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Arrested Men's Shaved Bodies Drew Suspicion of the F.B.I.
The New York Times ^ | October 26, 2001 | CHRISTOPHER DREW and RALPH BLUMENTHAL

Posted on 10/26/2001 1:12:17 AM PDT by sarcasm


Ayub Ali Khan, left, and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath were taken off a train in Texas on Sept. 12.

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When two Indian men were arrested in Texas the day after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the F.B.I. found that both had shaved most of the hair on their bodies.

The Federal Bureau of Investigations interpreted the closely cut hair, and otherwise shaven bodies, as a possible sign that the men, Ayub Ali Khan and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, might have been ready to die in a similar attack, and were "prepared to meet Allah," one bureau official said.

This created suspicions, still unconfirmed, that the men, who carried box cutters and $5,500 in cash, might have been part of a failed hijacking team, officials said.

The F.B.I.'s concerns about Mr. Khan and Mr. Azmath, who had flown out of Newark on the morning of the hijackings, grew after agents recovered letters instructing some of the suspected hijackers to "shave excess hair from the body" as they prepared for the suicide missions, the officials said.

Mr. Khan and Mr. Azmath were "extremely nervous" when police officers approached them on a train in Fort Worth, according to an arrest report released yesterday by the Fort Worth police. The report also revealed that Mr. Azmath was carrying a pocket knife and that the men's luggage contained receipts showing that they had recently received transfers of money.

One Muslim leader said yesterday that shaving one's body was not a common practice in his religion. Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, an Islamic advocacy organization based in Washington, said pilgrims to Mecca sometimes cut their hair short or shaved their scalps but not their entire bodies.

"Nothing in the Koran or the teachings of the Prophet talks of this," he said. "It really makes no sense." He said it might be explainable only by "the mentality of cult."

F.B.I. officials said they initially suspected that Mr. Khan and Mr. Azmath could have been part of a team meant to hijack the plane they took from Newark, Trans World Airlines Flight 679, or another airliner. But they said they did not find any other passengers on the T.W.A. flight that resembled the profiles of the suspected hijackers.

Neither Mr. Khan, 34, nor Mr. Azmath, 32, has been charged with any crime in connection with the terrorist plots, and no proof has emerged that either man even knew any of the suspected hijackers.

Both men are being held in jail in New York as material witnesses in the investigation, although authorities said they had not provided much cooperation.

When the two were taken off the train in Fort Worth on Sept. 12, they told police officers they were headed for San Antonio to visit a friend and start a fruit stand.

The report said Mr. Azmath quickly denied any role in the terrorist attacks, saying, "I did not have anything to do with New York."

But the report, prepared by a Fort Worth police sergeant, Brad S. Johnson, ticked off several other reasons why the men, who boarded the train in St. Louis after their flight was grounded, seemed suspicious.

The report said the police officers, who were working on an antidrug task force, were interested in the men because they had bought their tickets at the last minute with cash, a practice common among drug couriers. Both men were asleep when the train arrived in Fort Worth, Sergeant Johnson noted. Once the police awakened them, an artery on Mr. Azmath's neck began "visibly pulsating" and his forehead got sweaty, while Mr. Kahn's hands trembled, the report said.

It also said the men had receipts showing that they had received money transfers, although the officials would not say who had sent the money or how much was involved.

Mr. Azmath told the officers that he earned only $300 a week at a newsstand in Newark where he and Mr. Khan had worked until late August.

Two boxcutters and $2,400 of the cash were in a new black briefcase with a combination lock that belonged to Mr. Kahn. In addition to the pocket knife, the report said, Mr. Azmath carried nearly $3,200 in cash and photocopies of multiple passports depicting him in various guises: with a full beard; a mustache; and clean shaven, both with and without glasses. Yet, the report said, Mr. Azmath answered "no" when asked if he was carrying knives or a large amount of money.

In an interview yesterday, Sergeant Johnson said that immigration agents detained the men over the validity of their passports.

Since then, the F.B.I. has also been examining how Mr. Khan and Mr. Azmath amassed $64,000 to send home to relatives in their native India in 1999, especially given Mr. Azmath's statement that he had earned only $300 a week.

