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Al-Qaeda nukes may have reached US shores
The Frontier Post ^ | 11/10/2001 | The Frontier Post

Posted on 11/10/2001 10:07:57 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour

Al-Qaeda nukes may have reached US shores

UNGA session possible terror target

Naveed Miraj

Updated on 11/10/2001 11:33:53 AM

ISLAMABAD: Pakistani and American investigators converge that Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network may have successfully transported several nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons of mass destruction to the United States, The Frontier Post learnt Friday.

Already on high alert, United States security officials are having sleepless nights that Al Qaeda can strike in New York again on the occasion of United Nations General Assembly session.

Investigators from Pakistan’s ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) and American FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) and CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) are jointly probing into the possibilities of Al Qaeda possessing nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.

They have reached a conclusion that at least two briefcase nuclear weapons may have reached the US shores, sources close to these investigators revealed to this scribe.

The investigators have been able to identify at least one briefcase weapon acquired by Al Qaeda from Central Asian rogue groups.

The weapon identified is small 8-kilogram device that carries at least 2 kg of fissionable plutonium and uranium.

The device, of Russian make, carries a serial number 9999 and manufacturing date October 1988.

The design of the device is simple.

The radioactive materials consist of Uranium and Plutonium both kept in separate compartments.

At the top of the two compartments is placed the charging mechanism.

The charging mechanism can be activated through a timer or even through a cell phone command.

Besides nuclear devices, a chemical and a biological weapon have also been identified to be in the hands of Al Qaeda activists.

They are said to be in possession of at least 70 capsules, also of Russian origin, containing a very lethal biological agent.

Broken in a crowded place, this capsule can cause deaths on a huge scale.

It melts human body meat to the bone.

Another chemical agent in the hands of Al Qaeda operators is called Vipera Lebentina Venema.

A derivative of snake poisons, this venom developed in USSR attacks through skin.

Most probable way of using this agent is through mail as with Anthrax.

US security agencies are already on high alert and realise that Al Qaeda can strike in New York again on the occasion of UN General Assembly.

Analysis of the recent statements released by Osama bin Laden carried out by US agencies has shown that the terrorist network can pick up an important occasion like the UN General Assembly session to retaliate against US strikes on Afghanistan.


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Sounds nasty...

Anyone know this Frontier Post?

Is it reliable?

1 posted on 11/10/2001 10:07:57 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
'Sounds nasty...'

What REALLY sounds nasty is that Bill Clinton thinks we deserve to get bombed for stuff someone else did 100 years ago. We know who the enemy is, it is just a question of punishing them.

2 posted on 11/10/2001 10:14:56 AM PST by Darheel
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The weapon identified is small 8-kilogram device that carries at least 2 kg of fissionable plutonium and uranium. The device, of Russian make, carries a serial number 9999 and manufacturing date October 1988. The design of the device is simple. The radioactive materials consist of Uranium and Plutonium both kept in separate compartments.

I think this is utter, complete BS. Read "The Making of the Atom Bomb" and other common sources. In particular, pay attention to how difficult controlled implosions were to acheive.

Uranium or Plutonium. Can't make up their mind?

carries a serial number 9999

Umm, yeah, sure.

4 posted on 11/10/2001 10:31:42 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Gorzaloon
As I understand Nukes, Plutonium is only used in a Fussion Device not a Fission Device. The data is flawed; as is the report. I also understand that the Soviet So-Called "Suite Case Bombs" required constant upkeep to feep them functional.
5 posted on 11/10/2001 10:46:04 AM PST by Jack of Diamonds
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
These guys sense the end game is quickly approaching for them. They are striking out with fear. Their threat to use nukes (or bio) if we nukes (or bio) means only one thing: they are well entrenched in deep caves and know the only thing that will take them out without the fight they want is a nuke (or bio/chem). They intend to go down with their own initiated big bang. But not without first causing on-the-ground troop losses to go up with them. I say, nuke (orbio/chem) the b*stards in the hills with small scale tactical nukes or bio/chem. If they really do have nukes here, NOTHING will stop them from using them anyway. This is a battle of time. The sooner they get them, the sooner they will use them. we need to eliminate ALL of these organizations and countries that support this mentality. It is us or them. Let's roll.
6 posted on 11/10/2001 11:00:32 AM PST by Liberals are Evil Socialists!
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To: Jack of Diamonds
As I understand Nukes, Plutonium is only used in a Fussion Device not a Fission Device

