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The 2 Worlds of Muslim-American Teenagers
The New York Times ^ | October 7, 2001 | SUSAN SACHS

Posted on 10/07/2001 5:15:59 AM PDT by sarcasm

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An Uneasy Tolerance

One American Muslim's view of how forces of hatred find a home in otherwise beneficent mosques and Islamic centers

by Mustafa Saied
special to MSNBC.com

Oct. 3 — Ever since America was attacked Sept. 11 by suspected Muslim extremists, there has been a remarkable emphasis on displaying tolerance and understanding towards Muslims living and practicing their faith in the United States. As Americans are called to show respect towards Arabs and Muslims in their midst, it is only fair that the American Muslim community take an introspective look at their own action.

THOUGH THERE ARE many sincere and observant Muslims in America, it is also a fact that in mosques, Islamic centers and Muslim student associations in this country that are funded by extremist factions in Saudi Arabia, anti-American sentiments are commonly intertwined with religious teaching.

As a longtime member of the American Muslim community, I have a unique perspective on this. Born in India, I came to the United States on a student visa. Though the adjustment was easy because it had always been my dream to live here, during my college years I became involved with some extremist Muslim groups. I must admit that some of my conversations on campus were quite insensitive and hateful towards the United States and western civilization as a whole.

I left those ideas behind years ago, when I was fortunately convinced by some friends that these extremist teachings are alien to Islam. Now, as an American resident, I feel it is time to call attention to what goes on inside some Islamic organizations in the United States that function as enclaves of extremism.

RIDICULE AND SUSPICION
Anti-Americanism takes many forms, from a general suspicion of all things non-Muslim to the ridicule of American values and culture, to, in the most extreme cases, outright statements of hatred couched in the language of religion.

In some Muslim communities, it is not unusual for non-Islamic religious or cultural observances to be ridiculed. I have attended Friday congregational prayers in the week before Christmas, Halloween or Thanksgiving in which the sermons are marked with sarcastic references to American religious and cultural practices. This strikes me as hypocritical, especially considering that greetings on the Muslim Eid holidays from non-Muslims are received with pride, but members of most mosques are forbidden to acknowledge their neighbors’ celebration of Christmas or return a holiday greeting.

Parents are increasingly encouraged to send their children to Islamic schools because of a rising sentiment in the American Muslim community that the nation’s public schools are not safe, that they teach anti-Islamic subject matter and that their children are better off surrounded by Muslims rather than non-Muslims. I have not known any of these Islamic schools to encourage or practice the reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance, so I still fail to see how patriotism is in any way condoned, inculcated or preserved in the minds of our children.

The most extreme manifestation of anti-American sentiment is in the handful of mosques, Islamic centers and student groups that are controlled by forces that display a particularly venomous hatred towards the Western society. The teachings of religious experts — ancient ones, like Ibn Taymiyyah, a Saudi scholar of the 13th and 14th centuries — or recent leaders like Saudi Sheikh Albany or Abdul Wahhab are notable for their harsh rulings and strong words against non-Muslims.

SPORTS IN THE SPOTLIGHT
Much of this anti-American sentiment takes place out of sight, cloaked in language most Americans cannot understand and in communal religious activities that take place outside the mainstream. But sometimes it comes to the surface. A few years ago, for instance, when the media focused on basketball star Mahmoud Abdul Rauf’s refusal to stand during the singing of the national anthem, Rauf, then a player on the Denver Nuggets, received a great deal of public support from the American Muslim community.

It’s hard to say exactly why Rauf’s co-religionists rallied to his cause: was it because a Muslim sports hero caught in a controversy deserved unconditional Muslim support? Or was it that these Muslims — many of whom carry American passports — felt the American national anthem did not deserve respect? In the end, Rauf came to terms with the issue by agreeing to stand, but silently pray, during the playing of the national anthem. In the aftermath of Sept. 11, I wonder how many American Muslims now regret their involvement in this cause.

FLAGS AND PASSPORTS
A prevailing argument among some Muslim critics is that the American flag stands for the various oppressions and injustices of American foreign policy. But if the American flag is problematic for some American Muslims, what does holding an American passport represent? If they feel so strongly about it, shouldn’t these critics be turning in their passports?

Muslims living in this country and enjoying its freedoms should stop tolerating hate-filled speeches against the West in its centers and houses of worship. Now is the time to discourage anti-social elements within the Islamic centers and mosques. It is not enough for people to simply say that they do not agree with extremist rhetoric. Individuals have a responsibility to voice their concerns and put the pressure on the community to stop tolerating it.

And, if it comes to this, Muslims of good will should be ready to report extremists in their midst to the proper authorities, if they do not tone down their rhetoric — no matter how pious these extremists may claim to be. We cannot let the brotherhood of religion outweigh the security of our country and the responsibilities we have as American citizens.

Introspection is never really painless. The time has come to step up.

Mustafa Saied wrote this commentary for MSNBC.com

41 posted on 10/07/2001 7:05:46 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: Let's Roll
And what do you wanna bet that legal Islamic immigration to the US is still running at max?

Of course it is. They want out of their sh**hole Muslim nations and into the USA/ Canada/ Australia/ Europe. Once here they set up their own little colony with their own world view. Not all Muslims do this but way over 50% do. I would ban all Muslim immigration to the West. 

The Muslim numbers in France are bloody frightening!

42 posted on 10/07/2001 7:07:22 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: isthisnickcool
I highly urge you to read the Koran and learn the best kept secret from the very source.

Americans need to know what they are up against.

