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Hmmmm

Not bad, but for the record, I don't believe the lovely and articulate Ms. Coulter badmouthed NRO, I believe she simply refrained from lying when asked a direct question.

Moreover, it would appear that she quite obviously never asserted that the first amendment had literally been repealed. She was referring to the hysteria over speech and said we are "repealing the 1st Amendment WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO PASS A LAW." Allowing the "girly boys" of NRO to tell manifest lies without correction must be enraging.

Here's the relevant portion of Politically Incorrect from 9/25/01:

Eric: But, Bill, I argue with you in the sense that people who wave the flag are not necessarily unaware of what it stands for.

Bill: Not necessarily, absolutely not.

Eric: I think most people who show the flag are very aware of what it stands for.

Ann: If I could get to the point Jerry and I are dying to get to. I mean, right now, they do seem to be forgetting part of what the flag stands for, and that is on this hysteria over speech. Whether it's Jerry Falwell giving straight Christian doctrine on the Christian broadcasting network or for you saying -- I have a loose-leaf binder on the things you should have gotten in trouble for saying on this show, and that's not it.

[ Laughter ]

And my column --

Paul: Now that you bring it up.

Ann: My column's been censored. I mean, without anyone noticing --

Bill: Your column has been censored?

Ann: Oh, absolutely, by "National Review," for using the phrase, "Swarthy males." I'm not making that up. I mean, this hysteria that no one's noticing --

Bill: It would apply to a lot of this panel.

Ann: People are afraid to say anything now. I mean, they're jumping on people. We're repealing the first amendment without a law.

Jerry: Everybody sitting up here tonight has a little voice in the back of his head saying, "Be careful." And you know what? I'm not used to that voice. And you're not used to that voice.

Bill: Certainly not up here.

Jerry: And if you keep listening to that voice, or you have to, then the Taliban won.

Bill: I have to take a break 'cause I got some now.

Bill: Jerry Nachman has a quote to end our show with.

Jerry: From Peter Arno who used to say, "Never attempt subtlety in an undeveloped nation." And I'm afraid, based on what I've seen happen to you and Ann, America may be coming an undeveloped nation.

Bill: All right.
Thank you, panel.
You were terrific.

[ Applause ]

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1 posted on 10/08/2001 2:47:14 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Doctor Raoul
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2 posted on 10/08/2001 2:50:30 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
Her second comment about "swarthy males" is certainly more controversial given that racial profiling is viewed as more heinous than pedophilia in most elite circles.

This line deserves repetition.

3 posted on 10/08/2001 2:54:45 AM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: Elle Bee
Who would have ever heard of Goldberg except for his mamma. He and NRO can go to hell for all I care. I will continue to follow Ann's outstanding writing.
5 posted on 10/08/2001 4:44:21 AM PDT by Cautor
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To: Elle Bee
Coulter has it. She's a straight shooter, entertaining, and a sharp dresser. Goldberg is getting body-slammed. LOL. First he promotes her editorials, highlighting their most controversial elements, and then he turns on her. It reminds people of the cowardly boss in "Bewitched". "You're doing a great job... You're fired!" And Coulter is having a fun time while he is taking Tums. I love it.

As for the points of argument, racial profiling on planes, paying special attention to swarthy males is clearly a good idea. And "converting people to Christianity" is a rather vague statement. "How?" is the question she should have been asked. That was a springboard statement, well planned but not backed up by her girly-boy editor. If he had stood by her, they both would have gained. "How do you convert them?" "Through Christian charity and missionaries, of course." "Oh. Ok."

6 posted on 10/08/2001 5:35:55 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Elle Bee
Jonah Goldberg was obviously raised by Lucianne.
8 posted on 10/08/2001 5:40:09 AM PDT by Osinski
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To: Elle Bee
"Girly-Boy"?? I don't know about that, but I'd certainly say that Richard Lowry certainly has the demeanor of a pussy. Now there is a guy who could have used four years in the service to toughen him up.
9 posted on 10/08/2001 5:40:33 AM PDT by Norwell
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To: Elle Bee
Posted here BY TLBSHOW

Cornell Review Slams GOLDBERG

11 posted on 10/08/2001 6:00:06 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Elle Bee
NRO, so unfailingly excellent, has lately featured a lot of tedious CATO choirboys delivering aca-speak. Coulter was a lively addition, will Derbyshire be the next casualty?
15 posted on 10/08/2001 6:13:30 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Elle Bee
Ann: People are afraid to say anything now. I mean, they're jumping on people. We're repealing the first amendment without a law.

Not according to a good many freepers. Shouting people offstage, threatening sponsors, and protesting with the intent to stifle speech is good if the right political side uses those tactics. Sorry Ann, here in freeperland, First Amendment violations only occur when it is the federal government applying pressure. Silencing people through means of the market is good (threatening boycots, etc), and if you cannot understand that you shouldn't be in the pundit business.

Oh yeah, /sarcasm.

17 posted on 10/08/2001 6:15:48 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Elle Bee
Thanks for the 'Politically Incorrect' transcript which clarifies Ann's remarks regarding the First Admendment.

As a fan of intelligent, pithy writing with a nice touch of irony (and occasional hyperbole) I'll stay with Ann Coulter. Jonah Goldberg can go pound sand. Cheesy arguments from NR/Goldberg and obviously a clash of egos - which Ann has won. Go Ann!

18 posted on 10/08/2001 6:24:19 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Elle Bee
Jonah Goldberg is disingenuous when he states that Ann Coulter is a bad writer and what is more, he knows it.... So why was Coulter really fired? Goldberg has been all over the place on this one.

I guess I'm a victim of cultural brainwashing, but this whole thing reads like "wimpy boss has hots for strong female employee and is pissed she doesn't return the sentiment." I have this creepy supsicion that Jonah has snapshots of Ann tacked up all over his bedroom...

19 posted on 10/08/2001 6:37:11 AM PDT by workerbee
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To: Elle Bee
I can't wait to see Ann on 'Celebrity Death Match' kick the snot out of the girly-boy.
21 posted on 10/08/2001 6:49:59 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Elle Bee
Could it be that he made a pass at her and she told him to get lost?

22 posted on 10/08/2001 7:03:09 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: Elle Bee
I like the fact that she has the balls to say things that other people are thinking but are afraid to say. This country has obviously become too accomodative to people that are not U.S. citizens. The argument against racial profiling is rediculous because you can't prove racial profiling unless there is a policy allowing racial profiling. All a cop has to say is the guy looked suspicious or the car looked suspicious. How do police get away with stopping traffic on a highway and checking every car for the possibility of drunk driving?
25 posted on 10/08/2001 7:37:38 AM PDT by culpeper
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To: Elle Bee
Personally, I wouldn't buy a used car from Jonah Goldberg.

Look up the word 'lightweight' in your Webster's...it's got Jonah's picture by the definition...

Ann Coulter, on the other hand, is a national treasure.

Her picture is in the dictionary too...next to the word 'moxy'.

27 posted on 10/08/2001 8:04:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Coulter
I think she's a lousy writer. Not because she writes badly, but because she doesn't do a good job of influencing opinions. She preaches to the converted. A truly gifted columnist can change opinions, or at least shift them. I agree with almost everything she writes, but so what? Her style alienates fence-sitters. Someone like Peggy Noonan, who is truly talented, can get people to reconsider their positions or view an issue in a different way.
29 posted on 10/08/2001 8:13:44 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Elle Bee
Elle Bee, Excellent analysis and commentary!
30 posted on 10/08/2001 8:17:23 AM PDT by patriot_wes
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