You understand incorrectly. Either can be used in a fission device. The first atomic bomb, the Trinity device, was a plutonium fission device. Of the next two, used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, one was a uranium bomb, the other a plutonium one. In a thermonuclear, that is fusion, bomb, a fission bomb is the trigger for the fusion bomb, and could be of either type, but I think most are plutonium. A three stage device may have a non fisionable uranium outerlayer, that is converted to a fissionable material by the actions of the neutrons from the fusion stage. The latter is nasty, dirty, very powerfull, and probably way too big for a suitcase device.

However use of both plutonium and uranium in a single device, other than a 3 stage one, doesn't seem likely, but them I'm no expert, and if I was, I wouldn't be able to tell you anyway.

7 posted on 11/10/2001 11:19:48 AM PST by El Gato
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
It melts human body meat to the bone.

If nothing else gave it away as a goofball piece, this surely did. Sounds like something out of the e-mail urban legend bin.

8 posted on 11/10/2001 11:20:11 AM PST by watchin
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Frontier Post? Is it reliable?

It's a Pakistani site(.pk), 'nuff said.

9 posted on 11/10/2001 11:21:09 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Jack of Diamonds
Plutonium was used in one of the earliest fission bombs. Fusion bombs are set off by a fission trigger, which can be Uranium or Plutonium.

If Al-Qaeda has nukes, it figures that they would already be over here, since there is considerable evidence that the terrorist strikes against the Trade Towers culminated five or ten years of planning. And there's no reason to think they don't, considering the number of warheads around when the Soviet Union collapsed, and the huge amounts of money Bin Ladin has to buy these things.

It would make me feel better if the FBI, CIA, and INS hadn't been severely compromised during the clinton years, loaded down at the top levels with ignorant, corrupt, and incompetent people. They are STILL fiddling around trying to figure a way to blame the anthrax attacks on the Right-to-Life movement, following their little domestic agendas, while our country could be on the verge of catastrophe.

10 posted on 11/10/2001 11:22:50 AM PST by Cicero
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To: Gorzaloon
pay attention to how difficult controlled implosions were to acheive

But a gun type device is relatively easy, which separate compartments sounds kinda, sorta like. Still you are probably right, complete BS. The dual material types just doesn't sit right..Unless one of them is the real bomb, and the other is radioactive stuff to get spread around, but that doesn't seem likely either.

11 posted on 11/10/2001 11:24:14 AM PST by El Gato
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To: smarticus
Who do we hit with OUR nukes? Egypt? It's leading Muslim leader has issued a fatwa AGAINST OBL. Syria? It's a member of the coalition against terrorism and the UN Security Council. Palestine? GWB hasn't built it yet and too close to Isreal. Iraq? No proof of involvement and most Iraqis hate Saddam. Jordan and Turkey? They are supplying troops to us. Afghanistan? the Taliban are too close to civilains and Pakistan. So who do we hit?
12 posted on 11/10/2001 11:25:53 AM PST by garycooper
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Maybe someone can clear up something for me.
Isn't plutonium and weapons grade uranium extremely radioactive? If so, How is it shielded in a suitcase sized device of reasonable weight.
It seems to me that anyone spending any time around one would be committing suicide. Not only that, but the device would be emitting a 'signature' making its presence known.
Am I wrong?
13 posted on 11/10/2001 11:36:25 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: garycooper

14 posted on 11/10/2001 12:45:58 PM PST by watchin
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
They are said to be in possession of at least 70 capsules, also of Russian origin, containing a very lethal biological agent.

Broken in a crowded place, this capsule can cause deaths on a huge scale.

It melts human body meat to the bone.

Not that I don't doubt this article (ok, I totally doubt it), but what exactly would this be?

15 posted on 11/10/2001 12:52:57 PM PST by Nate505
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To: watchin
"If nothing else gave it away as a goofball piece, this surely did. Sounds like something out of the e-mail urban legend bin."

OTOH, a common description of EBOLA is that it dissolves human tissue. Maybe not technically accurate, but certainly descriptive.

