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ABC News Forbids American Flag
Washington Post ^ | 24 September 2001 | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 09/24/2001 10:24:37 AM PDT by aculeus

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:20 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Two brief paragraphs from the 'Jennings' column in today's Washington Post may deserve more attention. Jennings said things you may not like on 9/11 -- but this is going on NOW.

ABC has barred its journalists from wearing lapel flags such as the one sported by White House correspondent Terry Moran.


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Why do they call it the American Broadcasting Company?

Note: This is a Disney subsidiary.

1 posted on 09/24/2001 10:24:37 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
Time to freep away.
2 posted on 09/24/2001 10:26:49 AM PDT by Petronski
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To: aculeus
THis really pisses me off. Well, no more ABC in this household---I might miss Spin CIty and Drew Carey, but the rest was trash anyway!
3 posted on 09/24/2001 10:27:28 AM PDT by lawgirl
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To: aculeus
..yes, they need to stay neutral, they wouldn't want to be seen taking sides between the USA and foreign terrorists...they both have valid points of view...
4 posted on 09/24/2001 10:27:28 AM PDT by freeper12
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To: aculeus
Geez, the idiocy in this world never ceases to amaze me! So the American media does not want to be seen taking sides in an "America versus terrorism" battle?!?!?

Thank God for the Internet!

5 posted on 09/24/2001 10:28:34 AM PDT by Coop
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To: aculeus
I heard Sean Hannity on this subject this weekend, who's radio talk show is on an ABC station in NYC. He said this is simply NOT true, but is the "spin" from another network that is trying to justify their own bad policies.

Anyone have the facts before we do a needless Freep?

6 posted on 09/24/2001 10:29:01 AM PDT by AgThorn
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To: aculeus
Has any single organization done more to further anti-American causes than ABC?
7 posted on 09/24/2001 10:29:28 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: aculeus
Why do they call it the American Broadcasting Company?

Maybe they can change it to the A$$hole Broadcasting Company
At least that would describe Jennings better
8 posted on 09/24/2001 10:31:49 AM PDT by Fiddlstix
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To: aculeus
Glad I don't get ABC.
9 posted on 09/24/2001 10:32:10 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: aculeus
F**K ABC and DISNEY
Let them do as they please, I will let them know my mind with my WALLET!
10 posted on 09/24/2001 10:35:10 AM PDT by MooCollins
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To: freeper12
ABC's hidden agenda is that support for the USA is inextricably linked to support to President Bush and ABC doesn't wany any part of that.
11 posted on 09/24/2001 10:37:41 AM PDT by monocle
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To: biblewonk
"Has any single organization done more to further anti-American causes than ABC?"

CNN, the Democratic Party, National Council of Churches, ACLU, NEA, 98% 0f Hollywood...just a few that come to mind.

12 posted on 09/24/2001 10:38:08 AM PDT by nofriendofbills
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To: aculeus
Figures. ABC. That's that moron Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect network. The out-of-step, politically incorrect, anti-American crowd sticks together.
13 posted on 09/24/2001 10:38:53 AM PDT by holyscroller
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To: AgThorn
I heard Sean Hannity on this subject this weekend, who's radio talk show is on an ABC station in NYC. He said this is simply NOT true, but is the "spin" from another network that is trying to justify their own bad policies.

Hello?

It's a quotation from an ABC executive published in today's Washington Post.

No further confirmation needed.

14 posted on 09/24/2001 10:39:25 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
If we want to see ABC's attitude change, begin to contact the sponsors of shows on the ABC network. Inform them that you will no longer be buying thier products if they continue to advertise on ABC shows and tell them why you are taking this action. Money talks and it won't take long for ABC to get the message. Huting them in their bottom line is what is needed now.
15 posted on 09/24/2001 10:39:31 AM PDT by scooter2
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To: MooCollins
My..My..that was to the point! - LOL
16 posted on 09/24/2001 10:40:08 AM PDT by TwoStep
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To: aculeus
"Especially in a time of national crisis, the most patriotic thing journalists can do is to remain as objective as possible,"

It's like Alice In Wonderland logic.

In a NATIONAL crisis, a PATRIOTIC American journalist should remain OBJECTIVE.

Welcome to bizarro world.

I have said it before and I will say it again. Politically correct thinking will be the end of the United States of America.

17 posted on 09/24/2001 10:42:46 AM PDT by SocialMeltdown
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To: lawgirl
My parents called last night before 9 so they would not miss "The Practice". Not knowing anything about the show, I asked what channel it was on. They told me ABC and I made the snide remark that somewhere on the show there would be something about homosexuality. About 10:45 I flipped to it and watched the last little bit. Story about a young Congressman that might have killed his wife's lover(couldn't make it too close now could we?) until the end when the audience finds out the dead man is actually the Congressman's lover. I almost fell out of my chair.

