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Is Islam Violent?
Chuckmorse.com ^ | Oct. 11, 2001 | Chuck Morse

Posted on 10/11/2001 10:52:36 AM PDT by Chuckmorse

Is Islam Violent?

As Americans we are steeped in republican values such as limited government, individual rights, and a separation of church and state.
We traditionally view our neighbor with a live and let live attitude and, while we may not always approve, more often than not we tolerate our differences.
This is why, with all our imperfections, and God knows we have many, we somehow hold together as the most genuinely diverse society ever known to man.

As a result, we seem to have this almost myopic view of the rest of the world.
We assume that all faiths, political as well as religious, are like ours, which tends to involve a personal relationship with a God whom we look to as the creator of our natural sovereign rights.
We have trouble imagining a nation under the direct rule of clerics, or commissars, who interpret the will of God, or science, and use the muscular force of the state to carry out their interpretations.

Our nation was born after a bloody revolution against a tyrannical British monarch, King George III.
This experience imbued our founding generation with a respect for the sovereign rights of nations.
America has often championed the cause of independence from Latin America in the nineteenth century to Europe during the World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, and Kuwait.
We instinctively loathed European colonialism with its attempt to physically dominate the world.
Likewise, we as a people rejected the maniacal new world order visions of both Nazism and Communism.

While we’ve certainly had our share of imperialists operating in the inner reaches of our government and amongst a small segment of our most wealthy establishment, the American people have been notoriously opposed to world dominating schemes.
It has never been an element of our religious or political faith.
Our idea of utopia has always been to live in peace, under our proverbial fig tree, and leave our neighbor alone to peruse the same.
Jefferson expressed this best when he noted in the Declaration of Independence that the truths we hold to be self-evident are “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

The vast majority of Muslims who have settled in America have, thank God, adopted the same peaceful American faith that most of the rest of us have regardless of individual means of worshiping God or not worshiping as the case may be.
The same cannot be said of the nations of the world which are presently dominated by religious Muslims.
The religious Muslim movement, like Nazism and left-wing Communism before it, has seized the reigns of power in several sovereign states.
Like the Nazi’s and Communists, they are using that power to spread terror across the planet.

The citizens of these Islamic states chafe under the same type of brutal authoritarianism and one party religious dictatorship as Europeans suffered under Nazism or that Chinese, Cubans or North Koreans suffer under the brutal jackboot of left-wing Communism.
The mobs coursing through the streets of Islamic cities chanting anti-American slogans are the same as the Nazi brown shirts looting Jewish businesses during Kristalnacht or Communists burning and looting American inner cities during the summer of love.

Even though we may be loath to admit it, religious Islam clearly does contain seeds of violence of a type similar to that of its Nazi and Communist counterparts.
Like their counterparts, Islam advocates war, or Jihad, as a means of conquering the non-Islamic world.
Moderate Muslims have westernized the meaning of Jihad to mean peaceful personal struggle and this is a genuinely progressive development.
Like the Nazis and Communists, however, the religious Muslims believe that world peace and happiness will be obtained under what they maintain is the only true faith.
Like the Nazis and Communists, they believe that anything is permissible in the pursuit of this glorious goal including total subjugation of peoples and mass murder.

Chuck Morse Is the author of “Why I’m a Right-Wing Extremist” www.chuckmorse.com


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To: Chuckmorse
Is Islam violent? Do bears go poopy in the woodsies?
81 posted on 11/05/2001 9:28:44 AM PST by Capt.YankeeMike
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To: Austin Willard Wright
I am deeply pessimistic for the future. I suspect we'll see a continuing deterioration of relations between Islamic countries and the West. Eventual result may be a rise of a new "caliph" controlling Morrocco to Pakistan, including some nuclear weapons. if those are used against US or European cities, the PC gloves come off and the Middle East will be conquered and occupied. The oil-bearing areas will be (justifiably) annexed by the West and the Arabs can go back to being essentially irrelevant camel-jockeys.

I'm not in favor of this outcome. I just think it's likely.

A far better approach would be to develop energy sources that would free us of dependence on Middle East oil. Then we could tell the Arabs to go p*ss up a rope.

82 posted on 11/05/2001 8:54:30 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
bttt
83 posted on 11/05/2001 11:16:55 PM PST by timestax
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To: rightofrush
Look up reviews of Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War? by Vickto Suvorov, Soviet Staff Officer.

