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ALAN KEYES: Justifying War
WND ^ | 11/10/01 | Dr. Alan Keyes

Posted on 11/10/2001 6:34:55 AM PST by Keyes For President

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Another excellent essay from the most eleoquent spokesman for Constitutional Conservatism.
1 posted on 11/10/2001 6:34:55 AM PST by Keyes For President
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To: Rowdee; Clinton's a liar; rdf; seattlesue; tame
The American solution to this dilemma is to acknowledge religion as a principal source of moral goodness, while recognizing the danger of religious sectarianism only and precisely insofar as it appears in the form of actions which are immoral regardless of motive. The ruthless destruction of innocent human life, however it may cloak itself in a false language of theology or religiosity, is always and everywhere evil because it is the most manifest repudiation possible of the principle of human equality. This is one reason our founders listed life first among the rights with which our Creator endowed us.
2 posted on 11/10/2001 6:36:12 AM PST by Keyes For President
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3 posted on 11/10/2001 6:40:56 AM PST by Khepera
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4 posted on 11/10/2001 6:41:41 AM PST by Khepera
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To: Torie
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5 posted on 11/10/2001 6:44:40 AM PST by rdf
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To: Keyes For President
He would be a good one to head the RNC instead of Gilmore.
If he can't be president, then he should help make them, and make our party bigger, better and stronger.
6 posted on 11/10/2001 6:49:06 AM PST by RadicalRik
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To: Keyes For President
Allan finnally screws up. It must be intentional because I'm sure he knows better.

We are seeking to destroy an association of men who have taken violent, evil action against the innocent in our country

Why did they take 'evil' action? Because we don't submit and pay homage to Islam. You've got to consider, these terrorists are defacto theologians.

On one side, people are taugh to 'love your neighbor' and 'thou shall not kill'. The Islam message that comes through to the 'fanatics' is, 'despise your neighbor' and 'kill if you can', and Islam is rallying around these 'fanatics'.

IMO, this war won't be over until the Koran is 'rewritten'.

8 posted on 11/10/2001 7:11:00 AM PST by duckln
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To: RadicalRik
>He would be a good one to head the RNC instead of Gilmore.

I have a question of Mr Keyes, but really have no way to ask him - there is no e-mail address that I know of, so I am asking it here hoping it would somehow get to Mr Keyes.

The question is this - why isn't GWB using you? Why does the RNC act as if you do not exist?
Reading your articles and listening to your speeches one can not but be in awe of your intellect, leadership ability and morals.

So why don't they use you?

9 posted on 11/10/2001 8:53:38 AM PST by Symix
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To: Symix
The question is this - why isn't GWB using you?

If you were President Bush, having been the target of this guy's pot shot after pot shot, would you "use" Keyes? Not to get into a big debate with those who love the man, but he rarely misses an opportunity to take a shot at Bush. I don't honestly see why the President should be obligated to offer him a gig.

10 posted on 11/10/2001 9:00:04 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: duckln
Hardly a "screw-up."

Notwithstanding the religious nature of the language bin Laden and his ilk use, we must not fight back in the name of Christianity, but in the name of our American principles of natural, God-given rights. Any attack on these rights is evil.

Alan Keyes often says America has a "creed" in a sense, but it, of course, is non-denominational. The creed is outlined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution: that all men are created equal with rights -- and one of these rights is the right to worship God according to the dictates of our own conscience. It is our respect for these principles that has made our nation unique and blessed above all other nations.

It may be true that we are fighting for the right of Judeo-Christianity to exist in our country, but we are also fighting for the right of any other religion. Bin Laden's hijacked airplanes did not target Christians and Jews; they killed members of other religious sects, even Muslims. But even if it had been exclusive to Judeo-Christianity, that still would not affect our response. Human beings were evilly murdered on our soil, and we will not allow that.

If we reacted as though this is a war of Jews and Christians against Muslims, we would play right into bin Laden’s hands. The “fatwa” he issued against America tries to pit religion against religion. The purpose, of course, is to get all Muslims around the world rallied to bin Laden’s cause. He’s the one on a crusade, not us. And he would like nothing better than to see Muslims think Judeo-Christianity is a beast that wants to destroy them.

We cannot take the bait.

11 posted on 11/10/2001 9:29:58 AM PST by Gelato
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
If you were President Bush, having been the target of this guy's pot shot after pot shot, would you "use" Keyes? Not to get into a big debate with those who love the man, but he rarely misses an opportunity to take a shot at Bush. I don't honestly see why the President should be obligated to offer him a gig.

That's an extreme exaggeration. The thing is, Keyes is deeply committed to the pro-life cause, and he takes issue with anyone who does not likewise uphold this principle.

Although Bush made strong statements to show his opposition to stem cell research during his campaign, he wavered from this once he got in office. Keyes has strongly denounced this, and he will continue to do so. It is, after all, not a light thing. It is a matter of life and death. And it doesn't matter who the President is, whether he is Republican or Democrat, Keyes will always criticize those are weak-kneed on this issue.

If this makes some in the GOP uncomfortable . . . well, that's their problem, not his.

12 posted on 11/10/2001 9:42:41 AM PST by Gelato
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
It would be very disappointing if this was true - that GWB would hold a grudge to the degree where he would not use a true champion like Dr Keyes when there are no champions left.

I do not understand where all of you, Keyes bashers, find these alleged "shots" at GWB.
I think you are just self-appointed, zealous "defenders" who attack Dr Keyes simply because his analysis and his speeches are a magnitude stronger that anything GWB could deliver; you (and probably DNC as well) just do not want to be compared to Keyes.