Parents called and said they were never watching the show again

18 posted on 09/24/2001 10:44:27 AM PDT by billbears
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To: biblewonk
Yep! CNN....
19 posted on 09/24/2001 10:46:51 AM PDT by clee1
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To: aculeus
I don't watch U B C or Disney. UnAmerican Broadcasting Company.
20 posted on 09/24/2001 10:47:32 AM PDT by Patriotic Rich
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To: aculeus
ABC forbids American Flag?? I don't care!! I'm flying my flag and I could careless whether ABC salutes the flag or not. I could careless if Peter Jennings feelings are hurt. I only care about Americans who love America and aren't ashamed of who we are. For the rest of the lot, I've no time for them! Moving on!
21 posted on 09/24/2001 10:48:34 AM PDT by MoJo2001
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To: aculeus
I think it's GREAT that they aren't sporting American flags!

At least they are being HONEST about their allegiance.

Commie B@st@rds.

22 posted on 09/24/2001 10:48:47 AM PDT by MassExodus
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To: aculeus
If this is true, the Maggot $aggots at Di$ney are asking for bankrupcty!

Of course this has zero impact on our family. We have not watched Jennings or any ABC news for close to a decade! I watched clymer Maher for two programs during his vile defense of the Moniker Licker, X42. That was enough for me!

I email ABC daily begging them to keep Maher and Jennings on and to expand their time on tv. I tell the Maggots/$aggots at ABC that everytime these two world class left wing extremist clymers open their mouthes that two things happen. They drive away more viewers and then more advertisers! I hope they keep both on and often to destroy this left wing extremist hate America organization!

23 posted on 09/24/2001 10:49:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: aculeus
ABC will RIP after this debacle.
24 posted on 09/24/2001 10:49:28 AM PDT by RickyJ
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To: scooter2
Awwww Right, Awww Ready!

Who are the FReep targets de jour? (I rarely watch the A$$#0le Broadcasting Corp anymore)

25 posted on 09/24/2001 10:49:52 AM PDT by clee1
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To: scooter2
Want to post some email addresses? Since I never watch ABC I have no idea who their sponsors are.
26 posted on 09/24/2001 10:50:30 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: lawgirl
You posted, "THis really pisses me off. Well, no more ABC in this household---I might miss Spin CIty and Drew Carey, but the rest was trash anyway!"

Our tv would explode if anyone tunes into ABC. Hopefully the people in charge of Drew and the marine will move to Fox!

27 posted on 09/24/2001 10:51:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: aculeus
They shouldn't let anyone know how they feel about a cause? Sure couldn't tell that by election night coverage.
29 posted on 09/24/2001 10:52:22 AM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: aculeus
We could call it the Afghanistan Broadcasting Company, but that wouldn't be fair to the many Afghans who resist the Taliban regime.

That's saying something, when Afghanistan is more pro-American than a major American news network.

30 posted on 09/24/2001 10:52:44 AM PDT by 537 Votes
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To: AgThorn
There need not even be blood in the water anymore. A little corn syrup and
food dye is all it needs to stir a feeding frenzy.

This is getting ridiculous.

31 posted on 09/24/2001 10:52:46 AM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: aculeus
[This is something I just read on the web, and it's related to this thread. The author is Eric Alterman -- and I'm not posting the full article, in case this is one of those media outlets that forbids reprinting]:

Rush Limbaugh would have us believe that the pinkos have taken over our culture and are oppressing conservatives by mocking and excluding their views from the hegemonic liberal media. But even intelligent conservatives do not genuinely believe this. (Paging my main man again, Billy Kristol.) Indeed, if you think Jack Welch and Andy Lack over at NBC, Michael Eisner and David Westin at ABC, and Sumner Redstone and Andrew Heyward at CBS are secretly conniving to spread the gospel of world revolution, I'm afraid there is not much that can be done for you this side of electroshock.

Let us take the case that has been in the news lately, AOL Time Warner's CNN, which has recently been courting Limbaugh himself, and, according to rumor, the no-less-nutty Bill O'Reilly. The rap on CNN is that it leans too far leftward to attract the right-wing cable news audience that is rapidly falling into the lap of "fair and balanced" Fox News. Tom DeLay regularly refers to CNN as the "Communist News Network" and has suggested a Republican boycott of its programs. The network's new head, Walter Isaacson, recently made a high-profile diplomatic démarche to DeLay's minions, outraging Democrats and inspiring fears of future on-air suck-ups.