Yeah, sure, I'm supposed to take the word of some obscure Russian historian against the combined weight of all the other histories of WWII?  Pure revisionist claptrap as the following excerpt about Suvarov shows.

"Icebreaker" by Russian military historian Viktor Suvarov exposes this picture as
nonsense. This extensively researched piece of historical revisionism provides
compelling evidence that Operation Barbarossa was a reluctant pre-emptive
strike against a massive Soviet military machine poised to invade not just
Germany but the whole of Western Europe.
Hitler conducted a "reluctant pre-emptive strike" in June, 1941?  Give me a break.  It was his intention to grab everything east of Germany from the get-go and his constant yammering about about "Liebensraum" is a big fat clue.  Better get some tinfoil for a helmet.  It'll go nicely with your shirt.

 America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America -- here

 For better viewing download 8Mb file here

84 posted on 11/06/2001 2:48:07 AM PST by JCG
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To: KLT
> HERE'S A CALENDAR FOUND IN SOME MUSLIM SCHOOL IN HOLLAND, NOW DOES THIS LOOK VIOLENT...OH NO, NOT AT ALL!(SARCASM)

Re: #45:

This is the Arabic depiction of the EgyptAir crash which they exceedingly blame the US for.

85 posted on 11/06/2001 5:47:55 AM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: Restorer
Keeping the "ous" part, the word "zealous" would work in place of "religious".
86 posted on 11/06/2001 5:57:52 AM PST by Winged Elf
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To: Restorer
I am also pessismistic. There are no good answers. I do know one thing: Islam can only be changed from below through a cultural revolution. This could take hundreds of years. I also suspect that the rise of a unified Islam under a caliph is far more likely if we remain in the Middle East, than if we get out, after killing Bin Laden. Without a U.S. devil to focus on, the various Islamic groups are far more likely to continue with their fracturus ways.
87 posted on 11/06/2001 6:35:08 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Restorer
A far better approach would be to develop energy sources that would free us of dependence on Middle East oil. Then we could tell the Arabs to go p*ss up a rope.

We already have the sources:

ANWR

:

Let's get busy and start using them!

88 posted on 11/06/2001 7:31:44 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Chuckmorse
Every religion is violent. Look at history and see if you can find a major religion that has not used the sword to expedite conversion.

The problem is that when you think you have God on your side, all of a sudden the end justifies the means.

89 posted on 11/06/2001 7:36:29 AM PST by eFudd
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
These New Black Panthers are in uniform acting like bad a@@es. These brave punks need to go to Pakistan and fight with the taliban. They won't do it because they are cowards.
90 posted on 11/06/2001 7:47:27 AM PST by boycott
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To: boycott
These New Black Panthers Are just as bad as the old only now they are politically correct for the sharpies of 2001. Lest we forget, these were the same little pr*cks who armed and marched on Jasper, Texas in the wake of the dragging death of James Byrd.

Excerp from article:
Jasper officials and residents had feared the rally could become violent, as members of the New Black Panther Party had vowed to arm themselves and take up positions around town to protect Jasper's black residents.

Before the KKK rally began, members of the New Black Panther Party walked through Jasper's streets, chanting "black power" and warning of violence if there were problems for blacks.

Back to the Future:

Black Panthers: old v. young

London Sunday Times
16 March 1997

A BATTLE for the soul of America's black power movement is expected to come before the courts next month as young activists accuse their elders of going soft and betraying the cause of "power to the people". A group of young zealots has set up a rival Black Panther organisation called the New Black Panther party. They want to try to revive the radicalism of the 1960s, when the group struck terror into the hearts of white Americans and was described by J Edgar Hoover, the FBI chief, as "the greatest threat to the internal security of the United States".

The original Black Panthers, who took their ideology from Mao Tse-tung and Malcolm X but have since mellowed in their outlook, are suing the upstarts to prevent them from using the Panther name and logo of a pouncing panther. "The Black Panther Party Inc does not wish to be confused with the 'New Black Panthers', a group preaching racial division and the inappropriate use of arms to promote social change," said the lawsuit. A judge has ordered the new group to stop using the Panther name until the case is heard.

"I don't give a damn what judge issued an order," said Aaron Michaels, the 35-year-old leader of the new organisation. Michaels, who has led a series of high-profile, armed confrontations with the Texas authorities since last summer, said he believed the original group of Panthers was jealous of the new organisation's success. "We've garnered the attention of the establishment." He branded the original Panthers as "has-been wannabe Panthers", adding: "Nobody can tell us who we can call ourselves."

