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About time this became public!
1 posted on 11/21/2001 8:44:13 AM PST by enraged
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To: enraged
There's much more of this "public shakedown" that we don't know about. It is time to start criminal proceedings - that'll get the sharks out - of those who have deliberately contributed to this fraud.
2 posted on 11/21/2001 8:51:39 AM PST by caisson71
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To: AuntB; farmfriend
ping!

farmfriend, could you go into JohnHuang2 mode with your pingy thingy? Thanks in advance! ;o)

3 posted on 11/21/2001 9:15:25 AM PST by dixiechick2000
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To: enraged
But then why let the truth get in the way of a GREAT agenda.
4 posted on 11/21/2001 9:16:36 AM PST by Alpha
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To: enraged
This is a phony story. The "Link" provided does not lead to the site specified or article referenced.
5 posted on 11/21/2001 9:19:47 AM PST by jimkress
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To: enraged; AuntB; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Read this before Thanksgiving!

This quote is absolutely incredible, "In an intra-agency memorandum, Donna Darm, who was NMFS acting Regional Administrator for the Northwest until October 1, said: "When we make critical habitat designations we just designate everything as critical, without an analysis of how much habitat an ESU needs . . . ." Darm added that no analysis of habitat need was performed "because we lack information."

Enraged, thanks for finding this and posting it!

NMFS has designated "everything" as critical habitat in over 150 watersheds blanketing California, Idaho, Oregon, and Washington. The designations have enormous regulatory impacts on the use of land and water because the Endangered Species Act prohibits any federal project, permit, or federally funded action from "adversely modifying" critical habitat. Federal critical habitat is also a key trigger for many state and local land use restrictions."

Ms Darm should be sued by everyone who has suffered damages due to any decision while she was in power to make these comments!

These enviralists in government are as dangerous as the Islamic Terrorist and maybe even more so. As they make rulings like these to cripple economies, the workers and to facilitate Rural cleansing of Americans who live in work in Druid coveted areas!

Under oath, I would like see her enviral connections documented, and how long she has been connected!

Enviralists = terrorists!

7 posted on 11/21/2001 9:22:36 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: enraged
What, the environmentalists lied to us?! Can't be!! /sarcasm
9 posted on 11/21/2001 9:30:34 AM PST by Hillary 666
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To: enraged
"We just say we need it all."...

... and negotiate the rest of the way down from there.

11 posted on 11/21/2001 9:39:00 AM PST by CubicleGuy
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To: enraged
So what's the bag limit gonna be for steelhead?
12 posted on 11/21/2001 9:41:21 AM PST by Go Gordon
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To: enraged
Further analysis of the same document (and link to full text) from www.buchal.com:

News from the Front #59:

NMFS Official Admits Bogus ESA Analyses

All power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely" (Lord Acton)

Section 7 consultations occur when a federal agency plans to take action that "may affect" salmon, and asks the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) for an opinion as to whether the action will jeopardize the continued existence of the "species".  16 U.S.C. § 1536(a)(2).  The Endangered Species Act also charges NMFS to identify "critical habitat" for listed salmon, that is, "specific areas . . . on which are found those physical or biological features (i) essential to the conservation of the species and (ii) which may require special management considerations or protection".  16 U.S.C. § 1532(5)(A).  In its typical ham-handed approach to limiting government power, Congress specified that "critical habitat shall not include the entire geographical area which can be occupied by the threatened or endangered species" -- "[e]xcept in those circumstances determined by the Secretary".  16 U.S.C. § 1532(5)(C). 

Recent litigation has produced a revealing  e-mail from Donna Darm, a high-ranking official at the Northwest Regional Office of NMFS.  (She served as Acting Regional Administrator before President Bush appointed a new Regional Administrator).  Stuck on a "REALLY long plane ride to Anchorage" in 1998, she took the time to set forth her thoughts on NMFS' implementation of the Endangered Species Act at some length in the course of commenting on a colleague's paper.  

Among several interesting observations, which may be downloaded here, is a blockbuster:

". . . when we make critical habitat designations we just designate everything as critical, without an analysis of how much habitat an ESU needs, what areas might be key, etc.  Mostly we don't do this because we lack information.  What we really do is the same thing we do for section 7 consultations.  We just say we need it all."

