Posted on 11/10/2001 6:34:55 AM PST by Keyes For President
Keep repeating Dr. Keyes! Take a drive around Potomac and keep repeating!
Thanks for you respect, likewise.
I think it's great that you care about Keyes' opinion enough to be a close watcher of his. But you'll have to have noticed that Keyes' criticism of Bush is nearly always limited to the stem cell decision. The only exception I've seen is way back in the China/spy-plane dilemma, when he was worried that we were giving in to China's demands in what was essentially a hostage situation.
But these are merely disagreements over the President's policies. I hope we don't think that speaking out against an offensive action by our President qualifies a person as a Bush-basher, or that when we disagree with our government official, we are taking personal "pot-shots."
I know in politics there is the tendency to think of things as a battle of personalities, like a high-school popularity contest. That, I think, puts us in situation where we care more about external things, such as how a guy looks or talks, rather than whether what that guy is advocating is good for the country.
That's a tendency we need to overcome if we are to prevent another Clinton-like presidency in the future, I believe.
Now, that statement is totally false. He admits his target is Christians and Jews. He's ramping up the Islam domination jihad that's been going on for 1400 years.
God, I wish he would leave the GOP and go to the Constitution Party....at least, they still say 'constitution', rather than leaving it in the outhouse like a Sears catalog.
Is Alan this naive regarding Islam?
He should read Belloc on the Islamic heresy, available on-line at EWTN.
Now, that statement is totally false. He admits his target is Christians and Jews. He's ramping up the Islam domination jihad that's been going on for 1400 years.
Yes, that's what bin Laden said he wanted to do, but not what he accomplished, isn't it? Bin Laden may see killing Americans as killing Christians and Jews, but the truth is, America is made up of a substantial number of Muslims and persons of other religious persuasion, too. The fact that bin Laden doesn't mind killing Muslim Americans shows that this is not the religious war he claims it is. His battle, in actuality, is against anyone who believes in liberty.
Again, we can't take bin Laden's bait and give the Muslims of the world any reason to believe America is against them. This war is for freedom, not against religion.
Here is a mild irony.
Keyes is supporting, in this article, the position of the US Government, headed by GWB.
We [the USA] have been adamant that we are not in war with Islam. Some folks have read this piece and said Keyes is a "Bush Basher." Some have said he is naive about Islam.
Go figure!
Best to you and all,
Richard F.
I don't know how much Keyes knows of Islam, but perhaps his position is not as naive as you think.
Personally, in my study of the Koran and the history of Islam, I've been surprised at how violent and authoritarian the religion is. And I can see where bin Laden gets his justification for his actions against us, since the Koran allows for the extermination of "infidels" under certain circumstances.
But the problem is, bin Laden has no authority to speak for Islam, or to issue a "fatwa" or "jihad" against anyone, just on his say-so. He has set himself up as a modern Mohammed, without any legitimacy. Thankfully, most Muslims--at least in the US--seem to recognize this fraud, and really do want to live in peace.
Bin Laden and his followers represent a minority of Islam. But if we take their bait, and start calling this a war on Islam, bin Laden's view will be accepted by the majority of Muslims, because it will then be true.
We cannot fall into the trap of thinking of the war in bin Laden's terms. This is a war for our political ideals--those ideals from our founding of universal God-given rights.
Golden Words, Gelato.
And Prudent ones.
Richard F.
Isn't Dr. Keyes saying what President Bush has been saying all along, i.e., this is not a war against Islam?
This is a fine thing, to disagree without insult. You might think about applying the same standard to your remarks about Keyes.
In any event, he and President Bush are on the same page about this war's not being a religious war. That might move us all to more moderate and kindly speech.
Best to you,
Richard F.
Well, yes. And I think it is true.
So now is a lovely moment for various Keyes haters to admit that he sometimes, when he thinks it true and wise, supports the stance of the administration.
I sit here, at my PC, fully confident that we will see many, many posts admitting this fact, and a great, and new, unity of conservatives on the issues of the war.
I also expect to win the lottery, and to see all my stocks double tomorrow!
Cheers,
Richard F.
Excuse me? Dad? This is a political forum. I can, and I will, be honest about my observations regarding Alan Keyes. The first thing that happened on this thread when I dared to suggest that President Bush was not obligated to give him a job was - guess what - an insult directed at me by a Keyes supporter. (In other words, you might think about applying some consistency to your remarks.)
I think you are just self-appointed, zealous "defenders" who attack Dr Keyes simply because his analysis and his speeches are a magnitude stronger that anything GWB could deliver; you (and probably DNC as well) just do not want to be compared to Keyes. That is sad. Un-patriotic too.
I think it mild, and it is not from me.
In fact, I don't agree with it.
Now, to return to sweeter things, don't you in fact agree with the position Keyes takes in the column? And isn't it the position of the US Government?
And isn't that more important than our various disagreements?
Best to you, and for America,
Richard F.
What makes you say that? All Keyes has done is criticize Bush, even to the point of calling him "evil."
Although you may regard me as such, I do not regard myself as a "Keyes hater". As I've said numerous times before, I thought enough of Dr. Keyes to vote for him in 1996 and 2000. I have, however, become increasingly exasperated with some of his public statements since the election.
Yes, Dr. Keyes does seem to be supporting the same position as the administration. Just a thought -- and I'm sure you'll think it's nit-picking -- but he might have made a little headway against those who say he's always "Bush-bashing" if he'd just added "As our President has said," in front of "The war against terrorism is not a war against Islam."
It's a small thing, but one that would have made it abundantly clear that in this case, because "he thinks it true and wise", he's supporting the position of the administration.
Hey don't you know that if you're against Keyes than you are unprincipled? That's how everyone who comes out against Keyes is labeled; including myself.
And there are those who question why Bush isn't using him?
Give me a break... It's as clear why as the nose on my own face.
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