16 posted on 11/10/2001 1:47:50 PM PST by sonofagun
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To: Cicero
"It would make me feel better if the FBI, CIA, and INS hadn't been severely compromised during the clinton years, loaded down at the top levels with ignorant, corrupt, and incompetent people. They are STILL fiddling around trying to figure a way to blame the anthrax attacks on the Right-to-Life movement, following their little domestic agendas, while our country could be on the verge of catastrophe."

EXCELLENT POINT The presence of the huge quantity of Clintonian liberal fools in key national security positions at this time is an extreme grave national security threat. Not only do these morons limit the effectiveness of the agencies we ALL depend upon, but since Bush hasn't done much to 'clean house', the positions they fill are not even accessable to the 'voice of reason'.

17 posted on 11/10/2001 3:05:49 PM PST by God_isa_Jew
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To: watchin
"...melts human body meat to the bone."

Human body meat?!?!??? Hey Wait Just A DARN Minute!!!!! That's the kind I have!!!!!! ROFL

Yes I believe you're right. A sentence like that isn't exactly the hallmark of serious reporting, is it?

18 posted on 11/10/2001 3:17:52 PM PST by WarrenC
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To: Jack of Diamonds
"As I understand Nukes, Plutonium is only used in a Fussion Device not a Fission Device. The data is flawed; as is the report. I also understand that the Soviet So-Called "Suite Case Bombs" required constant upkeep to feep them functional."

I believe that the bomb dropped on Nagasaki was a plutonium fission device. The Hiroshima bomb was uranium.

19 posted on 11/10/2001 3:37:13 PM PST by Neanderthal
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To: Vinnie
Maybe someone can clear up something for me. Isn't plutonium and weapons grade uranium extremely radioactive? If so, How is it shielded in a suitcase sized device of reasonable weight. It seems to me that anyone spending any time around one would be committing suicide. Not only that, but the device would be emitting a 'signature' making its presence known. Am I wrong?

U235 emits gamma rays at .185 and .204 MeV. Pu239 emits gamma at a whole series of energies from .039 to .77 MeV.

In addition to this, spontaneuos decay of subcritical fuels assemblies make such a device thermally HOT to handle.

I would be more concerned with a cargo container than a suitcase. Yes, we can make tactical warheads in the kiloton range fit in an artillery projectile, BUT:

1: We have been researching these warheads with nearly unlimited resources for fifty+ Years.

2: Realistically we can survive fifty hits with these..we are a BIG country. And we have one warhead for every WTC Victim!

And then we would have a hunting license, the moral authority to use it, and our revenge would be fierce and absolutely total.

20 posted on 11/11/2001 5:33:56 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Gorzaloon; Snow Bunny
bump
21 posted on 11/12/2001 12:24:21 AM PST by t-shirt
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Sorry to say but this is believable. They probably do have nukes already here in the US.

Heard expert on radio, he believes they will strike again but in their typical way of bomb blast to buildings etc.

22 posted on 11/12/2001 3:57:54 AM PST by Lady GOP
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To: Combat Override Button
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23 posted on 11/12/2001 4:01:40 AM PST by Lady GOP
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

24 posted on 11/12/2001 4:03:07 AM PST by Scutter
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To: Dan from Michigan; RaceBannon; Angelique
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25 posted on 11/12/2001 4:03:56 AM PST by Lady GOP
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26 posted on 11/12/2001 4:06:40 AM PST by Lady GOP
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27 posted on 11/12/2001 4:14:41 AM PST by Lady GOP
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Blast Mapper


28 posted on 11/12/2001 4:20:31 AM PST by Lady GOP
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
"Anyone know this Frontier Post? Is it reliable?"

I've been reading and posting from that paper. No, it's not reliable. The paper is interesting for precisely the reason that it prints these scare stories like US tabloids print stories about UFOs. Not to mention the Frontier Post is based in Peshawar, a border town that has been sympathetic to the Taliban.


29 posted on 11/12/2001 4:22:55 AM PST by Harp
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To: Lady GOP
Our concern is not the damage, but the down wind contamination which will last only 2 to 3 weeks.

That and the panic that will ensue.

30 posted on 11/12/2001 4:31:53 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Harp
For what its worth.