These are remarkable statements, remarkable for blinding truth of a nature rarely seen in government documents.  What Ms. Darm is admitting is that NMFS routinely demands that all habitat occupied by a listed species be called "critical", whether or not it is critical.  And she is admitting that NMFS routinely demands that other federal agencies do exactly as NMFS demands in interagency consultations, without regard to actual effects on listed species:  "We just say we need it all".  

How can NMFS get away with this?  Certainly the other federal agencies won't stop them.  As the Supreme Court  recently explained, another agency "is technically free to disregard the Biological Opinion and proceed with its proposed action, but it does so at its own peril (and that of its employees), for 'any person' who knowingly 'takes' an endangered or threatened species is subject to substantial civil and criminal penalties, including imprisonment."  Bennett v. Spear, 520 U.S. 154 (1997).  As a practical matter, NMFS can force other federal agencies to do whatever suits the desires of its utopian conservation biologists.  

No public outrage arises, because no one knows what is really going on.  It is a miracle is that a document like this got released at all.  In their endless effort to uphold the more and more unreasonable decisions of our ever-expanding government, the federal courts have invented a special right for government agencies to withhold documents that would tend to embarrass them.  (Ordinary citizens do not get this privilege.)  The Supreme Court justifies this by declaring that "it would be impossible to have any frank discussions of legal or policy matters in writing if such writings were to be subjected to public scrutiny".  EPA v. Mink, 410 U.S. 73 (1972).  

Thus the "frank discussions" need not be revealed, only the documents that are carefully crafted to put the best light on agency decisions.  And so the public sleeps on, imagining all the while that federal bureaucrats faithfully implement the law.  

© James Buchal, November 19, 2001

14 posted on 11/21/2001 9:53:36 AM PST by Iconoclast2
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To: enraged
bump for later reading.
15 posted on 11/21/2001 10:13:59 AM PST by lelio
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To: enraged
(NMFS) argued that designations should remain in effect while NMFS conducts a review limited to economic issues

Which they would be glad to stretch out another 30 years. Kill the designations now and make them use real science if, or when, they try it again. Oh, and punish them for the public fraud, just like "real" criminals.
16 posted on 11/21/2001 10:31:50 AM PST by balrog666
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To: enraged
It's all about money, power and jobs for the enviros. They just want their way no matter who gets hurt as long as their pockets are lined and they're telling everyone what to do.
17 posted on 11/21/2001 10:36:04 AM PST by tiki
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To: enraged
BIG Small Farmner BUMP!
26 posted on 11/21/2001 11:53:14 AM PST by dandelion
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To: enraged
ain't it the truth Tiger salamanders, red legged frogs, La Graciosa Thistle, Gaviota tarweed..... It is all just buncombe. This stuff is just a cheap excuse for nationalizing the land and taking land use decisions away from owners and local officials and giving it to nitwit Federal bureaucrats. Look at the crud they have pulled in Santa Barbara County.
28 posted on 11/21/2001 12:06:25 PM PST by pointsal
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To: enraged
ain't it the truth Tiger salamanders, red legged frogs, La Graciosa Thistle, Gaviota tarweed..... It is all just buncombe. This stuff is just a cheap excuse for nationalizing the land and taking land use decisions away from owners and local officials and giving it to nitwit Federal bureaucrats. Look at the crud they have pulled in Santa Barbara County.
29 posted on 11/21/2001 12:09:36 PM PST by pointsal
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To: enraged
YESYESYESYESYES! Nail em to the wall, throw them in the pokey! I been saying all year long there is a NEED for local CRIMINAL, repeat CRIMINAL, grand jury investigations into this whole ESA noise, NOT civil suits, and this is a bona fide smoking gun here! GO FER IT! Get the dang local cops and the local prosecutors and the local grand juries to investigate, interrogate, and INCARCERATE the bad guys here, the thieves, the ones who misuse their offices or sit on benches, no matter who they are, or their politcal connections or what board of directors they sit on. NAIL 'EM!
35 posted on 11/21/2001 4:15:52 PM PST by zog
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To: enraged
After reading this article, I have to wonder about the families of the 4 firefighters that burned to death because a firefighting helocopter was denied access to water to protect salmon.
36 posted on 11/21/2001 4:58:51 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Iconoclast2
you might find this interesting {bump}
37 posted on 11/21/2001 5:12:48 PM PST by Tailback
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To: MadameAxe
Have you seen this?
39 posted on 11/21/2001 5:14:37 PM PST by _Jim
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To: enraged
BUMP!
46 posted on 11/21/2001 8:06:51 PM PST by lucyblue
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