Posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:02 PM PST by AmericaUnited
October 4, 2001 Neotropolis - Dallas Texas
Dallas Gathering Thursday Night
The Spirit of the Lord says “ This is the best time of your life, Now that you’ve gotten on your knees and prayed, I am going to change everything for you. It’s not going to be a long drawn out war, It’s going to be a swift war that I am going to win for you.”
“ This is not going to be a drawn out thing, even though it’s been prognosticated to be a drawn out thing. You will take a while to find those that are hidden in their holes”.
“ I am not going to waste your time and your money, which is valuable to me, says the Lord. I am not going to let you waste billions and trillions of dollars so that you can find out how well it is to win the war. You’ve won wars in the past. You’ve won wars for hundreds of years. Why would you take too long to go through the same thing that happened 20 years ago?” God says, “No, it’s not going to happen. It’s going to be a swift thing. And when I do it,” says the Lord, “I am going to cut off your enemy and I am going to raise up righteousness in this nation.”
“And I’ll tell you why”, says the Sprit of the Lord, “Because there are traitors within the groups. There are traitors within the groups and they shall betray one another. America won’t have to do a thing. The Spirit of Judas has seized and gotten a hold of some of the greedy men that have perpetrated this against the United States of America. I want you to understand that they will betray each other for just a little bit of money. America won’t even have to go and root them out. And they will bring them to you. Your enemies will bow before you. Why? Because I will honor you because of your prayers to me.” says the Lord. “One shall die before he can reach this nation. But let it not be concerning to you,” says the Lord. “For there is a greater purpose that I have. For even those who planned and purposed to do this thing for they will scatter” says the Lord. “For it was not only the disciples that scattered that day, but their disciples will also scatter on that day. For there will be surrender, surrender, surrender, surrender. Four times there will be surrenders.
And because of the surrenders America shall rejoice. But then suddenly there shall be bad news. And then the people shall sway just for a moment. But fear not says the Lord, for once again there shall be an act of betrayal which will cause one and then another which is in a high place to fall and fall so strongly. Why? Because even as I stood outside of Capernaum and I said, “You that have raised yourself, Prince of Capernaum, I enter the heavens, you shall be brought down to hell” and they say to him, they saw Satan fall like lightning from the heaven.” And God says “And God says the spirits of this age that have come against my people will fall from a lofty place. And I will stand with you and rejoice,” says the Lord. “Into the early part of next year, you will see my glory,” says the Lord. “For they have said, “Will America stay on her knees? Or is this just a short lived repentance and a short lived moment?” But God says “There will yet be your enemies that will survive. And there will be those that will keep prayer in their hearts. Did I not say that I would unite every culture and every race within this country? Therefore it is not a short-lived thing, (The people’s need for God). I am not saying “the people’s need for religion”. It’s the people’s need for God. And you will not take religion and give it to them. You will take God and give it to them. For I will introduce myself to America as I did three hundred years ago. I will introduce myself as the God of salvation, the God of grace, the God of Deliverance and the God of mercy. Fear not for I am going to bring you back to the place that you have been and this shall go on for 20 to 30 years where people will rejoice because of the victory that God gave this great nation. “For America,” the Lord says, “You are once again great because I have made you great.”
Kim Prophesies:
There will be at least one person in every home in the United States of America who will come to salvation in the next 12 months. That’s a promise of the Lord!
So can we assume you're saying that "false prophets" are engaging in evil conduct deserving of stoning, also?
That he's a false prophet:
Kim Clement is one of the most active (and most heretical) of the modern-day "prophets" setting up a Global Church. I use the word heretical because in the strict sense of that word, Kim Clement does deviate from the correct interpretation of the scriptures on the foundational elements of our faith.
On Kim Clement's own website, he denies the born-again experience of John Chapter 3. He also states that evangelists are scaring people to commit to Jesus by telling them they are going to hell, rather than opening them up to their inner potential.
