Posted on 11/12/2001 4:11:46 AM PST by SJackson
"MUSLIMS make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country," said President Bush shortly after September 11, noting that they are "doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads." He later added that "there are millions of good Americans who practice the Muslim faith who love their country as much as I love the country, who salute the flag as strongly as I salute the flag."
These soothing words were clearly appropriate for a moment of tension and mounting bias against Muslims living in the United States. And it is absolutely true that the number of militant Islamic operatives with plans to carry out terrorist attacks on the United States is a statistically tiny proportion of the Muslim population as a whole.
But the situation is more complex than the president would have it. The Muslim population is not like any other, for it harbors a substantial body -- one many times larger than the agents of Osama bin Laden -- that has worrisome aspirations for the United States. Although not responsible for the atrocities in September, this militant Islamic element shares important goals with the suicide hijackers: both despise the United States and ultimately wish to transform it into a Muslim country.
However bizarre this goal, the killing of five thousand Americans requires that it be noted and seriously considered.
Ambitions to take over the United States are hardly new. In fact, the first Islamic missionary from abroad unblushingly declared in the 1920s, "Our plan is, we are going to conquer America." Such hopes have become more commonplace in recent years. Some examples, as articulared by leading figures:
Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh convicted of planning a "day of rage" by blowing up New York buildings and infrastructure, in 1991 called on Muslims to "conquer the land of the infidels."
A native-born American who converted to Islam and helped fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, proclaimed that "it is the duty of all Muslims to complete the march of jihad [holy war] until we reach America and liberate her."
Siraj Wahaj, the first imam to deliver a Muslim prayer for the U.S. House of Representatives, holds that if Muslims unite, they could elect their own leader as president; "take my word, if 6-8 million Muslims unite in America, the country will come to us."
Isma'il Al-Faruqi, the first academic theorist of a United States-made-fundamentalist-Muslim, argued in 1983 that "Nothing could be greater than this youthful, vigorous, and rich continent [of North America] turning away from its past evil and marching forward under the banner of Allahu Akbar [G-d is great]."
Zaid Shakir, formerly the Muslim chaplain at Yale University, believes the Koran "pushes us in the exact opposite direction as the forces ... at work in the American political spectrum" and from this argues that Muslims cannot accept the legitimacy of the existing order.
Masudul Alam Choudhury, a Canadian professor of business, matter-of-factly advocates the "Islamization agenda in North America."
Ahmad Nawfal, Jordanian who spoke often at American rallies a few years ago, says that if fundamentalist Muslims stand up, "it will be very easy for us to preside over this world once again."
Shamim A. Siddiqi wrote a book on establishing "Islamic rule" in the United States, with the goal of Muslims creating "a strong lobby in Washington for the promotion of Islam ... in this country as well as elsewhere in the world."
Some organizations also express a hope that one day Muslims will take over in the United States. The International Institute of Islamic Thought in Herndon, Virginia, aims for nothing less than "the Islamization of the humanities and the social sciences." Just one month after the September 11 atrocities, a delegate at the San Jose convention of the American Muslim Alliance, a militant Islamic group, announced: "By the year 2020, we should have an American Muslim president of the United States."
While there is no reason to suppose that the aspiration to replace the Constitution with Islamic law will succeed, that this goal can be found among fundamentalist Muslims does have a major implication.
It means that the existing order - religious freedom, secularism, women's rights - can no longer be taken for granted. It now needs to be fought for.
Now this is what I say to the people making these threats: In A Pig's Eye!!!! You're Epitaph's Will Read: You Tried To Conquer America and FAILED!!!! You Would Be Conquerors will BE EXTERMINATED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!!! This is not a Threat To You, It Will become FACTS!!!! We Have Had Enough Of YOU TERRORISTS PERIOD! You're Time Is SHORT!!!!
Let's face it, Muslims who aspire to world domination are not doing very well in the modern world.
They oppress and weaken their own people, and most often are fighting each other and their own governments..and the power of western influence in their own countries.
Look at the way the rallying cry for a Muslim vs west conflict by Osama was rejected by every single govt of even so-called Muslim nations.
Iran is an example of how the desire for freedom, liberty and opportunity has young people rebelling against the oppressive restrictions of Islamic rule.
They simply cannot compete against the west.
I don't beleive for one minute that they ever had a chance at "Conquering America", and after the events of Sept 11, and Osama's insane rantings...the reputation, influence and unity of Muslims has been severly damaged all the more.
Not only because we dominate them in every aspect, militarily, socially, financially and yes, EVEN CULTURALLY! (I know that offends some, but its the truth, and it is that cultural dominance and the reasons for it that are why they cannot win.) but because they do not even offer an alternative, like the verse of a contemporary country western song "then what?" If by some miracle of incomprehensible size should happen and america were to be defeated... Then What Bin Laden? Then what? You see you do not offer visions of the future, or of improvement, but visioins of destruction and terror. You don't have a goal or dream or desire to drive yourselfs to the future, just desperate hatred and cowardice and desires to destroy... you have no great pheonix to rise from the ashes of the carnage, the carnage is your only destination, and that alone will never be enough to cause it to come to pass.
The US Culture has its down side, just like all things, but the fundamentals of the american culture is opportunity and growth and freedom. Every american is free to better themselves, regardless of gender, or race or religion... The only limit upon them is the limit they themselves accept or place. Our women do not walk 3 paces behind the men, we don't genitally mutiliate girls at birth, we force our mothers and daughters into hiding and not allow them to participate.... we don't (despite what some leaders may believe) limit the growth or dreams of anyone... From our melting pot great men and women of all creeds, religions and colors have rose to help make our land and our world a better place... in your world, this will never happen because division and hatred is all you have.
You're right. I think Pipes is warning us of our corresponding responsibility to be vigilant in defence of our freedom. He references an"...Islamic missionary from abroad unblushingly declared in the 1920s, "Our plan is, we are going to conquer America." This can be done from within, as well as through external attacks. You're right, this is not a short term threat, but we must be aware of it. I'd feel much better if those loyal Americans of the Islamic faith, and they are many, would speak out more.
Yeah... what he said!!
Several of those in custody are being held under the Sedition Act. It's back
LLAN-DDEUSANT: I don't know whether to laugh or to actually worry that some Americans actually feel the slightest bit of threat about this.
Don't laugh. 5000 fewer Americans have the opportunity to feel threatened, or not, than a few months ago.
So who else is? It's interesting to me that you cannot accept the reality that it is the Judaeo Christian West that has brought the beauty liberating human thought to the world...not Mohamedanism or Communism!
You're Osama Bin Laden's favorite poster at FreeRepublic. He likes everything you have to say here.
Excuse me?! Where do you get a conclusion about what I do or don't accept? You better read what I said again, it said nothing that would even imply such a thing. Try thinking.
OK, they contribute, but the second one of the SOB's decides he wants to kill me, he opens the islam hunting season.
With Bush so eager to embrace the Muslims, one has to wonder how he stands on this thing.
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