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Suspect accused of vandalizing Confederate flag in Mizzou dorm
STL Today ^ | 11/21/2001 11:19 AM | ap

Posted on 11/21/2001 11:54:19 AM PST by shuckmaster

Edited on 05/11/2004 5:33:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) -- Police at the University of Missouri have arrested a student suspected of destroying a Confederate flag in a dorm room.

Dave Sierpina, 18, of Aurora, Ill., was arrested on suspicion of second-degree burglary and property damage.


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Aw, Shucks!


1 posted on 11/21/2001 11:54:19 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: PeaRidge; goodieD; HELLRAISER II; margie; NovemberCharlie; BlackbirdSST; from occupied ga...
They oughta give him life in solitary with nothing but a copy of The South Was Right
2 posted on 11/21/2001 11:55:56 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: shuckmaster
Ummm . . . shredding the Stars and Bars is indeed an offense linked to national origin.
3 posted on 11/21/2001 11:57:22 AM PST by wideawake
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To: shuckmaster
They can't. The 8th Amendment prevents cruel and unusual punishment. I'm glad they caught him, though. At the very least they should expel his ass even if he doesn't get prison time.
4 posted on 11/21/2001 12:01:07 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: shuckmaster
A dormitory prank is "breaking news"? What's next, the results of your kid's election to fifth grade class president, posted in "Breaking"?

Give ME a break.

5 posted on 11/21/2001 12:02:06 PM PST by Illbay
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To: shuckmaster
Aw Shucks Bump
6 posted on 11/21/2001 12:19:53 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: Illbay
And you contributed how much to Jim Rob that gives you the right to bitch all the time?
7 posted on 11/21/2001 12:31:18 PM PST by cksharks
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To: *dixie_list
?
8 posted on 11/21/2001 12:58:55 PM PST by Khepera
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To: shuckmaster
Sounds like a "hate crime" to me.
9 posted on 11/21/2001 1:01:32 PM PST by garyhope
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To: Illbay
Television out the window? A person's property torn up? Doesn't sound like a prank to me, carpetbagger. Sounds like he's right where he belongs!

Scouts out! Cavalry Ho!

10 posted on 11/21/2001 2:14:10 PM PST by wku man
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To: wku man
You missed the point (which doesn't surprise me, since you "neo-Confederates" have the ability only to see one simple point at a time, from my experience). The point is: "Don't put stupid stuff like this in 'Breaking News"'where it takes up space better reserved for REAL news."

I see that seconds after it was posted in "Breaking" it was taken off. So I am right, and you putzes are wrong.

11 posted on 11/21/2001 2:47:29 PM PST by Illbay
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To: shuckmaster
Forget the TV. I'm upset about the flag! [><]
12 posted on 11/21/2001 6:15:42 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: shuckmaster
I'll let these boys hold my Remington 870 next time this felon decides to visit in the middle of the nite.
13 posted on 11/21/2001 6:20:24 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: shuckmaster
It good to see some finally taking a stand. Our Southern Heritage has been under assault far too long without us taking it seriously. Thanks for the feed shucks! Blackbird.
14 posted on 11/22/2001 12:07:29 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: shuckmaster
Weimer declined to discuss Sierpina's alleged motivation but said the investigation determined he was not motivated by

WHY NOT!! Wanna guess the race of the vandal?

``race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation or disability,'' all classes that are federally protected from discrimination.

Yeah, as long as you are not a Southern, Christian, heterosexual white guy.

I bet if the jerkoff vandal hadn't trashed the TV, he wouldn't have been charged with the destruction of property crime.

15 posted on 11/22/2001 12:21:26 AM PST by Looking4Truth
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To: Illbay
From MY experience, you always seem to show up on posts about the South, all geared and primed to bash my Southern heritage. Yet on your profile, you proudly (presumably) display the Texas flag and state that you're from Katy, TX. You may have a point about the Breaking News thing, but I still have a point that you, sir, are apparently a carpetbagger.

Regarding the post, it may not be Breaking News, but it sure is good to hear about Southerners winning one for a change. Let the criminal who vandalized those guys' property have fun in jail for a while.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

16 posted on 11/22/2001 2:53:26 AM PST by wku man
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To: shuckmaster
Sounds like B&E, Destruction of Private Property, Acts of Malicious Vandalism, or blatant Terrorism would apply here.

I have a better idea, lets ship his ass off to Bahgdad, he seems to fit in with that mentality.

17 posted on 11/22/2001 6:21:57 AM PST by Colt .45
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To: shuckmaster
Weimer declined to discuss Sierpina's alleged motivation but said the investigation determined he was not motivated by ``race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation or disability,'' all classes that are federally protected from discrimination.