Perhaps CNN does see its financial salvation in becoming a kind of faux Fox. In the meantime, if CNN were really run by liberals--to say nothing of actual commies--we might hear a great deal more about Tom DeLay, for instance. How about a CNN special dealing with DeLay's pre-Congressional career as an exterminator, where he fought off three separate tax liens for failing to properly pay payroll and income taxes, and twice paid former business associates court-ordered settlements? Part two of the special might focus on DeLay family values. Where are the family values, a liberal CNN might ask, of a conservative leader who refuses to speak to his own 77-year-old mother and does not even invite her to the wedding of her granddaughter? A network that can milk Gary Condit's affairs for a billion consecutive hours should be able to find a few for a story this good.

More to the point, if CNN were actually a liberal station, it would employ genuine liberals to host its shows. (I hear that Jesse Jackson has a show, though nobody I have asked has ever seen it.) All right, Bill Press is a decent match for Tucker Carlson on Crossfire, albeit from a deep-inside-the-Beltway perspective. Al Hunt and Mark Shields also qualify as liberals by the conservative hegemonic standards of punditocracy discourse. But historically, no CNN "liberal" has proved an ideological match for the fire-breathing zealotry of the pro-fascist Pat Buchanan, the pro-McCarthy Robert Novak or even the charming apparatchik Mary Matalin. And what of the rest of the schedule--Is Larry King a liberal? Wolf Blitzer? Jeff Greenfield? Greta van Susteren? Howard Kurtz and Bernard Kalb? The only way to apply this honorable label to the likes of these nonideological, nonthreatening interviewers is to define the word "liberal" to mean "not obviously insane."

CNN counts as "liberal" only in a universe where conservative political hegemony is so strong that critics have lost the ability to think clearly about anything. CNN does not cover trade from the perspective of the antiglobalization movement.

It does not cover business from the perspective of the labor or environmental movements. It does not cover war from the perspective of the peace movement and it does not cover dictatorships (and illegal military occupations) from the perspective of their victims. It does not even cover George Bush from the perspective of the people who had their election subverted. Indeed, a recent study of the guests on Wolf Blitzer's Inside Washington recently found that the guests were more often Republican than Democrat, more often conservative than liberal. True, not all those who count as "conservative" are willing to go on record about Tom Daschle's supernatural satanic powers, but that's why we have Rush, Fox News, the Wall Street Journal editorial page, the Weekly Standard, the Washington Times, the New York Post, Matt Drudge, etc., etc.

32 posted on 09/24/2001 10:53:29 AM PDT by nicknack
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To: aculeus
Sell Disney stock!!!!!!!!!!!!
33 posted on 09/24/2001 10:55:00 AM PDT by boycott
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To: aculeus
Sell Disney stock!!!!!!!!!!!!
35 posted on 09/24/2001 10:55:36 AM PDT by boycott
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To: billbears
Parents called and said they were never watching the show again

Heh heh heh! The shows are boring, once you realize the plot twists always hinge on Political Correctness!

36 posted on 09/24/2001 10:55:49 AM PDT by 537 Votes
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To: aculeus
Simply an issue of advertising. By not wearing a US flag, it clearly points out to foreign agents that ABC folks are available to distort the news even more, if the price is right. If you are a Chinese agent, a North Korean agent, or just representing a new group bent on evil, and you've come to the US with a truck load of cash and want to bribe some media folks to go your way, what do you do? How do you differentiate among the presstitues? Sure, if you are a flaming leftist, ultra-left wing, commie, pinko, you go traditional, Don Rather, Charles Gordon, Maher, the usuals. But if your evil masters want a fresh approach, how do you select? With all those flag lapel pins, how does a thug pick the one for the bribe? Well, the sound business response to to differentiate yourself from your compeitors by being different, you DON'T wear a flag pin in your lapel.
37 posted on 09/24/2001 10:56:57 AM PDT by Tacis
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To: Smittyat90210
NBC's Tim Russert was passionate this morning on the Don Imus program in defending the right of reporters to wear such symbols and declaring that his patriotism trumped all that crap about the sacredness of journalists' independence.