Michaels earned his revolutionary credentials after calling on blacks to use shotguns and rifles to protest against the chairman of a school board who had been secretly taped calling black students "little niggers".

A few weeks later, Michaels led a group of heavily armed Panthers to a black church near Dallas that had been burnt down. "You catch a cracker lighting a torch to any black church or any property of black people we are to send them to the cemetery," warned Khallid Muhammad, the controversial spokesman for the Nation of Islam, who had rushed to support Michaels and the new Panthers.

It was at this point that Fahim Minkah, leader of the Dallas branch of the original Panthers, initiated the lawsuit, accusing the new Panthers of "race-baiting and bully tactics".

"For these guys to walk around in their little berets and guns smacks us right in the face," said Charles Hillman, a member of the original Panther group. "These new groups are not consistent with what we were about," said David Hilliard, former chief of staff for the Panthers. "They are only spouting rhetoric."

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When was the last time you heard of Aaron Michaels?

BUT!:
Khallid Muhammad, who denied the existence of the Holocaust and has called New York, "Jew York City.", has just appeared on Hannity and Colmes in all his hatefulness in his brand new *uniform*, and he is to be watched...most definitely.

91 posted on 11/06/2001 8:59:25 AM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: x
Wealth and comfort do NOT make people decadent. Everyone has free will. People make themselves decadent. Apparently Islam is the blame the other guy religion. I'm sick of hearing about the poor oppressed Muslims. So far I have not seen or heard anything from them (fanatic,Moderate, etc etc) that makes their religion anything but evil incarnate in the world.
92 posted on 11/06/2001 9:10:13 AM PST by marty60
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To: JCG
I take it that you're convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman, that Flt 800 was downed by a fuel tank explosion, that a Ryder truck was reponsible for the Murrah bldg. loss, that the four FBI agents shot at Waco were killed by the Dravidians (never mind that their previous asignment was to guard Gov. Clinton), and that it's perfeclty understable that the 2nd tower hit (with the fuel tank fireball outside the building) was the first to fall.

Don't lose those rose-colored glasses. Reality's a bitch.

93 posted on 11/06/2001 10:30:34 AM PST by rightofrush
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To: Righter-than-Rush
I tried to bring up your web page and use your e-mail address. No luck with either.
94 posted on 11/06/2001 10:43:07 AM PST by rightofrush
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
I see the statue of liberty and NYC there. Was the crash in NYC?
95 posted on 11/06/2001 12:08:18 PM PST by KLT
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To: rightofrush
Don't lose those rose-colored glasses. Reality's a bitch.

And don't lose contact with those UFOs and fairies.  We can always use a little more pixie dust.

 America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America -- here

 For better viewing download 8Mb file here

96 posted on 11/06/2001 12:13:03 PM PST by JCG
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To: KLT
From October 31, 1999:

NANTUCKET, Massachusetts (CNN) -- An EgyptAir plane with 217 people on board crashed at sea early Sunday off the island of Nantucket, Massachusetts, en route from New York to Cairo, Egypt. The U.S. Coast Guard said one body was recovered from the water and all those on board are feared dead.

Awfully fearsome place, right off Nantucket, eh?
Anyway, look at the picture. The plane is clearly LEAVING New York and crashing, not flying into it.

97 posted on 11/06/2001 3:00:04 PM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
Then why do they show the Statue of Liberty and NYC on fire? Any reason for that, that's not Nantucket!
98 posted on 11/06/2001 3:01:33 PM PST by KLT
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To: KLT
PLEASE LOOK AT THE PICTURE! New York is NOT on fire in the picture. The plane is. Egypt has accused the US of intentionally shooting that plane down. The plane was taking off from New York when it crashed.
99 posted on 11/06/2001 3:29:34 PM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
PLEASE LOOK AT THE PICTURE! New York is NOT on fire in the picture. The plane is. Egypt has accused the US of intentionally shooting that plane down. The plane was taking off from New York when it crashed.

But that's so ridiculous, we'd never shoot down a commercial airline, unless there was something insidious aboard, and you know that to be true.

Was that the same flight with the suicidal copilot?

100 posted on 11/06/2001 6:41:20 PM PST by KLT
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