43 posted on 10/07/2001 7:07:31 AM PDT by kosta50
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To: BunnySlippers
Read post #41
44 posted on 10/07/2001 7:08:03 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: kosta50,chatham
Read post #41
45 posted on 10/07/2001 7:08:53 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: sarcasm
I want these idiots out of my country. I don't care if they are "kids".

They're over here in OUR country enjoying OUR freedoms, services, benefits and education, but can't distinguish murderers who hide behind Islam? These people are incapable of discernng truth and logic. Unbelievable and unforgivable!
46 posted on 10/07/2001 7:09:09 AM PDT by demkicker
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To: BamaCharm
Read post #41
47 posted on 10/07/2001 7:10:48 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: GuillermoX
Checkout post #41
48 posted on 10/07/2001 7:12:02 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: sarcasm
The anecdotal evidence like this article all points to the truth that Islam is incompatible with the national security interests of the United States of America.

Non-citizens need to be sent home along with their brood.

49 posted on 10/07/2001 7:12:03 AM PDT by father_elijah
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To: areafiftyone
I sense that these kids are starting to become anti-american.

You're right!!! That's the intent by the Islamic Radical Clerics. We should not allow people in our country that would not bear arms and fight for our way of life. Read post #41

50 posted on 10/07/2001 7:13:51 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: Gracey
Great Post! When is America going to drop its foolish practice of trying to appease these people - many of whom identify with our enemies?
51 posted on 10/07/2001 7:15:18 AM PDT by BamaCharm
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To: demkicker
These people are incapable of discernng truth and logic. Unbelievable and unforgivable!

They're being brainwashed, just like our liberal, leftist teachers. We're getting it from all sides. The Radical clerics want them to turn against our country. Send the Clericl home. Read post #41

52 posted on 10/07/2001 7:15:47 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: BamaCharm
Who in the media has the guts to ask these questions of Islamic Clerics and the liberal left?

Read post #41. There's one muslim who spoke out - and the ONLY one so far as I know.

53 posted on 10/07/2001 7:17:22 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: BamaCharm
You got it right!!! We have our leftist teachers in government schools and now these radicals in our midst that are moving here like flies. I think they want to take over our country. The communists said we'd be taken from within and they're correct, except it's by our own leftists and the Radical Muslim Clerics.
54 posted on 10/07/2001 7:19:13 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: sarcasm
The students also said the Koran, which Muslims consider the literal word of God, provides a perfect blueprint for their lives. Their ideal society would follow Islamic law and make no separation between religion and state.

This is their perfect blueprint:

Medina Suras
The Chapter of Women
[Chapters from the Koran]
The Harvard Classics 1909–14

But if there befalls you grace from God, he would say—as though there were no friendship between you and him—‘O would that I had been with thee to attain this mighty happiness!’ Let those then fight in God’s way who sell this life of the world for the next; and whoso fights in God’s way, then, be he killed or be he victorious, we will give him a mighty hire.

What ails you that ye do not fight in God’s way, and for the weak men and women and children, who say, ‘Lord, bring us out of this town 19 of oppressive folk, and make for us from Thee a patron, and make for us from Thee a help?’

Those who believe fight in the way of God; and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Tâghût; fight ye then against the friends of Satan, verily, Satan’s tricks are weak.

Do ye not see those to whom it is said, ‘Restrain your hands, and be steadfast in prayer and give alms;’ and when it is prescribed for them to fight then a band of them fear men, as though it were the fear of God or a still stronger fear, and they say, ‘O our Lord! why hast thou prescribed for us to fight, couldst thou not let us abide till our near appointed time?’ Say, ‘The enjoyment of this world is but slight, and the next is better for him who fears;’—but they shall not be wronged a straw.

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Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too flee in God’s way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor help,—save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an alliance—or who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from fighting you or fighting their own people. But had God pleased He would have given you dominion over them, and they would surely have fought you. But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you peace,—then God hath given you no way against them.

Ye will find others who seek for quarter from you, and quarter from their own people; whenever they return to sedition they shall be overturned therein: but if they retire not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them;—over these we have made for you manifest power.


55 posted on 10/07/2001 7:20:57 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: kosta50
Mark for further study.
56 posted on 10/07/2001 7:21:28 AM PDT by DonnerT
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To: SlickWillard
Also read post #41
57 posted on 10/07/2001 7:25:09 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: Gracey
Thank you for your article by Mr. Saied in your reply #41. It gives me a little hope for the future.

Also I wonder if the New York Times(the publisher of the main article of this thread) would print Mr. Saied's article. I highly doubt it though.

IMHO, the New York Times is secretly rooting for these Islamic kids, since they both seem to share a deep hatred for America.

58 posted on 10/07/2001 7:31:02 AM PDT by Dane
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To: politeia
I think the conclusions are clear. If and when Muslims are in the majority, they will use the power of the vote to conform our laws with Islamic law.

I never thought I could ever favor genocide. However, if a Muslim majority should come to power in this country, it would be necessary to implement a "final solution" and extirpate them from the gene pool!

59 posted on 10/07/2001 7:31:23 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
"Notably absent from this piece is any shock or horror from these young people at the senseless slaughter of thousands of innocent human beings (many Muslim) on September 11th."

YES! THANK YOU for saying that! Not only did I notice that absence in this article, but in numerous other articles and TV interviews with Muslims that I have seen since 9/11. Muslims seem far more concerned about prejudice, discrimination and racial profiling against themselves than with speaking out against the slaughter. And that concerns me.

60 posted on 10/07/2001 7:39:22 AM PDT by Nea Wood
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