18 posted on 11/22/2001 9:08:55 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: wku man
You may have a point about the Breaking News thing, but I still have a point that you, sir, are apparently a carpetbagger.

You're entitled to your opinion, as well as your deluded belief that your "heritage" means celebrating criminals who rebelled against the United States.

...it sure is good to hear about Southerners winningwhining about one for a changeas usual.

God bless the United States of America and protect her from all enemies, foreign OR DOMESTIC.

19 posted on 11/22/2001 5:02:11 PM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Are you implying I am a domestic criminal because I love my heritage and defend the honor of the South? Let me ask you, sir, how many years did you give to this country in the form of military service? Hmmmmm...'cause I gave 11. What's your service-related disability rating, hmmmm? 'Cause mine's 30%. That means I was permanently hurt in the line of duty, in case you don't know what that means.

I'm hardly a criminal, carpetbagger. I love this country more than almost anything else, and beleive in her principles wholeheartedly (despite the fact that few of our elected "leaders" seem to anymore, or back in 1861). I believe that even South-hating carpetbagging dipsticks like you have the right to live wherever they want, even in Texas, and have the right to mouth whatever moroninc tripe they wish. Heck, I'll even die to defend your right to do so.

But because I stand firm in my belief that the South had every right to throw off the oppression of the North, and that there's nowhere in this great land of ours where I'd rather live, doesn't make me a racist, a slaveowner, a KKK sympathizer, or a criminal... just a Southerner who loves his heritage.

One final thought...I bet you don't say much around Katy, Texas. Your Yankee accent, which you surely must have, would draw attention from the "natives", they'd slap you on the back and say "welcome to Texas", or some other such greeting, and then you'd be forced to recognize how friendly they truly are (like most Southerners). Our knuckles don't drag the ground, either.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

20 posted on 11/23/2001 3:05:15 AM PST by wku man
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To: wku man
From MY experience, you always seem to show up on posts about the South, all geared and primed to bash my Southern heritage.

Here is your heritage:

"We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have> been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States... They have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and> to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and> those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

(from South Carolina Decl. of Secession)

"...[the Northern States] have united in the election of a man to highoffice of the President of the United States, whose opinions and purpose are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of thecommon Government, because he has declared that the `Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,' and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction."

--Texas Declaration of Secession

And here is what Texans thought of the Republican party:
"They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, [not true, of course] and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States."

--Texas Declaration of Secession.

"As soon, however, as the Northern States that prohibited African slavery within their limits had reached a number sufficient to give theirrepresentation a controlling voice in the Congress, a persistent and organized system of hostile measures against the rights of the owners of slaves in the Southern States was inaugurated and gradually extended. A continuous series ofmeasures was devised and prosecuted for the purpose of rendering insecure thetenure of property in slaves. . . . the productions in the South of cotton' rice' sugar' and tobacco' forthe full development and continuance of which the labor of African slaves was and is indispensable.'"Our cause is thoroughly identified with the institution of African slavery."

Mississippi Declaration of Secession

Soon to be CSA congressman Lawrence Keitt, speaking in the South Carolina secession convention, said, "Our people have come to this on the question of slavery. I am willing, in that address to rest it upon that question. I think it is the great central point from which we are now proceeding, and I am not willing to divert the public attention from it."

From the Confederate Constitution:

Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 4: "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

Article IV, Section 3, Paragraph 3: "The Confederate States may acquire new territory . . . In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected byCongress and the territorial government."

From the Georgia Constitution of 1861:
"The General Assembly shall have no power to pass laws for the emancipation of slaves." (This is the entire text ofArticle 2, Sec. VII, Paragraph 3.)<> From the Alabama Constitution of 1861: "No slave in this State shall be emancipated by any act done to take effect in this State, or any other country." (This is the entire text of Article IV, Section 1 (on slavery).)

Alexander Stephens, Vice-President of the Confederacy, referring to theConfederate government: "Its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery . .. is his natural and normal condition." [Augusta, Georgia, Daily Constitutionalist, March 30, 1861

A North Carolina newspaper editorial: "it is abolition doctrine . . . the verydoctrine which the war was commenced to put down." [North Carolina Standard,Jan. 17, 1865; cited in Battle Cry of Freedom, p. 835.]

Robert M.T. Hunter, Senator from Virginia, "What did we go to war for, if not to protect our property?"

Alfred P. Aldrich, South Carolina legislator from Barnwell: "If the Republican party with its platform of principles, the main feature of which is the abolition of slavery [not true of course] and, therefore, the destruction of the South, carries the country at the next Presidential election, shall we remain in the Union, orform a separate Confederacy? This is the great, grave issue. It is not who shall be President, it is not which party shall rule -- it is a question ofp olitical and social existence."

