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HEARTLAND CONSPIRACY
LA Weekly | September 28, 2001 | JIM CROGAN

Posted on 10/07/2001 6:35:54 PM PDT by Wallaby

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HEARTLAND CONSPIRACY
JIM CROGAN
LA Weekly; News; Pg. 15
September 28, 2001, Friday


It is obvious material for conspiracy buffs: Did Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols really act alone, or was some larger terrorist outfit behind the April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building?


According to a motion filed by McVeigh's defense team, an American fitting Nichols' description met with Yousef in 1992 or 1993 in the Philippines.
In Oklahoma City, an investigative reporter began asking the question long before the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Jayna Davis, in a series that aired on KFOR-TV in 1995, examined the possible existence of John Doe No. 2, a man witnesses saw with McVeigh outside the federal building moments before the bomb went off, killing 168 people. Her reports also raised questions about the purpose of several trips Nichols made to the Philippines, into areas in which terrorists linked to Osama bin Laden were known to hide out. Davis herself no longer freely talks about her work. She has been sued by a subject of her reports and advised by her attorneys not to grant interviews. Earlier this year, however, she appeared on Fox Network's The O'Reilly Factor and spoke at length about her investigation: "And what we discovered, an intelligence source at one of the highest levels in the federal government later confirmed, was a Middle Eastern terrorist cell living and operating in the heart of Oklahoma City . . . We have (22) sworn witness affidavits that tie seven to eight Arab men to various stages of the bombing plot . . . It really is a foreign conspiracy masterminded and funded by Osama bin Laden, according to my intelligence sources."

McVeigh went to his grave denying any foreign involvement in the bombing. His accomplice, Terry Nichols, swore they acted alone, and no proof of a wider plot ever surfaced.

The arrests of McVeigh and Nichols came quickly and closed the case for many. Less than two hours after the bombing, a state trooper stopped McVeigh's 1977 Mercury Marquis 80 miles from Oklahoma City because it was missing a license plate. Two days later, Nichols, who was at his Kansas farm on the day of the bombing, surrendered to police.

Minutes after the bombing, however, police radios carried a description of a brown Chevrolet pickup with "two Middle Eastern men" inside seen speeding away from the federal complex. A short time later and without explanation, police withdrew the all-points bulletin. The mystery over the truck became the starting point for Davis' investigation.

Davis found people in Oklahoma City who said they remembered seeing McVeigh meet with several men they describe as Middle Eastern in the months before the bombing. She also uncovered confidential warnings that a congressional task force issued about a possible Islamic-fundamentalist terror attack on "America's heartland" one month before the Oklahoma bombing.

Davis, in her early reports, makes it clear she is not certain of a connection between McVeigh and any terrorist group. And certainly witnesses were primed to view anyone who looked suspicious as "Middle Eastern" in the hours right after the bombing. What Davis wants, she said, is a full federal inquiry into the matter. One big-name lawyer trying to get such an investigation rolling is David Schippers, former chief counsel to the House of Representatives managers who conducted Bill Clinton's impeachment trial. "I've been practicing law for 40 years, and I know what bullshit is," said Schippers. "Jayna gave me a stack of affidavits, signed by credible witnesses, connecting McVeigh to Middle Easterners living in Oklahoma City. She also gave me a ton of supporting documents. I've reviewed this material, and I'm convinced there are solid leads here that need to be investigated."

Schippers said he is trying to get the material to U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft. "I made some calls, but no one would give me the time of day," he said. "I tried like hell to get to Ashcroft, but I just couldn't break through." He said he has not given up, but would not disclose his plans to get a full airing for Davis' findings.

The reports, which aired on KFOR in the months after the Oklahoma City bombing, are based on witness statements, court records, government documents and unnamed sources. A federal court order dismissing a lawsuit filed against Davis mentioned several of her findings, which include:

It is not clear how or whether all of this adds up. Davis has struggled to get the results of her investigation to the public. Twice, she has been sued for libel and defamation, in state and federal courts, by Al-Hussaini, who stepped forward on June 15, 1995, and said that he was living in fear since KFOR and Davis fingered him. He said he was at work when the bombing occurred and denied knowing McVeigh. The federal judge who dismissed his lawsuit said Al-Hussaini's claim that he was at work at the time of the bombing was false.

Nineteen months after Al-Hussaini sued in state court, he dropped his lawsuit. Davis said the legal pressure led KFOR to halt airing new material from her bombing investigation. In 1996, Palmer Communications sold the station to the New York Times Co., which was not interested in pursuing the story, Davis said. On March 3, 1997, she resigned.

