies, real blood and real lives."

The demonstration, which may have drawn as many as 800 participants, was overwhelmingly peaceful despite a small group of counterprotesters who gathered across the street with signs and flags.

"We're out here to support the U.S. and George Bush," said Crosby Olsen, a student at O'Dea High School. "All these people, if they got what they wanted, this country would no longer be free and they wouldn't be able to stand over there and protest."

Lee Tuimanu'a, a former Marine who served two tours in Vietnam, was driving through town on his Harley when he saw the demonstration and the small group of counterprotesters. He pulled over and took a stand with the smaller group.

An anti-war demonstrator, who didn't want to give his name, approached Tuimanu'a, wanting to know why the ex-Marine picked that side.

"I've earned my citizenship. I have a right to be here. You haven't earned anything," said Tuimanu'a, who was wearing a "Remember New York" T-shirt and a red, white and blue bandana.

After a few more exchanges, he lost patience: "Kid, you're a leech. You have the luxury of being here for free because guys like me made the sacrifice."

(emphasis added)


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To: ppaul
Lord, give me the right words when the time is appropriate.
141 posted on 09/25/2001 10:34:55 PM PDT by Concentrate
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To: Romulus
I agree with you that we as Christians should humble ourselves and pray, seeking God's face, asking His forgiveness and mercy, both individually and as the body of Christ, and that we should forgive people who do evil things against us personally. It's just that I don't think that we have power to forgive sins that were committed against other people. Only the victims themselves, if they are able, whose blood cries out from beneath the rubble, and God Himself can do that.

Cordially,

142 posted on 09/25/2001 10:37:03 PM PDT by Diamond
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To: IceGirl2
It is time for Christianity to reach out to our black population who are so susceptable to the persuasion used by Muslims to convert.

News Flash!!

- American Black folks are already generally Christian and have embraced Christianity since being brought here as slaves. Those who convert to Islam have typically tried Christianity and found it wanting for a list of reasons. Now if you want to encourage them to give Christianity another chance go ahead but don't come in assuming they have no exposure to it, especially if they are over 30.

143 posted on 09/25/2001 10:37:18 PM PDT by mafree
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To: IceGirl2
Re:52 I understand what you're saying. But what if the Muslims are right? What would you say?

Note to self: I haven't heard much from Allah's folks protesting the death of 6000+ "infadels". What a coincidence.

144 posted on 09/25/2001 10:51:21 PM PDT by Concentrate
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To: Publius6961
Yes you are, the same thing we are all missing. Some sign of intelligent life...

Knock it off!

145 posted on 09/25/2001 10:53:45 PM PDT by Concentrate
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To: Diamond
Agreed. The call to personal repentance in no way obviates our obligations to the innocent victims of September 11, much less to prevent the victimhood of those whom the murderers would target next.
146 posted on 09/25/2001 10:58:46 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
But this is a perfect time for us to be thinking about forgiveness of our own offenses. Now that we know first hand just how hard it is to forgive a treacherous and malicious enemy, we're in a better position to discover a spirit of repentence and decent humility, and a true appreciation of the mercy of God who stands ready to forgive what we've done to Him. I suspect this is the only way we'll ever achieve the extraordinary grace we'll need to forgive what was done to us on September 11.

But you are assuming that what they did to us is a result of what we did to them. It doesn't NECESSARILY follow. They hate us and want to destroy us because we are infadels, and no other reason. We could make nice-nice to them forever, but they'd still want to kill our women and children. Get it?

147 posted on 09/25/2001 11:02:20 PM PDT by Concentrate
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To: ppaul
Maybe these liberals will offer up one of their loved ones to the terrorists? I don't believe they want something like this to affect their lives.

The liberals are the reason we're in this mess.

148 posted on 09/25/2001 11:11:05 PM PDT by boycott
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To: IceGirl2
To: IceGirl2 Why are you being both racist and blocking groups of people of one religion, while saying it is not of America? America is not a Christian Nation, we left England for demands on our religious freedoms. Maybe over the years you have forgotten that we are a Country of not only freedom, but religious freedom. I don't want terrorists, but I don;t demands on how I believe in God either because it may not jive with yours. Muslim men do now have 4 wives serendipitiously, nor is it a tenet of thei religion, and especially not in the manner you portray. If we are going to choose bigamy to pick on, let's start with Utah, and I doubt there are many Muslims there. Your coments are more scary then the Muslims in this Country. You are a terrosist in your own right.
150 posted on 09/25/2001 11:53:16 PM PDT by Danielle
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To: ppaul
"We must help President Bush wage total war on world terrorism and marginalize those misguided souls who chant for "Peace at any Price." Our biggest challenge will be safe-guarding our God given, Constitutionally protected civil liberties. Well said. We must also marginalize those misguided souls who chant for "safety and security at any price," who foolishly believe that by stripping law-abiding citizens of Constitutionally protected civil liberties the deeds of evil men can be held in check."

I am not going to give up my civil liberites and rights unless they infringe on National Security, which does not include negative comments about others beliefs, just because we have someone attacking us. I want those attacking us to be brought to justice, but I am not going to become a barbarian to get that justice - I still believe in our Constitutoin and a Free Society. Rememebr Americans are made up of a many differnt people.

151 posted on 09/26/2001 12:02:51 AM PDT by Danielle
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To: Danielle
Your point being?
152 posted on 09/26/2001 7:45:23 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
There have always been -- and always will be -- those who take refuge in our freedoms while openly belitting those who defend them.
153 posted on 09/26/2001 7:54:03 AM PDT by Whilom
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To: virtualreb
An effective answer to the problem of terrorism against the US that has not been tried to this point is an expansion of the Clinton doctrine of not dealing with sleezy criminals to forward national interests.

Excuse me?

154 posted on 09/26/2001 11:03:33 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Euro-American Scum
ping.
155 posted on 09/26/2001 2:51:29 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: fone
ping.

Lots of goodies above.

156 posted on 10/12/2001 11:51:59 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: fone
ping. Lots of good stuff above.
157 posted on 10/12/2001 11:54:50 PM PDT by ppaul
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