Late last week, federal prosecutors charged Mohammad Aslam Pervez, a third man who had shared a Jersey City apartment with Mr. Khan and Mr. Azmath, with lying about more than $100,000 that had flowed in and out of his bank account.

Richard L. Gruber, a lawyer for the newsstand company, said most of Mr. Pervez's checks and money orders were related to his attempts to buy part of that business.

The F.B.I. also recently tested the Jersey City apartment for signs of anthrax, and its agents have looked into a tip that Mr. Azmath may have been seen in 1993, around the time of the van-bombing of the World Trade Center, in an apartment with a man who was later convicted in the assault. But officials said they doubted that Mr. Azmath had any connection to that attack.


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1 posted on 10/26/2001 1:12:17 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
What is with this shaved body fetish among mass murderers? Gary Condit is another case in point. Perhaps I'm naive, but I can't for the life of me imagine what it's about.
2 posted on 10/26/2001 1:20:32 AM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: sarcasm
Two questions:

1. Why aren't these two undergoing torture right now?

2. What are Muslims still in our in our country?

Bin Laden has nuclear material and we are still playing "nice and PC". Disgusting.

3 posted on 10/26/2001 1:27:18 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: sarcasm
Just have to wonder why anyone would carry that kind of money around on the way to their intentional death. The airlines don't charge for the meals, the drinks aren't that expensive and neither are the head phones for the movie.

Then again, they may not have been planning to die, just part of the hi jack crew. The head man (pilot) may not have made the flight that day for whatever reason. With out him, these guys may have had no idea what was going on. Just there to help a fellow muslim and all that stuff. If this is true, then they may not have much to tell; as they never knew the plan.

4 posted on 10/26/2001 1:30:18 AM PDT by Brad C.
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To: Brad C.
and...?
5 posted on 10/26/2001 1:37:38 AM PDT by gogov
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To: Brad C.
"Just have to wonder why anyone would carry that kind of money around on the way to their intentional death. "

There could be several uses for the money. The money could have been for bribing airline security to get past the check-in, or get luggage put onto the plane. Or they could have also been carrying the money to hand off to someone else before boarding. Or finally, it could be part of a backup plan to use to escape if something went wrong.

6 posted on 10/26/2001 4:29:11 AM PDT by wjeanw
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To: Clinton's a rapist
I've heard gay men shave their bodies. Maybe the terrorists are all gay.
7 posted on 10/26/2001 4:34:19 AM PDT by nagdt
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To: nagdt
Another possible reason for shaving their body hair could be if they were dealing with biological agents. It would make decontamination easier.
8 posted on 10/26/2001 4:38:56 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Brad C.
maybe they were going to hand off the money
9 posted on 10/26/2001 4:40:46 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod
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To: nagdt
I thought they shaved the gerbils.
10 posted on 10/26/2001 4:45:23 AM PDT by Bill Rice
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To: nagdt
I've heard gay men shave their bodies. Maybe the terrorists are all gay.

So do competitive swimmers. Perhaps they were all gay competitive swimmers.

12 posted on 10/26/2001 4:54:19 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: sarcasm
It could be innocent, maybe they had a date w/ Gary Condit.
13 posted on 10/26/2001 4:55:07 AM PDT by putupon
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To: Leroy S. Mort; nagdt
Would it be a patriotic duty to find out which women are shaving all over.
14 posted on 10/26/2001 4:56:48 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: samtheman
I heard some talking head on MSNBC the other night say that because "torture" is illegal in this country they have sent suspects to other countries such as Egypt to be tortured while a couple of FBI agents stood back and took notes of their confessions.
15 posted on 10/26/2001 4:57:58 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: sarcasm
Easier for the duct tape to stick to them. When they attach explosives to themselves.
16 posted on 10/26/2001 4:58:28 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda
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To: sarcasm
Torture NO. Sodium Pentathal YES.
17 posted on 10/26/2001 4:58:30 AM PDT by Henchman
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To: Bill Rice
Gerbils?Between the tiny rodents and the goats,where did these guys find the time to plot!?LOL
18 posted on 10/26/2001 5:00:40 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: tonycavanagh
Would it be a patriotic duty to find out which women are shaving all over.

There are women who don't shave these days? Oh wait, you're British aren't you? :-}

19 posted on 10/26/2001 5:01:46 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Brad C.
"these guys may have had no idea what was going on. Just there to help a fellow muslim and all that stuff. If this is true, then they may not have much to tell; as they never knew the plan."