In September 1997, Davis was subpoenaed by the Oklahoma County grand jury, which was looking into the possibility of conspirators in the bombing. Davis gave the jury all of her witness statements. The next day, Al-Hussaini refiled his libel suit in federal court, and two months later, it was dismissed. U.S. District Judge Tim Leonard said that Davis' reports are either true or statements of opinion. Al-Hussaini appealed, and a hearing was held this month, but no ruling has been made.

For years, the FBI has refused to comment on Davis' report. This week, the response was no different when the agency was contacted by the L.A. Weekly. Davis has tried twice, with the permission of her sources, to deliver the 22 witness affidavits to the FBI office in Oklahoma City. In 1997, agents said her lawyers needed to first contact federal prosecutors. Her attorney, Tim McCoy, said federal prosecutors rejected the offer, saying they would have to release the documents to McVeigh's and Nichols' defense teams if they accepted them. In 1999, Davis and another attorney who represented her, Dan Nelson, met with Agent Dan Vogel and got him to accept the documents. He, in turn, gave them to the FBI task force investigating the bombing. "However, I was told we gave the affidavits back to her because there was some question of ownership -- whether she or KFOR had legal rights to the material," said Vogel, who has since retired. Asked whether he thought it was odd that the FBI would reject potential leads, Vogel would only say, "That was a decision made by people above me."

Davis can't figure out why the FBI refuses to examine her material. "They had hundreds of agents on this case," Davis told Bill O'Reilly. "Why wouldn't they want to take information from a reporter who had sworn witness statements implicating . . . others in the Oklahoma City bombing?"



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1 posted on 10/07/2001 6:35:54 PM PDT by Wallaby
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To: uncle bill; nita nupress; thinden; superluminal; freee; flanew; fred mertz
BTTT
2 posted on 10/07/2001 6:41:19 PM PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Wallaby
"Her attorney, Tim McCoy, said federal prosecutors rejected the offer, saying they would have to release the documents to McVeigh's and Nichols' defense teams if they accepted them."

If it was so important, and the FBI refused, why didn't she just give the statements to the defense teams?

3 posted on 10/07/2001 6:42:01 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Wallaby
Why wouldn't they want to take information from a reporter who had sworn witness statements implicating . . . others in the Oklahoma City bombing

Their own files would indict them for killing McVeigh too early and failing to act on substantive leads in the "anti-terrorism" campaign they elected to shunt instead toward measures as included in the omnibus Package for the People?

4 posted on 10/07/2001 6:42:57 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Nita Nupress;OKCSubmariner;honway;thinden;rdavis84;independentmind,golitely;BlueDogDemo;SKYDRIFTER
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A CLOSE-UP LOOK AT TERRORIST LEADER
Kevin Flynn and Lou Kilzer, News Staff Writers
Rocky Mountain News (Denver, CO) LOCAL; Pg. 16A
September 15, 2001 Saturday Final Edition


Osama bin Laden, the key suspect in this week's devastating terrorist attacks, has been at war with the United States for years.


It was in Davao, Mindanao, in 1992 that an Abu Sayyaf infiltrator for the Filipino government claimed that an "American farmer" met with Abu Sayyaf and Ramzi Yousef to discuss terrorism against the U.S.
Now, America is preparing to join that war.

In bin Laden, President Bush and his military strategists face a foe whose stated goal is to establish a Muslim-ruled society in the Middle East.

The society that bin Laden hopes to create, by eradicating current national boundaries and expelling Jews and westerners,would be a stateless theocracy ruled by a caliph, or direct successor to Muhammad as the earthly and spiritual head of Islam.

Bin Laden, who is in his mid-40s, is one of 50 children of a Saudi billionaire. He has used his wealth to train and deploy a shadowy network of Islamic militants in his war against America. And he has spread destruction throughout the world, from the streets of Mogodishu to a harbor in Yemen to a U.S. base in Riyadh. Bin Laden declared his war against Jews and westerners in 1996. Two years later, he broadened his declaration - or fatwa - to include a call for Islamic faithful to kill all Americans, military or civilian.

Bin Laden wasn't always at war with America. At one point, he was on the same side.

Americans in the military and intelligence communities are widely thought to have helped bin Laden during the Afghani struggle against the Soviet Union from 1979 to 1989.

But bin Laden - protected by a cadre of bodyguards armed with U.S.-made Stinger shoulder-fired missiles - now taunts the United States to try to stop him.

From one of his hideouts in Afghanistan, bin Laden told a reporter that members of his group "have seen in the past decade the decline of the American government and the weakness of the American soldier."

Among the cadre of Muslim terrorists coming under the umbrella of the bin Laden organization are several people incarcerated in Colorado's federal prison complex in Florence.