He believes (as do the Gnostics) that each person is born with a hidden treasure in their spirit, which can be unlocked and developed if he/she sees the possibilities. You should read his entire article to get an understanding of his teaching as a whole, but here are some extracts:
Many have questioned my doctrine and what I believe because of my strong feeling of disgust toward the escapism teaching. [The Rapture] ...The book of Revelation is the revelation of Jesus Christ, not the revelation of Satan...
After an extensive study on the life of Jesus, I found that the way He reached people was to unveil their spiritual eyes to see the potential beauty that could be released if they followed Him. For example, after Jesus spoke life to Nathaniel he fell down and worshiped Him. Jesus spoke about the Kingdom of God opening and angels ascending and descending hereafter. The Kingdom of God was inside of Nathaniel; therefore Jesus had unlocked the spirit of that man and given him access to the Kingdom within.
In Luke 5, ... Peter fell on his knees and repented saying, "Depart from me for I am a sinful man". Not once did Jesus mention Peter’s sin, nor did He try to coax him into following Him based on his going to Hell or being eternally damned.
I know how a sinner feels because I have been one. ... Only when I was introduced to Jesus did I become aware of the fact that I had something precious in my spirit. When I met Him, I felt good about myself. I was aware of the fact that I had to change, but what was fascinating was that I felt like I could become a new creation when I met Him. My spirit was dead unto sin, but once I was alive in Christ, I had access to the treasure within me. What is this treasure within me? The treasure within me is my pre-ordained destiny and my inheritance. This was the inheritance that Jesus granted to me at the cross, based upon my acceptance of His sacrifice.
I do not believe that you must be born again to obtain salvation. ...The Bible clearly tells us that "whosoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved" and "whosoever believes on Him shall have everlasting life." When Nicodemus approached Jesus, he came with a hungry heart declaring that "no one could do these signs that You do unless God is with Him". Jesus was a demonstration of dominion that no one else had, and Nicodemus was inquiring about it. Nicodemus was not asking how to be saved.
BEFORE Jesus died on the cross, He told Nicodemus, who was saved according to the law [at that time]; " Unless one is born again, he cannot SEE the KINGDOM OF GOD." Jesus was not speaking about the salvation that would come because of His sacrifice on the cross. He was referring to seeing and inheriting the Kingdom of God.
I believe that only after salvation do you qualify to see, inherit and possess the Kingdom of God, which is inside of you [his emphasis]. ...The Kingdom within is simply the domain of God demonstrated through us. There is no physical place to enter the Kingdom of God. You SEEK the Kingdom; you SEE the Kingdom; you ENTER, you POSSESS and you INHERIT.
... The sinner wants something that he does not have. To approach them on the basis of their sin and condemning them to Hell, will only increase their contempt or else it will manipulate them into making a decision in order to survive the flames of Hell. ... the way Jesus approached the sinner was through His perception of their need and the potential that was inside of them. ...
In a meeting that is packed with a prophetic people who prophesy [or unveil truth and who have vision], an unbeliever will discover that he is a treasure in God’s eyes. He will suddenly discover, and keenly be aware of the fact, that there is something beautiful that could come out of him.
I hope that I do not need to spell out why the above doctrine is heretical. Kim Clement's teachings should be avoided at all costs.
I don't know how America would react to that. They seemed to have mixed feelings about having 2 Kennedys in the Executive branch.
This was a great website when I joined a couple of years before you, and continues to be; this is a discussion forum and the only thing that WOULD erode it would be if people only posted the articles or info that you or anyone else wishing to limit or restrict the diversity of subject matter were to boss the place. I think your comment simply lays bare a prejudice against religion perhaps? I dont believe every wind of doctrine that blows through here myself, but that doesnt mean this type of post should be censored either.
When I send new people here, I let them know that while they will see some Christian-bashing from jerks, there are just as many who appreciate a positive, inspiring post.
This may be legitimate, it might not be - time will tell.I personally appreciate the post as a reminder that God is in complete control.
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