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The 2 Worlds of Muslim-American Teenagers
The New York Times ^ | October 7, 2001 | SUSAN SACHS

Posted on 10/07/2001 5:15:59 AM PDT by sarcasm

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To: Conservative til I die
If Muslims as a majority religion want to rule using Islamic law, then that's what they are going to do. I don't think its neccessarily right, but that is the way the world works.

A major purpose of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is to protect minorities against the tyranny of the majority. If a Muslim government oppresses non-Muslims, it is the right and duty of the oppressed to protect themselves — by force and violence if necessary! For instance, if an Afghan woman unhappy about being forced to wear the burka were to blow out Mullah Omar's brains, she should be regarded as a hero, not a criminal.

61 posted on 10/07/2001 7:45:24 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Dane
Thanks. I wish we could get this guy on National TV. We need more of his ilk. The Islamic radicals are probably now looking for his head, as they did with Salman Rushie(sp).
62 posted on 10/07/2001 7:46:09 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: Nea Wood
Read post #41
63 posted on 10/07/2001 7:46:47 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: cynwoody
Read post #41
64 posted on 10/07/2001 7:47:32 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: politeia
"that American Muslim's generally lack a belief in and support for the American political creed "

After working with a number of Muslims I have to agree with this statement. I know some nice ones and somme rabidly anti-american ones. Funny thing was that some of the most anti-american ones I know were also the ones that got the massive citizenship giveaway Clinton expedited. Their hate for jews is inbred and a part of their core.

65 posted on 10/07/2001 7:53:44 AM PDT by blackbag
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To: Gracey
This should have a thread of its own. If this author's attitude were reflected in the Muslim community in general, it would go light years toward easing suspicions between Americans and Muslims. But this guy seems to be the exception, not the rule.

If what he's saying is true, then no-one who distrusts Muslims is doing so without logical cause. In fact, those who would deny the hostility are living an insanity.

66 posted on 10/07/2001 7:55:35 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: sarcasm
"Isn't it ironic that the interests of America are always against what Muslims want?" said Fami Fozi, a 17-year-old student who said he would rather go to jail than fight in the United States Army against Muslims.

...Their ideal society would follow Islamic law and make no separation between religion and state.

In the meantime, they said, they want to become doctors and lawyers and teachers in the United States.

...Their comments are similar to those posted by Muslim Americans on the numerous Internet chat rooms and message boards about Islam, and their outlook is similar in some ways to that of other newcomers.

...the United States is to blame for the ills of the Muslim world through its support of more secular Muslim rulers. Some of the students, for example, said they would support any leader who they decided was fighting for Islam.

Mr. Fozi, for instance, said that he would support any leader he determined to be an observant Muslim who is fighting for an Islamic cause, and that he would do so even if it meant abandoning the United States. "I would support him with my life," he said.

Fifth column, anyone?

67 posted on 10/07/2001 7:57:46 AM PDT by shezza
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To: Let's Roll
hundreds of Afghan refugees have entered the country, including more than 150 who arrived at JFK on a single plane last week.
68 posted on 10/07/2001 8:03:42 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: chatham
AMEN!! and DITTO!!
69 posted on 10/07/2001 8:06:06 AM PDT by Big Tex
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To: Gracey
I find this article shocking, but not surprising. Europe has had a 'muslim problem' for a long time and finally the same problems have started to come to the US.

Muslim education does not preach tolerance. The girls are taught nothing and the educational standards for males inferior. The males look at jews and christians with better education and jobs and are jealous. A typical victim mentality.

70 posted on 10/07/2001 8:09:22 AM PDT by oilfieldtrash
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To: IronJack
In fact, those who would deny the hostility are living an insanity.

Yes, I agree. It's called mind control, just the opposite of American value system. Why do their parents come here? It is not good when any group of people come to our country and do not wish to assimilate. They need to get rid of their foreign gear and become Americans or go home. We citizens need to take a stand. Enough is enough

71 posted on 10/07/2001 8:11:20 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: IronJack
Oh, by they way. I'm of Middle Eastern ancestry, 1st generation. My father constantly preached about the wonderful country this was, how fortunate we were to live in the USA, that no country in the world had the same freedoms, etc, adnauseum (or so I thought as a child). Now I understand what he meant.

He hung American flags in the house even though my mother spoke little English and he had a heavy accent. However, my parents were Christians.

72 posted on 10/07/2001 8:14:21 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: areafiftyone
Their parents are isolating them by sending them to an Islamic school to shield them from our American culture. I sense that these kids are starting to become anti-american.

For some reason, this reminds me of the old bumper sticker, "I survived Catholic School." Well, the nuns don't have anything on the mullahs. These kids will grow up and have to integrate with American society on a daily basis as they go through college and get jobs. Then they'll find out the truth.

Providing we don't let immigration get out of control, Arabs are likely to assimilate faster in US society than any other ethnic group, for the simple reason that their Old Ways are so out of whack.

The only thing that could spoil this would be for a Timothy McVeigh clone to go out and kill a bunch of Muslims. God help us, let's hope the FBI can prevent that.

73 posted on 10/07/2001 8:16:31 AM PDT by 537 Votes
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To: oilfieldtrash
A typical victim mentality

We're finally understanding what's happening around us. Maybe our citizens will finally wake up. It's hard to accept people who come to this country and don't wish to assimilate.

74 posted on 10/07/2001 8:16:40 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: 537 Votes
How about we ship all of them out of here, those that are not citizens, and those that don't show allegiance to our country. Out with them. I have no more tolerance for their UnAmerican attitudes.
75 posted on 10/07/2001 8:18:17 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: Nea Wood
You are quite welcome.

I think Americans have been awakened to a very dark truth that underlies these attacks-These attacks may have been the work of an active few, but they are cheered by a very large world-wide group - many within our own borders and claiming to be American citizens.

This realization is good because before we can defeat an enemy, we must identify them.

There is no reason to mince words. Anyone who cheers the mass slaughter of innocents is not fit to cohabit a civilized world with people of peace and should be marked for destruction. If Muslims proclaim they cannot peacefully coexist in a world occupied by those of other faiths, they have condemned themselves by their own word as did Pharoah in the time of Moses. If they live by the sword, they shall die by it.

76 posted on 10/07/2001 8:18:54 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Nea Wood
Muslims seem far more concerned about prejudice, discrimination and racial profiling against themselves than with speaking out against the slaughter. And that concerns meRead It should concern us all. Wish their mosques had gotten hit by a few steel beams. See post #41 And you'll understand why.
77 posted on 10/07/2001 8:21:30 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: sarcasm
Yeah, they are here to gain, as the world calls it, our "backward education" and then they stay gain some of our wealth for themselves, then seek to destroy us from within.

If you claim America as your home, and yet you will not fight against a "muslim" nation, then in my view, you should leave.

Send the whole lot of them back to the tent they came from.

78 posted on 10/07/2001 8:22:23 AM PDT by Florida native
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To: sarcasm
"Maybe," he said, after recounting the number of calls from the neighborhood expressing good will, "we are too paranoid."

A small step in the right direction.

79 posted on 10/07/2001 8:23:36 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: Gracey
Now is the time to discourage anti-social elements within the Islamic centers and mosques.

Yes it is up to Muslims now to make some serious reforms in that religion. Other religions have split apart over far far less. As it stand right now, bin Laden and the mass murderers are every bit as Muslim as the ones claiming to be peace-loving and tolerant. They can say the extremists aren't "true" Muslim but in reality they are.

80 posted on 10/07/2001 8:29:27 AM PDT by FITZ
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