I've got to disagree... ABC owns the shows, and can require or forbid whatever attire they want to have telecast. Russert has no "right" to violate their rules and keep his job. That being said, just because ABC has the right to make bone-headed decisions doesn't mean that I will ever view their shows again. (I'll only miss Monday Night Football and George Will on Sunday mornings)

38 posted on 09/24/2001 10:59:02 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: aculeus
"Especially in a time of national crisis, the most patriotic thing journalists can do is to remain as objective as possible," says spokesman Jeffrey Schneider. "That does not mean journalists are not patriots. All of us are at a time like this. But we cannot signal how we feel about a cause, even a justified and just cause, through some sort of outward symbol."

A cause???? Since when is the American Flag "a cause"?

When I started as a radio reporter in the 80's, I had moved from another state and needed to know things such as changing my driver's license, registering to vote, etc., etc. Everyone was real helpful with supplying me with information. Both the news director and the General Manager suggested that when I registered to vote, which they completely encouraged, that I register as a "decline." It is a designation no longer in existence as far as I know, but it meant you chose not to align with any particular party. At the time it made sense to me, as I was going to be doing all of the political coverage throughout the state

I truly appreciated the encouragement I got when I later learned that several of the other local media outlets DIScouraged their reporters from registering to vote at all.

This entire "arguement" over news people wearing a symbol of their country is anethma to me. And I think I have ranted enough so I will cease my rant.

39 posted on 09/24/2001 10:59:09 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: aculeus
But we cannot signal how we feel about a cause, even a justified and just cause, through some sort of outward symbol.

Truly, truly bizarre.

40 posted on 09/24/2001 10:59:29 AM PDT by KillerWabbit
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To: aculeus
No it's actually American Bastion of Communism.
41 posted on 09/24/2001 11:00:34 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa
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To: aculeus
Just goes to show that the standard, multi-national corporate view of loyalty doesn't involve or include nation-states, only the corporation itself. The multi-national corporation can't afford to tick off its non-American customers, regardless of where the corporate HQ might be located.
42 posted on 09/24/2001 11:00:38 AM PDT by CubicleGuy
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To: aculeus
I don't watch ABC. I haven't in years. I won't in the future as far as I know. This has no affect.
43 posted on 09/24/2001 11:02:57 AM PDT by stevem (semalone@worldnet.att.net)
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To: aculeus
Why do they call it the American Broadcasting Company?

They're simply holding off until they get their UN lapel pins around the time they change their name to WBC (the WORLD Broadcasting Company).

44 posted on 09/24/2001 11:04:40 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: aculeus
"Especially in a time of national crisis, the most patriotic thing journalists can do is to remain as objective as possible,"

After feeding us over 40 years worth of liberal propaganda?

After earning the name Anything But Clinton?

After destroying the reputation of FoodLion by creating a phony report?

After holding annually slanted hour long gun control reports and debates in which the anti-gun extremists were given the first, middle, and last word and outnumbered the pro-gun people by ten to one?

After banning the US flag using this phony "remain objective" excuse?

Remain objective? Yeah, right.

45 posted on 09/24/2001 11:05:34 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: aculeus
This is the ABC email link

This is the Disney investor page emailBut it is not currently operating, at least not for me.

46 posted on 09/24/2001 11:06:50 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: aculeus
I think the American Broadcasting Company must change their name, since their very name signifies a bias?????? This is wackie stuff here. I like when liberals clearly show how moronic their ideas really are.
47 posted on 09/24/2001 11:07:02 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: aculeus
Mulefritters!!!!!

We the people do not agree with this stupidity. Everyone... "object". Turn there station off 24/7 on going.

To me this is absurd. Brings to mind the line from the movie "Network". I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

Do we draw a line here?

48 posted on 09/24/2001 11:07:08 AM PDT by Countyline
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To: nicknack
"Is Larry King a liberal? Wolf Blitzer? Jeff Greenfield? Greta van Susteren? Howard Kurtz and Bernard Kalb? The only way to apply this honorable label to the likes of these nonideological, nonthreatening interviewers is to define the word "liberal" to mean "not obviously insane."

To each of these, I would say yes, they are liberal. Greenfield being, personally, an interesting exception (he seems more even-handed than the others). But note his background: From 1968-1970, he served as chief speechwriter for New York Mayor John V. Lindsay, and from 1967-68, he was a senate aide and speechwriter for Sen. Robert F. Kennedy.

Anyone working for RFK and Lindsay was certainly not "middle-of-the-road". When you add Russert, Stephanopoulous, Schieffer, to name a few, how do the liberals get away with so many political operatives in positions in the media? (RHETORICAL QUESTION).

49 posted on 09/24/2001 11:08:41 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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Gee, the networks all break out a ton of red, white, and blue come election time. Guess we're not afraid of offending anybody then, eh?
50 posted on 09/24/2001 11:10:13 AM PDT by alancarp
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