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GOP Was the Real Victim in Fla. Vote
LA Times ^ | 11/12/01 | John R. Lott Jr. and James K. Glassman

Posted on 11/12/2001 4:22:40 AM PST by WxMan2000

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

But if spoiled ballots do indicate disenfranchisement, then the new data show that, by a dramatic margin, the group most victimized in the Florida voting was African American Republicans.


(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2000election; 200111; acorn; blacklash; deneenborelli; florida; floridarecount; freedomworks; gorewar; project21
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Clink on the link for the full article....an interesting read. We'll NEVER here this from Terry McAuliffe..
1 posted on 11/12/2001 4:22:40 AM PST by WxMan2000
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To: WxMan2000
The events reported that supposedly led to disenfranchised voters has been exposed as a fraud and lies. It is a non-issue.
2 posted on 11/12/2001 4:30:35 AM PST by WOOHOO
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To: JohnHuang2
How do you do that mass mailing linky dink thingie? I LOVE this article....the most interesting twist on the Florida vote count..really an interesting read!!

LOL as I remember Mary Frances Berry and her Civil Rights Commission hearings on the Florida vote!!

I'm almost glad Clinton sneaked her in for another term as chairman of the Civil Rights Voting Commission, just so she can continue to make a fool out of herself.

And don't forget Allan J. Lichtman. He was a willing pawn in perpetuating the lies Berry, the Florida Democratic Party, Gore/Lieberman, and the national media tried sell to the American people.

4 posted on 11/12/2001 4:42:59 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: semper_libertas
From the article:

These results take into account a wide range of factors that influence spoiled-ballot rates, including education, gender, income, age, number of absentee votes, voting-machine type, ballot type and whether votes were counted at the precinct or centrally.

What I want to know is how this information is available when looking at the ballots and making decisions. I thought we had "secret" ballots in this country.

5 posted on 11/12/2001 4:48:14 AM PST by basil
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To: WxMan2000
In addition, we found that the overall rate of spoiled ballots was 14% higher when the county election supervisor was a Democrat, and 31% higher when the supervisor was an African American Democrat.

Whoa! I'd love to have someone do an investigation and explain why this is the case. But if anyone did, they'd be branded as a racist, to be sure.

6 posted on 11/12/2001 4:49:54 AM PST by randita
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To: WxMan2000
If the election officials had to determine the intent of the voters, would it not follow that the voters should now determine the intent of the media in conducting a pseudo recount.
7 posted on 11/12/2001 4:50:21 AM PST by chainsaw
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To: WxMan2000
wow......a fair article...I am rather surprised.
8 posted on 11/12/2001 4:55:09 AM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: WxMan2000
The most interesting fact from this story is that African-American Republicans were 50 times more likely to have an overvote (i.e. both Gore and Bush punched) that AA Dems. This is strong circumstantial evidence that ballots were tampered with by election officials, such as inserting a metal wire through the "Gore" hole in a stack of cards, thereby invalidating all Bush votes.

This explains a couple things. One, how there were so many "hanging chads" for Gore. And two, why the dems never asked that overvotes be counted.

10 posted on 11/12/2001 5:02:40 AM PST by TomB
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To: TomB
Ref: your #10. Good point, because if they had asked for the overvotes to be examined then the question of election fraud would have been raised without a doubt. I think that is what was behind Baker's always veiled references to "mischief." He was warning the dems away from that scenario, and in the final analysis, it could have been the fear of having that exposed that kept Gore at bay rather than a stupid reliance on the undervotes. Hmmm.. Food for thought, no?

regards

11 posted on 11/12/2001 5:07:40 AM PST by okiedust
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To: WxMan2000
This SHOULD be the lead story in every TV news show today -- because it's the ultimate 'man bites dog' story -- but I expect that it will be conspicuously ignored.
12 posted on 11/12/2001 5:11:16 AM PST by WL-law
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To: WileyCoyote22
Do ya suppose W has the goods on them and their rigged election and gave them the choice to either stop the nonsense or get exposed for the frauds that they are ?

Now THERE'S a thought.

My personal opinion is that the "overvotes" were caused by someone pushing a spike through the "Gore" hole on ballots (and that the PBC "Buchanan" mis-votes were caused by a person/people running the spike through the wrong hole, which they discovered AFTER they had put a bunch of them into the ballot box. Since they couldn't get those ballots back, they started riling up the old folks and screaming about the butterfly ballot. IMHO.) either before or after people voted. All Gore votes would be unaffected, but everyone else's votes would become "overvotes." This may also explain the dimpled and hanging chads, but I think that those more likely came from putting multiple ballots into a voting machine before punching.

Anyhow, I'm just a hippie chick sitting at home on my couch - if I can figure this stuff out, I would hope that our President's team did, too. Maybe they DO have the goods on the massive fraud that I really believe took place in this past election.

13 posted on 11/12/2001 5:12:13 AM PST by small_l_libertarian
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To: TomB
Unfortunatly, this article nor anyone else is going to bring up alligations of vote tampering. In fact Terry McAwful and the DemocRATs insist that it's the GOP that deals in vote fraud.
14 posted on 11/12/2001 5:16:45 AM PST by SolitaryMan
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To: TomB
This is strong circumstantial evidence that ballots were tampered with by election officials, such as inserting a metal wire through the "Gore" hole in a stack of cards, thereby invalidating all Bush votes.

Nail on the head, sir!

In other words, it is the isolated fact of being a Republican that makes an African American vastly more likely to have his or her ballot declared invalid.
This is just a sad example of the liberal left's attempt to keep the Presidency at any rate. They would disenfranchise their own mother if it would gain them one more vote.
15 posted on 11/12/2001 5:18:50 AM PST by callisto
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To: WxMan2000
Resolved: African American Republicans are smarter, as a group, than African American Democrats. I think this is true and demographic information shows that black republicans, like white republicans are more upwardly mobile.

If this proposition is true, how to explain black republicans being _50_ times more likely to overvote.

Only fraud can explain this.

I also want to echo what someone else has said: How do they seperate Republican ballots from Democrat ballots so they can know these things.
16 posted on 11/12/2001 5:50:19 AM PST by BillCompton
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To: TomB
I've asked for this a half dozen times on this forum; does any body have proof that only 10% of blacks voted for Bush?
17 posted on 11/12/2001 7:08:15 AM PST by big bad easter bunny
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To: WxMan2000
From the article:

These results are disturbing. They show that, if there was a concerted effort to prevent votes from being counted in Florida, that effort was directed at Republicans, not at African Americans.

This conclusion conforms with another fact that the new data reveal: Among white voters, Republicans were much more likely than Democrats to have spoiled ballots.

Yep, the demonRATS can't win the hearts and minds of Americans, so they misuse the courts and they steal elections.

18 posted on 11/12/2001 7:20:27 AM PST by freedomcrusader
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To: WxMan2000
The most disenfranchised/victimized group from the Florida election was the block of panhandle voters who turned around and went home befreo voting, because the major media outlets all called the state for Gore.

Anyone know those numbers? Did any of the articles even mention it?

19 posted on 11/12/2001 7:21:30 AM PST by irish guard
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To: WxMan2000
This is the biggest story of the day, IMHO. Black Republicans ballots were invalidated by Dem. headed precincts. This story must be added to the USCCR's racist report.
20 posted on 11/12/2001 9:09:42 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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