Ramzi Yousef, 32, the convicted mastermind of the first attempt to bring down the World Trade Center, a February 1993 truck bombing that killed six and injured more than 1,000, is serving his sentence in the federal Supermax prison.

Yousef was captured in 1995 in Pakistan in a safehouse linked to bin Laden. He had received money from a bin Laden relative. Prison officials denied the Rocky Mountain News' request to visit Yousef.

Federal investigators interviewed Yousef this week about the attacks on New York and Washington, D.C., but apparently learned nothing useful.

Bin Laden, who the state department says was born sometime near 1955, heads a terrorism network called al-Qaida, Arabic for "The Base."

Al-Qaida serves as a clearinghouse of sorts for a broad range of terrorism cells, all Islamic, in as many as 34 countries, according to terrorism researchers.

Up to 24 separate terrorist organizations are associated with al-Qaida, all operating in their own strictly secret environment and isolated from each other. Even cells within the organizations operate without direct contact with the others in order to cut down the chances for infiltration.

Al-Qaida in turn is part of a larger group in which bin Laden shares leadership. That group - The World Islamic Front for the Struggle Against the Jews and the Crusaders - serves as an umbrella organization covering several radical Islamic movements.

Said to control $300 million from family businesses, bin Laden's biography is shot through with holes and contradictions.

This much is clear:

He was one of dozens of children of Saudi construction billionare Muhannad bin Laden. Some accounts have him living an ordinary life until the former Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979. Other accounts have him partying hard in Beirut until that city was engulfed in civil war in the mid-1970s.

Whatever the case, the Afghan war with the USSR turned bin Laden into a hard and dangerous man.

He established a recruiting outfit called Maktab al-Khidamat, or Services Office. It helped to build infrastructure in Afghani-held areas, and brought the Islamic faithful from many lands - including the U.S. - to be fighters against the Soviets.

And that might not have been his only connection to the U.S. Bin Laden received training and resources from the CIA, which poured more than $3 billion into the effort to oust the Soviets from Afghanistan, according to the New York Times and the BBC.

The Soviet Union broke apart later, a process bin Laden believes will happen to U.S. global interests as well.

Bin Laden formed al-Qaida in 1988 from the remnants of the Afghani resistance fighters.

He also ran the Jihad Committee, a body that the state department says includes the Egyptian Islamic Group, the Jihad Organization in Yemen, the Pakistani al-Hadith group, the Lebanese Partisans League, the Libyan Islamic Group, Bayt al-Imam Group in Jordan and the Islamic Group in Algeria.

Returning to Saudi Arabia following the Afghan war, bin Laden was outraged because the regime had hosted U.S. troops during the war. Under western pressure, bin Laden was forced out, disowned by many in his large extended family, and relocated to the Sudan in 1991.

The Saudi government stripped him of citizenship in 1994, accusing him of supporting terrorists.

Taking his wives and a band of about 200 followers, bin Laden set up companies and agricultural businesses in Khartoum, Afghanistan.

Some of the bin Laden factories helped provide work for the unemployed from the Afghan war. He imported heavy equipment to build infrastructure for Sudan as well as training camps for Afghan vets.

In the Sudan, bin Laden owned a sunflower plantation, a bank, a goat skin factory, a construction company and an international trading business.

His construction company helped to build an airport at Port Sudan and a 750-mile highway from Khartoum to Port Sudan.

In 1996, under increasing U.S. pressure on the Sudanese government, bin Laden moved to Afghanistan with his organization.

Despite his wealth, bin Laden sometimes lives in an Afghani cave and eats gritty bread, cheese and tea.

Even so, visitors report that he directs al-Qaida's activities through laptop computers, e-mail, satellite telephones and other modern technologies.

The coordination extends from attacks in New York to Mindanao Island in the Philippines, where Muslim fighters in groups such as the Abu Sayyaf Group seek independence from Manila.

It was in Davao, Mindanao, in 1992 that an Abu Sayyaf infiltrator for the Filipino government claimed that an "American farmer" met with Abu Sayyaf and Ramzi Yousef to discuss terrorism against the U.S.

The infiltrator, a Filipino agent named Edwin Angeles, later said he believed it was Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols, who visited the Philippines several times and married a Filipina.

Nichols' attorneys called the report worthless, dredged up by bomber Timothy McVeigh's defense team to deflect blame.

Nevertheless, it is known that Nichols was in his wife's hometown of Cebu City in late 1992 when Yousef flew there from Manila and planted a liquid chemical bomb under a passenger seat in a Philippines Airlines 747 bound for Tokyo.