That is sad. Un-patriotic too.

13 posted on 11/10/2001 9:51:04 AM PST by Symix
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To: Symix
I think you are just self-appointed, zealous "defenders" who attack Dr Keyes simply because his analysis and his speeches are a magnitude stronger that anything GWB could deliver; you (and probably DNC as well) just do not want to be compared to Keyes.

Oh, puh-LEEZE. I couldn't care less about your comparisons, or who you deem to be "un-patriotic". You don't know a thing about me, and you're leaping to some wild conclusions. I did not "attack" Keyes, and I resent being lumped in with the DNC simply because I don't see why George W. Bush should demonstrate loyalty that Keyes has not earned.

Worship him if you like. I don't appreciate his treatment of the President (who happens to be a Christian, also). If that causes you to draw some conclusion about my morality, have at it. It means nothing to me.

14 posted on 11/10/2001 10:16:43 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Gelato
I think you know very well that Alan Keyes' criticism of George W. Bush extends well beyond the stem cell issue. He has repeatedly condescended to the President since the campaign - and while the Keyes Fan Club believes Bush should erase it from his memory and make Keyes his right-hand man, I think that's an unrealistic expectation.

Alan Keyes is where he belongs, doing what he does best - shouting, pontificating, criticizing and grinning whenever he comes up for air. President Bush owes him nothing.

15 posted on 11/10/2001 10:26:20 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Symix
He would be a good one to head the RNC instead of Gilmore.

The chances of Alan Keyes being Chairman of the RNC are slim and None!

Regards,

TS

16 posted on 11/10/2001 10:29:38 AM PST by The Shrew
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To: Symix
I do not understand where all of you, Keyes bashers, find these alleged "shots" at GWB.

Oh, really. Try this one from a Keyes speech on August 25, discussing the Bush stem-cell financing decision:

"I sit in front of a decision like that and I say this is a decision where somebody sat down to figure out how much evil they could get away with".

That one still sticks in the craw of a lot of Bush supporters and made a lot of Keyes fans into former Keyes fans.

Alan Keyes is intelligent, articulate and has stong convictions but he was tepid with his support of G. W. Bush following his nomination and went on the attack soon after the inaugration. The stem-cell decision threw Keyes into a real snit and nothing has changed.

I support Keyes duty and right to voice his convictions and his criticisms of the President but to expect the Bush administration to give this man the time of day would be beyond naive. Keyes has taken an adversary position toward Bush and in my opinion, although Alan Keyes has a fine understanding of many issues as well as strong positions on them but he appears to have no real grasp of politics and serves more as a commentator than anything else. Unfortunately, his commentary is often against Bush or his policies in some way, so cooperation between these two men is probably not possible at this point.

I believe both are happier this way. Dr. Keyes is free to attack Bush where and when he sees fit and Bush gets on with his Presidency, ignoring Alan Keyes. Works for me.

17 posted on 11/10/2001 10:37:34 AM PST by Jim Scott
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To: Jim Scott
"I believe both are happier this way. Dr. Keyes is free to attack Bush where and when he sees fit and Bush gets on with his Presidency, ignoring Alan Keyes. Works for me."

Exactly. I am dumbfounded that anyone would expect Bush to embrace Keyes. He may be a great orator, but the man is a Bush-basher.

18 posted on 11/10/2001 10:49:55 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Worship him if you like. I don't appreciate his treatment of the President (who happens to be a Christian, also). If that causes you to draw some conclusion about my morality, have at it. It means nothing to me.

I'm glad we have Bush as President, and not Gore -- and I think it's safe to say his religion is not pretended like the Clintons' was. He seems to at least want to do what's right, most of the time.

However, it is disappointing -- to say the least -- that he wavered on the stem cell issue. He came close to doing the right thing, but in the end he tried too hard to please both sides. All Keyes has done is pointed out the inconsistencies in Bush's decision. That's where Keyes' criticism lies.

It's unfortunate that some have misunderstood this criticism to be a personal attack against Bush. But no matter what is said, it's just not true that Keyes ever bashed Bush. He has simply criticized him for waffling on the stem cell issue.

If you are pro-life, I hope you can understand the importance of this issue to Keyes. And I hope you realize it is something that we must defend at all times, even when we have a pro-life Republican in the White House. I’m sure if all pro-lifers had been firm in their pleas to Bush to not fund any stem cell research, it would’ve been easier for him to uphold it with no exceptions. But the pressure he got from the pro-life crowd to fund the research was apparently too great to ignore, and he obliged them.

We pro-lifers need to be firmer than that. Thank goodness we have Keyes to prick our consciences now and then.

19 posted on 11/10/2001 10:58:16 AM PST by Gelato
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To: Gelato
All Keyes has done is pointed out the inconsistencies in Bush's decision. That's where Keyes' criticism lies.

With all due respect, I don't believe this is true. I've seen and heard plenty of Alan Keyes - and he is by no stretch of the imagination a Bush supporter. All I am suggesting is that there is no reason why his competitive, condescending behavior should earn him a seat at the Bush conference table.

For the most part, I have no problem with him - although I think he is completely unelectable, divisive, and at times comes dangerously close to the Windbag Zone - I actually do enjoy him in certain contexts. Having said that, I believe Bush is absolutely right to ignore him.

Thanks for the reasoned response. I appreciate your disagreeing without insulting me personally.

20 posted on 11/10/2001 11:09:01 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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