Posted on 11/07/2001 4:14:46 AM PST by Starmaker
Exactly!
"Mainstream" (?) homosexual groups won't condemn anything homosexual. As two leaders of the homosexual community stated in "The Overhauling of Straight America":
"A media campaign to promote the Gay Victim image should make use of symbols which reduce the mainstream’s sense of threat, which lower its guard, and which enhance the plausibility of victimization. In practical terms, this means that jaunty mustachioed musclemen would keep a very low profile in gay commercials and other public presentation, while sympathetic figures of nice young people, old people, and attractive women would be featured. (It almost goes without saying that groups on the farthest margin of acceptability, such as NAMBLA, must play no part at all in such a campaign; suspected child-molesters will never look like victims)..."
Note that they say that NAMBLA is an acceptable group - if they won't come out and condemn something as sick and twisted as NAMBLA, they certainly aren't going to condemn movies with a homosexual theme.
** "Will PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) condemn this?" **
No - because PFLAG has been known to recommend very sexually explicit reading materials to minors:
An excerpt from "Recommended Reading for Teenagers? A Closer Look at P-FLAG":
This supposedly mainstream organization is not what appearances suggest.
"The well-known and respected national organization "Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays" (P-FLAG) serves as a support group for parents seeking guidance for their homosexual children. P-FLAG is recommended as a resource group by the U.S. Department of Education and U.S. Department of Justice in its upcoming manual, "Preventing Youth Hate Crime." Many schools, community agencies, and even nationally syndicated newspaper columnists refer families to it. P-FLAG has affiliates in all 50 states, with about 70,000 families among its membership.
A look at some of P-FLAG's literature and recommended books, however, reveals an approach to child guidance which is consistently both sexually and socially radical. First-person stories aimed at teens tell in pornographic detail of the delight of a young girl's sexual seduction by her lesbian teacher; of gay relationships between teenage boys and much older men; and of the precise how-to's of masturbation. Teenagers are specifically encouraged to use only their feelings as a guide to sexual behavior; to be their own judge of what is right and wrong; and to "have fun" experimenting. If a sexual behavior feels good, the logic says, it will tell them "who they are." Teenagers are encouraged to see religious traditionalists as mean-spirited and hypocritical, while at the same time, to see gay consciousness as "sacred." Were similar books recommended by parenting groups for "straight" teenagers, they would be considered violations of community standards of decency.
Some of the recommended books are relatively "tame" on the surface, justifying teenaged homosexual experimentation with the usual "This is me. This is who I am." Others go much further--glorifying sex with animals, witchcraft, feminist goddess worship, worship of sexual pleasure as a form of religion, promiscuity with hundreds of partners, bisexual orgies, and voyeurism.
Ironically, one of their booklets, "Beyond the Bible: Parents, Families and Friends Talk about Religion and Homosexuality," has a section entitled, "Caution: Hate Groups." Listed organizations include Promise Keepers, Focus on the Family, Concerned Women of America, and Family Research Council.
That pamphlet recommends that religious seekers read Gay Soul: Finding the Heart of Gay Spirit and Nature, a book which labels gay sex "sacred." In it, first-person stories are told of gay men delightedly flouting their vow of celibacy in seminaries; of a man reporting that he had a peak orgasmic experience during sex with God; and of sadomasochic torture being enjoyed by a psychotherapist as a mystical experience. Another writer in the anthology labeled as "sacred" the experience of incest between fathers and brothers. (Gay Soul was reviewed in the April 1997 Bulletin.)..."
** "Will GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network) teachers and parents condemn it?" **
GLSEN - the group that brought us FistGate?! I think the following references show that they would never condemn it:
See the following Massachusetts News Fistgate Archive articles:
An excerpt from Students Given Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex By Brian Camenker and Scott Whiteman, The Massachusetts News, May 2000:
..."Teenagers and children as young as 12 were encouraged to come from around the state, and many were bussed in from their home districts. Homosexual activists from across the country were also there...