That's an interesting idea especially after reading that some of the other 'hijackers' may have been duped. They may have been two more dupes, huh?

20 posted on 10/26/2001 5:03:09 AM PDT by blam
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To: Clinton's a rapist
As far as Condit goes, latex body suits don't go on and off well with body hair...

As reported on FR on another thread... (I'm no expert, really...)

21 posted on 10/26/2001 5:03:27 AM PDT by DB
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To: Henchman
You wouldn't say that if you had ever had pentathol. You wouldn't wish pentathol on your worst enemy.

It's WAY too much fun for your worst enemy or these ragheads.

22 posted on 10/26/2001 5:04:39 AM PDT by big gray tabby
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To: Leroy S. Mort
I was thinking all over apart from the hair on top.

Cheers Tony

23 posted on 10/26/2001 5:07:56 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: sarcasm
the F.B.I. has also been examining how Mr. Khan and Mr. Azmath amassed $64,000 to send home to relatives in their native India in 1999, especially given Mr. Azmath's statement that he had earned only $300 a week.

I think they belonged to First Newark Bank's "Christmas Club."

24 posted on 10/26/2001 5:08:07 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Clinton's a rapist
What is with this shaved body fetish among mass murderers? Gary Condit is another case in point. Perhaps I'm naive, but I can't for the life of me imagine what it's about.


Afghani Olympic swim team?
25 posted on 10/26/2001 5:11:40 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: tonycavanagh
Please see here.
26 posted on 10/26/2001 5:12:16 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Clinton's a rapist
What is with this shaved body fetish among mass murderers? Gary Condit is another case in point. Perhaps I'm naive, but I can't for the life of me imagine what it's about.

Some connection with pedophilia, perhaps.

27 posted on 10/26/2001 5:14:10 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: sarcasm
That shaved guy on the right looks like John Doe #2 might, a few years older and a few pounds lighter. Is he his brother?


28 posted on 10/26/2001 5:16:16 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: sarcasm
In "Nine Parts of Desire" by Geraldine Brooks (about women in Islam, and is a very interesting read) she writes that at least in certain Middle Eastern Muslim traditions, both wife and husband shave their body hair regularly, about once a month.
29 posted on 10/26/2001 5:19:58 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: samtheman
I suggest that the firemen, note please firemen not firepersons, from Pumper number 3, interview these guys. Just put a couple of Ny firemen in the room with them and close the door!
30 posted on 10/26/2001 5:35:24 AM PDT by thinking
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To: sarcasm
Ask them to introduce us to the friend with the fruitstand in San Antonio. Hold them on suspicion of being spies and if found guilty (they sound pretty guilty already, execute them as spies. Before executing them, make life miserable for their immediate families. We are at war.
31 posted on 10/26/2001 5:41:58 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: Henchman
"Torture NO. Sodium Pentathal YES."

Throw in LSD, and an interrogation squad dressed like Porky Pig and family?

Have a Hollywood make-up artist create a latex pigface on the suspect. When he awakes, he gets queried by the other pigs and gradually exposed to a mirror.


You WILL talk, big boy!

32 posted on 10/26/2001 5:57:26 AM PDT by Bill Rice
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To: tonycavanagh
I was thinking all over apart from the hair on top.

So was I.............. ;-)

33 posted on 10/26/2001 6:04:41 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: sarcasm; 2sheep; Manny Festo; Thinkin' Gal; TrueBeliever9
Niwad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, an Islamic advocacy organization based in Washington, said pilgrims to Mecca sometimes cut their hair short or shaved their scalps but not their entire bodies.

"Nothing in the Koran or the teachings of the Prophet talks of this," he said. "It really makes no sense." He said it might be explainable only by "the mentality of cult."

NIWAD AWAD (CAIR) You are such a LIAR!

It took me two minutes to find it in the hadith sunnah Fighting for the Cause of allah (Jihaad)

Second large paragraph regarding someone being martyred for Allah.CAIR are liars! There's no way he didn't know this.

34 posted on 10/26/2001 6:05:26 AM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: nagdt
"I've heard gay men shave their bodies. Maybe the terrorists are all gay"

Yo, Allah, put those 72 virgins back into inventory.