[Steven Channing, Crisis of Fear, pp.141-142.]

Senator Hunter of VA. Duringthe Negro Soldier Bill debate on March 7, 1865, the SOUTHERN HISTORICAL SOCIETY PAPERS notes him as stating his opinion of the Bill as follows:
"When we had left the old Government he had thought we had gotten rid forever of the slavery agitation....But to his surprise he finds that this Government assumes the power to arm the slaves, which involves also the power of enamcipation....It was regarded as a confession of despair and an abandonment of the ground upon which we had seceded from the old Union. We had insisted that Congress had no right to interfere with slavery, and upon the coming into power of the party who it was known would assume and exercise that power, we seceded....and we vindicated ourselves against the accusations of the abolitionists by asserting that slavery was the best and happiest condition of the negro.

Now what does this proposition admit? The right of the central Government to put slaves into the militia, and to emancipate at least so many as shall be placed in the military service. It is a clear claim of the central Government to emancipate the slaves."

"If we are right in passing this measure we were wrong in denying to the old government the right to interfere with the institution of slavery and to emancipate the slaves."

"He now believed....that arming and emancipating the slaves was anabandonment of this contest - an abandonment of the grounds upon which it had been undertaken."

That is the southern heritage you are so proud of.

Oddly, President Lincoln never claimed that the federal government had the power to sieze the slaves of owners loyal to the government-but Jefferson Davis did

Walt

21 posted on 11/23/2001 5:16:34 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: wku man
Are you implying I am a domestic criminal...?

No, YOU'RE doing everything you can to make me out a "bad guy," though, which further illustrates my point: You have no argument.

The only "heritage" that stupid piece of cloth you call a "flag" represents is the willingness to kill to protect an investment in human misery, and willful rebellion against the legal and lawful authority of the United States.

If you're proud of that, fine. The United States of America has fought many wars--including the Civil War--over the Consitution's enumerated and implied rights, and you have the privilege of thinking and believing and expressing those thoughts any way you'd like, no matter how lame-brained they might be.

But you are a hypocrite if you swore to defend the Constitution and this nation against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC, and yet claim as your "heritage" the wanton rebellion against this nation.

A hypocrite.

22 posted on 11/23/2001 6:19:45 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay; WhiskeyPapa
You guys seem to think that Southern heritage is all about slavery, and by doing so show your ignorance of the matter. Illbay, you say "that piece of cloth" represents only human misery, etc. etc. divel, drivel. Maybe to you it does. To me, it represents catfishing in Arkansas, pecan pies, hot, humid days, kudzu in Georgia, bluebonnets along I-35 in Texas, mint juleps at the Kentucky Derby, the hills of Tennessee and Alabama, beautiful women with their beautiful accents, civility, and a way of life I've not found anywhere else in my extensive travels of our great nation. I've never owned slaves, would not have had I been alive "back then", and abhor racial bigotry. But you two "gentlemen" seem to be obsessed with the issue of slavery.

Illbay, you seem to also be dwelling on the secession as unlawful, illegal, immoral, distasteful or whatever...so was it unlawful, illegal and immoral for our common forefathers to "seceed" from England in the 1700s? I believe even Abe Lincoln himself said something to the effect that when a people find their government has become oppressive and tyrannical, it's their "duty" to throw off the shackle. Something to that effect.

Guys, there have been millions of Southerners born since the end of the institution of slavery...it's NOT part of MY Southern heritage, or that of any other Southerner drawing breath today. But old prejudices die hard, don't they? I guess you Northerners still think we don't pave our roads, walk around barefoot, are toothless and illiterate, have never heard of refrigeration or air conditioning, or electricity for that matter, and that the Reconstruction-era military occupation should still be in effect. So if the South is so damn awful, Illbay, why don't you take I-10 to Mobile, hop on I-65, and don't stop until you're somewhere north of Indianapolis?

This is all I'm saying on the matter. It's obvious we'll never see eye to eye on the subject of Southern heritage, so why belabor the point? I'll say good-bye and look for y'all's ignorant and misinformed posts the next time someone posts a positive article about the South.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

23 posted on 11/23/2001 1:30:14 PM PST by wku man
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To: Illbay
Well, yes, Illbay, especially if they rightfully start breaking a few things on this "prankster." He destroyed a Confederate Flag. The punishment should befit the crime.
24 posted on 11/23/2001 1:34:34 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Illbay
"So I am right, and you putzes are wrong."

Illbay, you have never been right about anything in your life. You were even wrong about saying you were right.