The bomb went off enroute to Japan and killed a Japanese man seated there. The plane landed safely. U.S. authorities claimed during Yousef's trial that it was part of the planning for an ambitious conspiracy to blow a dozen American jumbo jets out of the skies on the same day.


5 posted on 10/07/2001 6:44:00 PM PDT by Wallaby
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Nah, couldn't be… There wasn't a Newsweek Cover titled: "Why does Timothy hate us so much?
6 posted on 10/07/2001 6:45:48 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Askel5; Jim Robinson
Hey A5. I was just going to check how I did text boxes on "Is the Blood Trade Responsible for the Origin of Aids?" and it is 404'd again. What gives?
7 posted on 10/07/2001 6:48:57 PM PDT by Wallaby
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To: Wallaby
Bump!
8 posted on 10/07/2001 6:50:24 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: Wallaby
It's too late to unravel the true story of OKC now. Too many people have put their reputations on the line. Too many FBI agents were complicit. Too many news reporters and editors are complicit.

The clinton years were unspeakably horrible--not just for what clinton did, but for what the media and the politicians were willing to defend, and the voters to vote for.

Pray God it never happens again.

9 posted on 10/07/2001 6:50:26 PM PDT by Cicero
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INFOBOX (1)

TERROR LINKED TO BIN LADEN

1992: Three bombings in Yemen targeting U.S. troops.

1993: World Trade Center truck bombing, killing six and injuring 1,000.

1993: 18 U.S. soldiers killed, their bodies dragged through the streets.* Mogadishu, Somalia.

1994: Plot to kill Pope John Paul II in the Philippines.

1994: Conspiracy to bomb 12 U.S. jets simultaneously over the Pacific Ocean.

1995: Bombing of U.S. training mission in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, killing five Americans.

1995: Attempted assassination of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

1995: Plot to kill President Clinton during his visit to Phillipines.

1996: Truck bombing at U.S. base in Al-Khobar, Saudi Arabia kills 19 soldiers.

1998: Attacks on U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania kill at least 301 and injure more than 5,000.

1999: Plot to attack U.S. and Israeli tourists in Jordan for millennium celebrations.

2000: Suicide bomb attack on the destroyer USS Cole in Yemen, killing 17 American sailors and injuring 39.

INFOBOX (2)

What drives terrorists?

A fundamental belief that the Muslim world is being desecrated by governments of the U.S. and Israel, and even Muslim states such as Egypt and Jordan. While the roots can be traced to perceived slights dating to the 12th century, resolve was solidified by events of the 1970s: growing Western economic influence in the Mideast; Israeli military triumphs, and U.S. pro-Israeli support; and the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

Terrorist leader Osama bin Laden is particularly incensed by the presence of American troops in Saudia Arabia, a Muslim holy place and the birthplace of the prophet Muhammad.

An all-consuming goal to establish a pan-Islamic religious movement and to expel from Muslim areas Westerners, non-Muslims and Muslim leaders believed to have deviated from fundamental Muslim beliefs.

A religious fervor that supercedes all concerns, including political. Many terrorists come from villages torn by religious violence. Retribution provides a cause that gives clarity and purpose, according to international experts.

10 posted on 10/07/2001 6:50:39 PM PDT by Wallaby
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To: Cicero; Fred Mertz; shortimer
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Connection between Nichols, global terrorists alleged McVeigh's defense floated the theory that could come up in second bomb trial
Kevin Flynn; Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer
Denver Rocky Mountain News LOCAL; Ed. F; Pg. 5A
June 19, 1997, Thursday


Did Terry Nichols meet with international terrorists in the Philippines?


But McVeigh investigators turned up an alleged statement from Edwin Angeles, a jailed Filipino terrorist, that he met Nichols in 1992 or early 1993 at a meeting on the island of Mindanao. Also at the meeting, Angeles said, was Ramzi Yousef, the accused mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing.

That suggestion by Timothy McVeigh's defense team could be raised in the weeks leading up to Nichols trial, expected to begin in Denver after Labor Day.

McVeigh's defense tried to build a case that he was a fall guy for international terrorists. But Denver U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch barred such testimony from his trial, which ended Friday in a death sentence for the convicted Oklahoma City bomber. The murky questions of Nichols' travels to the Philippines - and whom he met with there - are not expected to become a major part of his trial.

For prosecutors, it opens a dark area in which the answers aren't yet clear. For the defense, it would drag Nichols deeper into allegations of a broad conspiracy.

Nichols' attorneys have said their client's only overseas link is his search for a mail-order bride in the Philippines.

