Posted on 11/10/2001 3:52:08 AM PST by Clive
Hi, gumbo. This is interesting. Sort of like Greendale, among other things. Thanks for alerting me to the thread. I love to know what's developing!
I will probably be flying again tomorrow to take care of my Mom for a week, like I did 3 weeks ago. I hate to think of missing out on all the things that are being discussed here on FR. Only a little TV reception and no computer connection where I am going.
FR will have it all solved by the time you get back. Have a good trip.
Yeah, but make sure it's in uncirculated bills. 85%+ of circulated U.S. currency $20 and larger have sufficient drug residue to be detected by drug-sniffing dogs.
gives a lot of credibility to the Insight series re: mountie investigation of promis.
To: Wallaby
And I just found this at orlingrabbe.com, sourced to Canada's National Post two days ago:
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Promis
Software Open to Hackers Found in RCMP Computers Rigged with trap doors: Investigators fear police, intelligence files compromised.
Illegally produced software suspected to have been vulnerable to hackers has been found in RCMP computers, the National Post has learned -- a situation that may have exposed Canadian intelligence files to theft by foreign spies.
Two sources confirmed yesterday that RCMP officers have interviewed them about a software package called Promis, which is used to store information and evidence compiled by police, prosecutors and intelligence agencies.
The Mounties told both men that illegal versions of the software had been found in the RCMP's own databases -- despite the fact the licensed designers of the package never sold it to them.
"[The investigators] have confirmed to me that they have Promis software in the RCMP," said John Belton, a former Ontario stockbroker who has researched the case as part of an unrelated lawsuit.
"They also told me that they have stolen computer software that was evidently bugged to obtain access by foreign interests to sensitive police and security related files."
A second source, requesting anonymity, said the RCMP has been looking into the issue for more than a year, fearing that intelligence files in Canada may have been compromised.
The case is potentially embarrassing for the Mounties, who routinely compile intelligence on and evidence that could be of interest to other countries. Their files include information on individuals who are considered threats to national security and civil order, such as those linked to terrorist groups, drug dealers and human smugglers.
Moreover, the RCMP also exchanges information with the country's civilian spy agency, Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), whose intelligence would be of great interest to other countries.
The RCMP confirmed yesterday that it had launched an investigation but refused to elaborate on its purpose or scope. Nor would it disclose whether the RCMP had been using Promis or any variation of it.
"But we want to reassure Canadians that, to date, we've found nothing to indicate that national security was ever compromised," said Staff Sergeant Mike Gaudet, a spokesman at RCMP headquarters in Ottawa. "Because we're conducting an investigation I can't tell you any more than that."
The revelations come on the heels of published reports that the RCMP has launched an investigation into the origin of software found in Canada -- reports the police confirmed yesterday.
An article published yesterday in a Toronto newspaper suggests the program used here was a pirated version, rigged with a "trap door" to allow American and Israeli agents to dial in to eavesdrop. The reports did not, however, say which agencies had made use of the software, only that Canadian intelligence files were at risk.
CSIS representatives denied yesterday that that agency had ever used a version of Promis, legal or illegal.
And the director of the agency that oversees CSIS noted that allegations U.S. operatives had copied versions of Promis and rigged them with trap doors -- keys that would allow hackers who knew the code to access files undetected -- first surfaced in 1991. According to published reports at the time, the copies were then sold to the governments of other countries, including Canada, Britain and Australia.
"We did ask about it at the time and CSIS investigated," said Susan Pollak of the Security Intelligence Review Committee in Ottawa. "They looked at all the angles and reported back that they used no version of the software, bootlegged or otherwise."
Other branches of the federal government cannot be so sure. The National Post has obtained copies of a letter sent by Communications Canada to Inslaw Inc., the Washington-based makers of Promis.
In it, a bureaucrat says some branches of the government are using Promis, and requests copies of training manuals to go with the program. Another official with the communications department later told Inslaw by phone that the RCMP was using the package in its field offices; altogether, the software was at work in about 900 locations throughout the Canadian government.
When Bill Hamilton, the owner of Inslaw, called back to inform them he had no record of software being sold to Canadian agencies, Ottawa began backtracking. It later claimed that it had mixed Promis up with another software package of the same name.
The National Post, August 26, 2000
11 Posted on 08/28/2000 07:21:30 PDT by Plummz
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Riiiiight! (wink wink;-)
The other software was "Promises, Promises". A Primer for politicians.
The Mounties also get NLETS with their PROMIS and Minesweeper and Shockwave and whatnot. NLETS is also the little ditty the ex-Chicago cop used to help him operate a large jewelry theft ring.
If that's so, the Israelis are now in control of law enforcement for the world. Personally, I think Ariel Sharon is a nut; so this can't be a good thing.
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