25 posted on 11/23/2001 1:36:50 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: wku man
You guys seem to think that Southern heritage is all about slavery, and by doing so show your ignorance of the matter.

Anyone who admits that an attempt to establish a nation based on human slavery is at the bottom of the CSA's motives any will get no complaint from me.

It's the lies that grate on me.

Walt

26 posted on 11/23/2001 1:38:53 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: Illbay
"God bless the United States of America and protect her from all enemies, foreign OR DOMESTIC."

And against the loony-tunes who purport they are patriots......

27 posted on 11/23/2001 1:39:48 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: wku man
This is all I'm saying on the matter. It's obvious we'll never see eye to eye on the subject of Southern heritage, so why belabor the point?

Don't pervert the readily available record.

That is the point.

Walt

28 posted on 11/23/2001 1:40:33 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: Illbay
"... What's next,..."

Was that you that posted the the great news about the "dangerous" lime in the apartment ?

29 posted on 11/23/2001 1:47:27 PM PST by gatex
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To: Don Myers
"Illbay, you have never been right about anything in your life. You were even wrong about saying you were right."

Very rarely is something said which is so true, it merits being immortalized in granite or bronze.

That statement more than qualifies.

30 posted on 11/23/2001 1:49:31 PM PST by Landru
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Okay, I know I said I was gonna let it go, but a response as dumb as yours has to be answered.

"Don't pervert the readily available record, that's the point."

No Walt, the point is obviously covered by your hat! In case you weren't paying attention to what I said earlier, please let me reiterate that SLAVERY IS OVER, IT HAS BEEN FOR MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEARS, I HAVE NEVER OWNED SLAVES, NEITHER HAS ANY OTHER LIVING SOUTHERNER, SLAVERY HAS NEVER EXISTED IN THE SOUTH DURING MY LIFETIME, AND THERREFORE SLAVERY IS NOT PART OF "MY" SOUTHERN HERITAGE ANY MORE THAN MISREATMENT OF THE IRISH IS THE HERITAGE OF ANY LIVING AND BREATHING NORTHERNER, OR MISTREATMENT OF THE CHINESE IS THE HERITAGE OF ANY LIVING AND BREATHING KALIFORNIAN!!!

Sheesh, I hate to resort to using all caps, but you can't seem to get it through your thick head that what's in the past is in the past. I bet you support reparations to the decendants of slaves, don't you? That is, as long as only Southerners have to pay, right?

The readily available record, Waltie Boy, is that slavery is over. No mas. It ended a hundred years before I was born. It is no longer a part of Southern culture or heritage. It is only pathetic, tiny brianed pukes like you, Illbay, Queasy N' Fuming (yeah, I know it's Kwesie M'Fume, get a sense of humor while you're at it), Jesse Jackass, Al Sharpton and the like who keep dredging up the past, for political gain or whatever reason. This reminds me of the stupid Clymers who turned out last week at Ft. Benning to protest the School of the Americas, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE! GET A FRIGGIN' LIFE ALREADY!.

By the way, what state are YOU from, Waltie Boy? Your profile page doesn't say...why? Are you ashamed of your home? That's too bad, it must really suck being from an area you can't stand. You see, I wouldn't know...I'm from the South and love it. I'll now let you have the last word, 'cause I'd sure hate to ruin your holiday weekend by taking the proverbial last cookie. Merry Christmas, pinhead.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

31 posted on 11/23/2001 4:04:04 PM PST by wku man
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To: shuckmaster
in a MORE CIVILIZED time the culprit would have been invited for pistols/sabers for two & coffee for one!

for dixie,sw

32 posted on 11/24/2001 6:53:51 AM PST by stand watie
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To: WhiskeyPapa
hi, walt.

there you go posting more anti-Southron tripe, bilge and irrelevant garbage. since the damnyankees decided to free OUR southron slaves and work their own to death, your bilgewater simply makes you a candidate for DENSA.

GEN U S Grant was still holding HIS slaves in 1866, a year after the CSA was defeated. he was NOT alone. face it walt,as Professor Tyrone Brown of Tuskeegee Univ said in 1991, "in 1860 there were not more than 10,000 people in the whole country who cared a damn about slavery as an institution OR about the plight of slaves. they SHOULD have but they did NOT! furthermore there were not 500 free persons who were willing to fight a war about the institution of slavery;for the northerners and particuliarly the radical republicans in power after the election of lincoln, freeing the slaves was ONLY a lame EXCUSE to start a war to prevent the south from leaving the union. nothing more, nothing less."