Role playing and "carpet munching"
Then the children were asked to role-play. One student was to act the part of "a young lesbian who’s really enraptured with another woman, and it’s really coming down to the wire and you’re thinking about having sex." The other student played the "hip GSA (gay, straight alliance) lesbian advisor, who you feel you can talk to." The "counseling" included discussions of lesbian sex, oral-vaginal contact, or "carpet munching," as one student put it. The student asked whether it would smell like fish. At that point the session turned to another subject..."
Tired of denying it
Margot Abels opened by telling the room full of teachers (and two high school students), "We always feel like we are fighting against people who deny publicly, who say privately, that being queer is not at all about sex… We believe otherwise. We think that sex is central to every single one of us and particularly queer youth."
Fistgate II Teaches More Sexual Activity for Young ‘Homosexuals’ - Held in same building as last year, but this year included more students and sex kit By Ed Oliver, The Massachusetts News, March 26, 2001
'Parents' No Longer Recognized By Schools - Daycare Centers Are Closely Monitored, By Tom Duggan, The Massachusetts News
Listen to the Fistgate Tape Online
Visit and support the Parents' Rights Coalition. From Some of the Horror Stories from Massachusetts Schools:
"Needham, MA: Even with the Parents' Rights Law in place, parents were not notified when the "Gay/Straight Alliance' at Needham hosted an assembly for the entire student body.
At the assembly, a high school student described her first lesbian kiss, and extolled the "virtues" lesbianism.
Parents were not notified that this assembly was going on, students were not [informed that they were] allowed to refuse to attend, and following the assembly, each homeroom moderator was asked to continue the discussion when the students returned to homeroom.
Later, the Faculty Advisor to the Gay/Straight Alliance publicly stated that parents' desires to exempt their children from the assembly next year would not be honored, as the "assembly did not teach any moral or religious beliefs … By introducing students to the topic of homosexuality, we hope that they will be prepared to react appropriately [to the homosexuals they meet]" - Needham TAB, February 17, 2000, p.8)"
** "When will the homosexual/pedophile assault against children stop? It will only stop when the public becomes outraged enough to put an end to homosexual recruitment programs in our public schools and when our legislators have the courage to say "No!" to the homosexual agenda. When will this happen? That is up to you." **
The public will become outraged when it finally learns the truth. Some helpful references:
The Overhauling of Straight America
"A Change In Thinking" by Linda Bowles, TownHall.com, May 22, 2001
"THE GAY GENE: GOING, GOING … GONE" by Yvette C. Schneider, Family Research Council
Seven Steps to Recruit-Proof Your Child
HOW TO PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN FROM PRO-HOMOSEXUALITY PROPAGANDA IN SCHOOLS
The "evidence against homosexuality and the homosexual movement" is supplied by the homosexual community - in their own words.
As I stated in Reply # 92 in the message thread Author Admits Gay Propaganda in Kids' Book [Free Republic]:
We will bury them with their own words.
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I'm well aware that we can debate statistics all day but the real point is: Why would you or anyone even attempt to defend pedophilia - hetro or homosexual? If it's vile when performed by hetros it's just as vile when performed by homos; but as dubyagee pointed out in post #62 hetrosexuals aren't trying to 'normalize' much less legalize it. Homosexuals are. This film is just another brick in the PR wall.
I really think your guess is a gross overestimate. At least I hope it is.
Suffice to say that I think pedophiles should be castrated, and if female, and they do exist, they should undergo FGM to the max.
The fact that Hollywood promotes this sh*t just confirms my opinion of them.
Hollywood is evil and deserves whatever sense of vigilantiism it spawns. Like "moderate" Moslems denouncing the violence on 9-11, the silence will be deafening.
At the end of the movie he is shot to death by his son, whom he has sexually abused.
This is no ad for NAMBLA. It presents the pedophile's life as not one anyone would want to be living.
You may all return to your frothing now.
1. The movie was overrated garbage with a solid performance by Spacey. A similar but much better film was "The Ice Storm".
2. If you think what it was denegrating was normalcy then your definition of normalcy is different than mine. It put down a cheating wife, kids who like to demean other kids, and a horrific husband and father (the neighbor).
Your agenda is coming more into focus now. It's the pedophiles and the Jews that must be stopped.
That's different. She was hot:)
Untrue but you didn't see the film. You just choose to believe the idiotic source that tells you what to hate and fear.
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