Islam's God: The Origin of Allah the Moon God

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[spycatcher]

Pre-Islamic Arabia's religion was one of superstition. Belief in jinns (genies), curse casting, magic stones, totems was the norm - and it was against this background that Allah arose. Although the Quran is claimed to be a heavenly writing with no earthly source, evidence of these very sorts of cultural influence is found in such places as Suras 55, 72, 113 and 114.

Animism, the belief that spirits inhabit rocks, trees and other elements was also very commonplace. Some of these stones were venerated and used as a focal point for the worship of a particular tribal god. No surprise, Muhammad's family had just such a stone for their own tribe - a black stone, in fact, that they kept at the Kabah (where the tribal idols were set up). The pagan rites of bowing toward Mecca, making a pilgrimage to the Kabah, running around it seven times, kissing it, then running to the river to throw stones at the devil all found there way into Islamic practice.

The final piece of the puzzle was in found in the religion of the Sabeans, an astral religion that worshipped the moon god and planned their religious rites around the lunar calendar. One such rite was fasting from crescent moon to crescent moon, a practice which would also be adopted by Muhammad.

If these things were not present before Muhammad received them from Allah (who himself is the moon god of Muhammad's tribe), why did Muhammad not have to explain what those words meant in the Quran? How would people have known who Allah was? ( or: what a jinn was? what the Kabah was? what the word Islam meant? etc.). Even the word "Islam" which many believe to mean "submission" was not an original word. In Arabic it was a secular term that denoted the strength and bravery of a desert warrior (a definition that accurately reflects the war-like tribes that founded Islam with bloodshed).

The Moon God

"Allah" is from the compound Arabic word "al-ilah" or in english "the god". Allah was known before Muhammad's time without a doubt. His name has been found in pre-islamic writings and other archeological finds. At the Kabah in Mecca over 350 gods were worshipped, but it was built especially for the chief deity - the moon god. Allah was the personal title of the moon god. Allah was married to the sun goddess. They produced three daughters, whose worship Muhammad would later make the mistake of condoning. The crescent moon symbol of Arabia came from this god.

Muhammad's family revered this particular god, and it is this idol that Muhammad declared to be the only true god. So, Allah - far from being the revealed God of the Bible as Muhammad would have us believe - is nothing more than an amplified pagan idol. Muhammad did not re-make the pagan god, he simply removed the lower deities from the rites of worship. That is why he never had to explain who Allah was. By definition, an idol converted in the 7th century into a new god cannot be the sama God revealed thousands of years earlier to Biblical prophets!

[#3Fan]

I stayed up till 3:00am this morning reading this thread and only got to about #325. I had some questions for you and finally realized how old the thread was! LOL! Bookmarking this until I can spend some more time. One question for now: Did you come to these conclusions through your own studies, if not, what or who has been your major influence? I have been leaning towards this interpretation myself, since I find it hard to reconcile all races began with Adam, and for that matter, all but Noah and his family being destroyed in the flood, defacto making his family the top of the totem pole of all mankind.

I too will have to come back to this conversation in the next couple of days to see what this thread was about. I like this subject though, obviously, and don't mind discussing it again. I'll look it over later today hopefully. :^)

[Unassuaged]

The phase I use for this is "[A belief] came from my mother's milk."

[OWK]

Would you consider yourself "morally superior" to oppose Him and suffer His wrath? Be it for an eternity?

I consider the "Him" described in the Old Testament, to be so ridiculously out of character with what a loving God would have to be, that I'd have no desire to spend eternity with Him.

[FITZ]

Sorry toots. I'm a moral absolutist of the first order.

If there is no God what would you base morals on? For example if a wolf kills another wolf for any reason it's morally neutral.

[Texaggie79]

So you would rather spend eternity suffering His wrath?

[Gargantua]

Yup, that's it. Nailed.

[OWK]

For example if a wolf kills another wolf for any reason it's morally neutral.

Of course.

Wolves (as opposed to human beings) lack the cognitive faculties and restraint of impulse necessary to morality.

[OWK]

So you would rather spend eternity suffering His wrath?

Sure.

I have no desire to sit at the feet of such a god.

[OWK]

dig your own grave.

Golly..

You must be like... important or something.

[carton253]

Pre-everybodies religion was that of superstition, big deal. The author fails to indicate that when Muhhammed defeated the Meccans (around 630), he destroyed tthat cities idols. Not unlike Moses coming down from the mountains, or Jesus at the temple.It would seem that God's prophets have some similar tactics.

Wow! That is so wrong... I don't know where to even begin... LOL!

[.30Carbine]

I recognized that the thread began 2 years ago. I was very interested in placing a waymarker on it, however, and bumping it, because a similar thread, which also stated very plainly the truth about "Allah," and which I had bookmarked, was deleted. I'm glad this 2-year-old thread states the truth and yet is still present on the forum. Have a great day.

[#3Fan]

It may be a while before I can read it and respond. My freeping time is filled up right now answering those that are attacking me on another subject. I try not to get into two deep subjects at once. I'll see you in a few days.

[FITZ]

But how is that morality? In a godless universe why would reason lead you to restraint at all? It didn't lead that Nazis that way.

[FITZ]

I have no desire to sit at the feet of such a god.

In the Bible it talks about the "good news of salvation" --- not the "bad news of salvation" --- sometimes the image of God gets twisted.

[Zeein]

Does the existence of multiple counterfeits prove the non-existence of the real True one?
No, the other way around. The more counterfiets there are, there must be One True God.

[Texaggie79]

Well, luckily for us, He's not such a God, but if He were, I seriously doubt you would choose to suffer eternal torture in order to prove a point.


You see, you are acting as if you are better than Him. How can that be when he created the very concept of better? All these standards and "morals" you stick to, the ojbects you apply them to, the brain that makes the electronic and chemical reactions to think this all up, are all His creation.

Methinks humbleness is a quality you should look up :-D

[OWK]

In a godless universe why would reason lead you to restraint at all?

Rational self-interest.

I cannot claim the protections of a moral code I am unwilling to engage in myself.

In order to claim the moral imperative to live free of initiated force, I must afford others the same opportunity.

[OWK]

In the Bible it talks about the "good news of salvation" --- not the "bad news of salvation" --- sometimes the image of God gets twisted.

I'd submit that the image of God was twisted throughout the entire Old Testament.

Surely no loving God would behave like the creature described in the Old Testament.

[OWK]

You see, you are acting as if you are better than Him.

Either the actions attributed to "him" in the Old Testament were grossly in error, or I AM better than him.

[Texaggie79]

You see, this is where that humbleness comes in.

Don't you think that it just might be possible for the creator of the entire universe to have a little bit more of a grasp on what is important?

You arbitrarily place importance on what YOU believe to be important and treat that like an axiom. That cannot be. You aren't the creator.