35 posted on 10/26/2001 6:08:45 AM PDT by APBaer
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To: sarcasm; America's Resolve; dennisw; Lent
There are a lot of search sites for the religion of submission. Here's a hadith search from the Muslim Student Association at USC if anyone is interested. Hadith text search

and here's a quoran search.

36 posted on 10/26/2001 6:12:02 AM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: sarcasm
Needles, dipped in pigs blood, under their finger and toe nails until they spill their guts.
37 posted on 10/26/2001 6:17:39 AM PDT by b4its2late
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To: Henchman
There's nothing wrong with torture if using it will save hundreds or thousands of lives or even one life. Far better to torture these kinds than to bomb civilians and helpless children.
38 posted on 10/26/2001 6:18:05 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: APBaer
That hadith search is not working at the moment. It was a real treasure. Just entering Jew or Jihad in the bottom box got many COOL hits.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

39 posted on 10/26/2001 6:26:37 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: FITZ
You don't need torture where you maim and cripple. Drugs and getting a little physical with 'em will do the trick these days. Not even torture in my book.

The way Saddam Hussein does it ......cutting things off...gouging out eyes... NOW that's torture!

40 posted on 10/26/2001 6:30:19 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Depends on what you call torture I guess, drugs with torture---it doesn't have to be gouging out eyes, maybe carefully applied electric current would be better. Anything to save innocent lives. I'd rather hear about these men given electric shocks than see pictures of permanently maimed children in Afghanistan or Americans jumping out of 100 story buildings.
41 posted on 10/26/2001 6:34:54 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: tonycavanagh
Maybe they just left a date with Gary Condit...That would explain the all the money on hand....that was used to pay them for disposing of Chandra Levy.
42 posted on 10/26/2001 6:35:42 AM PDT by GADIST64
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To: FITZ
Depends on what you call torture I guess..............

There are many levels of torture. Low level torture, meaning no maiming, along with certain drugs will do the trick in my opinion. The subjects in question are not hardened enough to resist it

43 posted on 10/26/2001 6:41:02 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Prodigal Daughter
That hadith search is not working at the moment. It was a real treasure. Just entering Jew or Jihad in the bottom box got many COOL hits.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

44 posted on 10/26/2001 6:42:14 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: sarcasm
Ohh, more poor illegal immigrants coming here for a better life...
45 posted on 10/26/2001 6:48:23 AM PDT by fredtaps
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To: sarcasm
Ayub Ali Khan and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath,
might have been ready to die in a similar attack, and were "prepared to meet Allah,"

You know, it's not too late to be sending them on their way.

46 posted on 10/26/2001 6:55:23 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: syriacus
Interesting. That's what I thought when I saw the photo, too.
47 posted on 10/26/2001 6:58:02 AM PDT by GnL
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To: sarcasm
Late last week, federal prosecutors charged Mohammad Aslam Pervez, a third man who had shared a Jersey City apartment with Mr. Khan and Mr. Azmath, with lying about more than $100,000 that had flowed in and out of his bank account....

The F.B.I. also recently tested the Jersey City apartment for signs of anthrax, and its agents have looked into a tip that Mr. Azmath may have been seen in 1993, around the time of the van-bombing of the World Trade Center, in an apartment with a man who was later convicted in the assault. But officials said they doubted that Mr. Azmath had any connection to that attack.

HELLO?????

New Jersey apartment?

Notice that no mention was made of whether they found anthrax in this apartment.

48 posted on 10/26/2001 6:59:22 AM PDT by Bryan24
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To: dennisw
I'll have to try that! I was going to enter "kill" too when I got the time. Those searches could be future threads!

I wonder if they pulled the website on purpose, maybe an FR infiltrator propagandist?

49 posted on 10/26/2001 7:04:25 AM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Prodigal Daughter
Heh!
Maybe they will come back but the Koran search and the Hadith search are/were hosted by usc.edu which of course is University of Southern Californian. How nice to come to the USA and have your Muslim material hosted for free. Then you pull it when you find out it just may be used against you.

My own feeling is that the Hadith commentaries have a lot more nasty material than the Koran

50 posted on 10/26/2001 7:11:38 AM PDT by dennisw
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