Paper Says Bin Laden Claims He Has Nuclear Weapons
Source: Reuters via The New York Times
Published: November 9, 2001

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan's respected Dawn newspaper said on Saturday Osama bin Laden, in an interview inside Afghanistan, said he had nuclear and chemical weapons and might use them to respond to U.S. attacks.

``I wish to declare that if America used chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we may retort with chemical and nuclear weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent,'' the newspaper quoted bin Laden as telling a well-known Pakistani journalist in Afghanistan on Wednesday night.

31 posted on 11/12/2001 4:34:48 AM PST by Lady GOP
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To: Harp; RaceBannon

Apocalypse now? "Dozens of Russia's nuclear weapons are missing"

Interesting

32 posted on 11/12/2001 4:40:31 AM PST by Lady GOP
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To: Darheel
I wonder if we could somehow tie Bimbo Crusher's access to any money to his hourly service on a bomb disposal squad as their point person [being as "man" is inappropriate a term for him].
33 posted on 11/12/2001 4:48:16 AM PST by Quix
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To: watchin
I really do expect Mecca to undergo a dramatic transformation--probably from supernatural intervention(s). Hope I'm right. Will be interesting to see how they explain it, if I am.
34 posted on 11/12/2001 4:49:41 AM PST by Quix
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it doesn't have to be true , it only needs to scare. that's what terrorism is all about , charlie Brown
35 posted on 11/12/2001 4:51:44 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: Lady GOP
Did you notice there were no sources for the story? Meanwhile they can come up with the serial number and the name of a specific chemical weapon that no one has heard of . . .

Did you notice they didn't quote any experts regarding how serious these "reports" they've gathered are? No. Nobody in the article says how credible the new variety of bio-chem stuff is or how likely it is that nuclear material has already come over and been made into a bomb.

Personally, I like reading these stories just to see how loony things can get in the Pak press (and the Frontier Post in particular), but be careful with taking them too seriously. At the very least be cautious with "news" from this paper.

36 posted on 11/12/2001 5:01:59 AM PST by Harp
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To: Lady GOP
If they have nukes in this country NOW, they can either use them NOW, or not at all, as nuclear weapons are tempermental precision instruments, where a LOT of things have to happen in a certain sequence to generate what Marvin the Martian called "the earth-shattering KABOOM!" And it's extremely unlikely that Al-Qaeda would have the logistics infrastructure in place to provide the frequent maintenance a nuke requires--particularly a suitcase nuke.

Also, the figures cited for the nuke are bogus--all-up weight only 17.6 pounds? Yeah, right...

37 posted on 11/12/2001 5:08:38 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Vinnie
Isn't plutonium and weapons grade uranium extremely radioactive? If so, How is it shielded in a suitcase sized device of reasonable weight.

That's the problem. They are not 'hot'. Plutonium is an Alpha emitter and you can block the radiation quite literally with a piece of cardboard. You can hold plutonium in a gloved hand and not be exposed. You just don't want to inhale or digest the stuff. Highly radioactive material is typically a fision by-product (stuff that results from a fission reaction) like cobalt that requires heavy shielding.

38 posted on 11/12/2001 5:12:16 AM PST by Ditto
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To: El Gato
"but them I'm no expert, and if I was, I wouldn't be able to tell you anyway."

Well, you sound pretty DARN close to an expert to me! :)

39 posted on 11/12/2001 5:18:15 AM PST by walden
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To: Jack of Diamonds
As I understand Nukes, Plutonium is only used in a Fussion Device not a Fission Device.

Then your understanding is wrong. The bomb dropped on Nagasaki was a fission device using plutonium. Plutonium is also used in triggers for fusion devices, but that isn't the only use. Nevertheless, this report has so many holes it can't be taken seriously.

40 posted on 11/12/2001 5:27:37 AM PST by 6ppc
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
This sounds like utter crap. What kind of agent melts flesh to the bone? Also, a fractional crit weapon would be difficult to maintain. Serial number 9999? Please.
41 posted on 11/12/2001 5:31:20 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Lady GOP; The Magical Mischief Tour
Thanks for the ping! My thought about today's airline crash is although there may be increased security about boarding the plane, and the cockpit doors, what about ground service crews?
42 posted on 11/12/2001 2:58:17 PM PST by Angelique
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