Is Islam Violent?

Chuckmorse.com ^ | Oct. 11, 2001 | Chuck Morse

[NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh]

It certainly was. And we have paid a dear price for Egyptian treachery because of it.

[KLT]

Ahhhhh, I see, thank you my friend.....now I remember well....

FreeGuards,

Karen aka KLT

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[MHGinTN]

Stax, not only is the religion of Islam a man-made belief system, it is violent and the men that direct the adherents have a desure to control and subjugate, as their means to power. Forced adherents to a religious belief, especially one that claims to go back to Adam for its source ought to know humankind fell from grace willfully, thus God allowed free will to operate; such a kind must come to accept God's rule by choice, never by force. It is just one of the deep inconsistencies in Islamic belief. [I won't go into the 'prophets' named by Mohammed as real prophets to Judaic history that Muhammed named as good men, who were in fact fabricated gods named in the Egyptian pantheon rather than actual persons descended from Abraham or Ishmael. If interested, look up the name Idris (Osiris in Egypt), and cross reference it to the Islamic beliefs as dictated by Muhammed. That's a start.]

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[rightofrush]

I took advantage of your link and found some very heavy reading. There's much there to think about.

[Restorer]

that the four FBI agents shot at Waco were killed by the Dravidians (never mind that their previous asignment was to guard Gov. Clinton)

I believe no FBI agents died at Waco. The original raid, with the shot agents, was by the BTF. I have no idea what the assignments of the dead agents was.

that it's perfeclty understable that the 2nd tower hit (with the fuel tank fireball outside the building) was the first to fall.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. The second tower was hit much lower. The structural members being weakened by the heat of the fire carried at least twice as much weight as those in the other tower. Of course it collapsed in less time.

[Restorer]

that the four FBI agents shot at Waco were killed by the Dravidians (never mind that their previous asignment was to guard Gov. Clinton)

I believe no FBI agents died at Waco. The original raid, with the shot agents, was by the BTF. I have no idea what the assignments of the dead agents was.

that it's perfeclty understable that the 2nd tower hit (with the fuel tank fireball outside the building) was the first to fall.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. The second tower was hit much lower. The structural members being weakened by the heat of the fire carried at least twice as much weight as those in the other tower. Of course it collapsed in less time.

[Restorer]

If interested, look up the name Idris (Osiris in Egypt), and cross reference it to the Islamic beliefs as dictated by Muhammed.

Before getting too self-righteous about this, examine some of the Christian beliefs and practices imported from pagan religions. The list is quite long. Many Christians believe, of course, that these practices have been purified and sanctified by their adoption into Christianity. Muslims could justifiably claim the same.

[rightofrush]

(with the fuel tank fireball outside the building)

I think you overlooked something.

[Restorer]

I think you overlooked something.

I suspect there was plenty of fuel to go around. If you have actual data from engineers or others with an expert opinion on this, I'd like to see it.

The alternative scenario would apparently involve a large bomb or a number of small bombs expertly located at the exact level of the tower where the plane hit. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. If they had the ability to bring the tower down without the plane hitting it, why didn't they do it right after the first plane hit, before most of the occupants had evacuated?

The video I have seen shows no indication of additional massive blasts after the planes hit.

[MHGinTN]

Aww, didums take offense at my exposing Muhammedism for the garbage it is?

[Restorer]

Nope, just objecting to a Christian pot calling an Islamic kettle black. If anything, Christianity has borrowed far more from pagan religions than Islam has. Any competent, honest scholar of religion will admit as much.

If you care to attempt substantive refutation instead of engaging in baby talk, I'm more than willing to continue the conversation.

[Restorer]

I do know one thing: Islam can only be changed from below through a cultural revolution. This could take hundreds of years.

Agreed. The possible alternatives are extermination or permanent subjugation, both of which would entail changing the US permanently into a very different type of nation.

I also suspect that the rise of a unified Islam under a caliph is far more likely if we remain in the Middle East, than if we get out, after killing Bin Laden. Without a U.S. devil to focus on, the various Islamic groups are far more likely to continue with their fracturus ways.

Agreed again. The problem is that if we pulled out of the Middle East, the economies of Europe and America would collapse. We are just too dependent on their oil, at present. And nobody is (yet) willing to do what would be necessary to break that dependence.

[MHGinTN]

Bwahahaha, conversation, refutation? You assume a great deal, poppinjay. Go bait someone else. You're the one claiming the broadest knowledge, rattle loudly for your own entertainment.

[MHGinTN]

A far better approach would be to develop energy sources that would free us of dependence on Middle East oil. Then we could tell the Arabs to go p*ss up a rope. 82 posted on 11/6/01 12:54 AM Eastern by Restorer Tell me something, please: why did you choose to step off the trolly and insult Christianity in this thread? Is this a sign of the 'evenhandedness' the sycophantic socialist media wishes to prtray? I can agree 100% with the above comment regarding our need to become independent of these primitive oil sheiks. I'm even a cheerer for alternate energy sources and conservation (to doubt we Americans are extremely wasteful is absurd in light of the evidence) as ways to speed up our sekf-reliance. So why did you deign it necessary to pop out an oblique slur on Christianity when that particular religion wasn't the issue? We're not debating the crusades here; they happened long ago. I though the issue was the backwardness of Islamic culture/religion and the absurdities of said religion as created by Mohammed of the Hashim.

[Restorer]

How can I put this?

You posted that Islam was a ridiculous religion because it (according to you) had borrowed from earlier pagan religions.

If this is so, then Christianity (which has borrowed much more from similar sources) must be at least equally ridiculous.

I was making fun of your premise, not your religion.

I notice you have still not attempted to show that Christianity has not borrowed from pagan religions. I advise against it, since even the Catholic Encyclopedia freely admits such.

A parable about glass houses comes to mind. Jesus had something to say about the need to remove the beam from one's own eye before presuming to address the splinter in your brother's eye. Perhaps this should be taken to apply to religions as well as to individuals.

If you want to diss Islam, I think there are far more effective ways to go about it than dredging up ancient names of forgotten gods.

You're the one claiming the broadest knowledge, rattle loudly for your own entertainment.

I claim no special knowledge. Everything I have stated about the background of Christian religious practices is readily found in any standard encyclopedia.

BTW, I have been polite and respectful in addressing you. Why do you reply with insults rather than reasoned discourse?

[poet]

Thanks for the link. It's bookmarked.

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Is Islam violent? do bears crap in the woods?!!