But McVeigh investigators turned up an alleged statement from Edwin Angeles, a jailed Filipino terrorist, that he met Nichols in 1992 or early 1993 at a meeting on the island of Mindanao. Also at the meeting, Angeles said, was Ramzi Yousef, the accused mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing.

Angeles claimed the meeting centered on bombing activities, providing firearms and ammunition and training in bomb making, McVeigh's lawyers told the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in March.

Abdul Hakim Murad, Yousef's co-defendant in an airline bombing conspiracy trial in New York last year, allegedly told a jail guard on the day of the Oklahoma City bombing that the ''Liberation Army'' was responsible for it.

Investigators for McVeigh also claimed to have information that an arms dealer for the Moro National Liberation Front had visited Nichols in the Philippines. The Moro front is seeking autonomy for Mindanao under an Islamic government.

McVeigh's defense also noted that Nichols telephoned two members of the anti-government group Posse Comitatus in Kansas in 1994.

Members of that group had traveled to New York and met with an Iraqi diplomat around the time of the Gulf War in 1991.

The McVeigh defense wanted to build a case that the bombing could have been sponsored by a foreign state, possibly Iraq.

Dennis Mahon, an Oklahoma racist named by an informant as having discussed blowing up federal buildings before the bombing, admitted receiving regular payments from Iraqi sources for about four years. The payments ended a month after the bombing.

Nichols' attorney, Michael Tigar, has scoffed at any attempts to tie his client to the shadowy underground of terrorists hinted at by McVeigh's team.


11 posted on 10/07/2001 6:56:26 PM PDT by Wallaby
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But McVeigh investigators turned up an alleged statement from Edwin Angeles, a jailed Filipino terrorist, that he met Nichols in 1992 or early 1993 at a meeting on the island of Mindanao. Also at the meeting, Angeles said, was Ramzi Yousef, the accused mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing.

Angeles claimed the meeting centered on bombing activities, providing firearms and ammunition and training in bomb making, McVeigh's lawyers told the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in March.


PHILIPPINES
ZAMBOANGA -- Edwin Angeles, a former leader of the Muslim extremist group Abu Sayyaf who later became a government spy, was killed by a lone gunman in the southern Philippines, police said.

The Deseret News (Salt Lake City, UT)
January 15, 1999, Friday
WIRE; Pg. A04

12 posted on 10/07/2001 7:01:35 PM PDT by Wallaby
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To: Wallaby
Yeah, Timothy McVeigh was seen on the grassy knoll near Dealey Plaza in Dallas in November 1963..... I think he flew around the country in black helicopters. Probably he was present in Ford's Theater too. Sound like nonsense? No more nonsense than your post!!!Conspiracy nut, you are!
13 posted on 10/07/2001 7:04:43 PM PDT by Doctor Don
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To: Wallaby
Looks like the whole Box is kaput.

We'll do the Bloodhound thing again once we can rustle up a link to Osama, I guess.

14 posted on 10/07/2001 7:04:54 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Wallaby
I've always wondered about McVeigh's statements in those last few interviews when he said that he considered the innocent loss of life in Oklahoma City collateral damage but always regretted and was haunted by the Iraqi soldier he killed during the Gulf War. That sounds very strange.
15 posted on 10/07/2001 7:05:23 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Doctor Don
>Conspiracy nut, you are!

I've got news for you. We now live in the post-September 11 world. Now the nuts are the ones who deny there are conspiracies.

16 posted on 10/07/2001 7:11:35 PM PDT by Wallaby
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To: Wallaby
I still find it strange that -- just because commie terror and repression elected to go under cover of Islam as part of perestroika -- we're now comfy blaming everything on Osama the Mastermind who's singlehandedly taking on the West with a bunch of cats too stupid to understand their own religion.
17 posted on 10/07/2001 7:12:40 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Wallaby
Damn ... conspiracy's theory's finally cool and I'm still a geek for believing in commies.
18 posted on 10/07/2001 7:14:11 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Doctor Don
"...Yeah, Timothy McVeigh was seen on the grassy knoll near Dealey Plaza in Dallas in November 1963..... I think he flew around the country in black helicopters..."

LOL!

In virtually every case, the real truth is distinguished by two common themes...

1) It usually occupies a middle ground, somewhere between the most outrageous conspiracy theories and the moronic drivel that's spoon-fed to the public by the various powers that be.

And,

2) It seldom sees the light of day before decades have passed.

19 posted on 10/07/2001 7:15:25 PM PDT by DWSUWF
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Hey A5. I was just going to check how I did text boxes on "Is the Blood Trade Responsible for the Origin of Aids?" and it is 404'd again. What gives?

7 Posted on 10/07/2001 18:48:56 PDT by Wallaby
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