FYI, professor brown received his PhD from the university of MI (not a southron school, in case you've lost your atlas.) & and was born/raised in NY.

for dixie,sw

33 posted on 11/24/2001 7:09:34 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Illbay
i wish i was as smart as you think you are. in 1941, president roosevelt was told that numerous southrons were not willing to swear allegiance to the stars & stripes. he asked his informant if the volunteers would swear allegience to the flag of dixie & their home state. when told that they would, he stated that allegience to dixie and their state was APPROPRIATE & SUITABLE for service IN the US armed forces.

in case you haven't noted the fact, we southrons have put away our requests for freedom from the hatefilled, anti-southron,ignorant, racebaiting, socialist damnyankees during this time of tribulation & sadness in the US. we MUST all hang together, as an attack on ANY part of the country is an attack on dixie, too.

for dixie,sw

34 posted on 11/24/2001 7:18:10 AM PST by stand watie
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To: WhiskeyPapa
you wouldn't recognise truth if someone hit you with a ton of it.

for dixie,sw

35 posted on 11/24/2001 7:20:38 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Don Myers
well said!

for dixie,sw

36 posted on 11/24/2001 7:21:09 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
Agree--well said--and I salute again the honorable service of your ancestors.
37 posted on 11/24/2001 7:29:08 AM PST by gatex
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To: aomagrat
I agree.
38 posted on 11/24/2001 7:30:12 AM PST by Alain Chartier
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To: shuckmaster
Since we are at war, they should be hanging an American Flag from their window.
39 posted on 11/24/2001 7:30:42 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: shuckmaster
BTTT
40 posted on 11/24/2001 7:30:51 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: gatex
!
41 posted on 11/24/2001 7:44:00 AM PST by stand watie
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To: wku man
"Let me ask you (Illbay), sir, how many years did you give to this country in the form of military service? "

Don't waste your time on this loser.....the question has been asked of "illbay" many times, but he refuses to answer. He pops-up on every "Southern" related thread to call us Nazis. I'm suprised Jim Robinson puts-up with his crap.

42 posted on 11/24/2001 7:44:33 AM PST by Godebert
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To: Don Myers
Alliance: 600 Foreign Fighters Give In
Northern Alliance Fighters Attack Kunduz-Interfax
100s of Kunduz defenders said to be surrendering as northern alliance moves to take besieged city
Anti-Taliban forces enter Kunduz without resistance
Foreign fighters lay down arms outside Kunduz

I post the above links as examples of things that ARE "Breaking News." Despite your attempts to change the subject, that was the point of my comments. REPEATING: DON'T POST POLICE-BLOTTER JUNK TO 'BREAKING NEWS'.

I hope I was clear enough that time.

43 posted on 11/24/2001 7:44:59 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Don Myers
You were even wrong about saying you were right.

Except this article WAS taken out of the "Breaking News" sidebar. So that time, I was right.

If it makes you feel better, consider it "the exception that proves the rule." Then your safe universe will remain so.

44 posted on 11/24/2001 7:46:35 AM PST by Illbay
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To: gatex
Was that you that posted the the great news about the "dangerous" lime in the apartment ?

I posted it, but not to breaking news.

I posted an article from the Houston Chronicle, not a vanity.

And finally, I didn't post as "Front Page News" either. It was just an article buried on Page Five of the second section of the paper, but it was relevant because of (1) the Anthrax scare, (2) the fact that the kid was being indicted under Federal statutes and was in the custody of the FBI, and (3) because I happened to know him, and thought the whole thing sounded fishy.

I'm not saying that what's interesting news to me should be interesting to everyone. I'm saying that "Breaking News" should be left for articles that fit that category.

In that case the articles MUST be of interest to the great majority of FR readers. Some punk trashing a dorm room and ripping a "Confederate flag" just don't measure up.

45 posted on 11/24/2001 7:52:51 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
ripping up a CSA flag and/or a US flag is the very essense of HATE CRIME! it is an attack on the property, culture, freedom and ancestry of another for hatefilled reasons. IF we are going to have "hate crime legislation", we southrons INSIST on EQUAL protection for our monuments, symbols & sacred places.

for dixie,sw

46 posted on 11/24/2001 8:04:04 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
SW, haven't seen you here for awhile. It seems like for about six weeks or so, you anti-U.S. types had disappeared from FR, doubtless realizing what a pasting you'd get from the patriots here.

Your story about Roosevelt sounds like a myth. You'll have to provide a source. It sounds completely ridiculous on the face of it. (NOTE: By "source" I don't mean some guy and a computer in the basement of his home in Nashville; I mean a SCHOLARLY source).

47 posted on 11/24/2001 8:07:18 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Doe Eyes
Since we are at war, they should be hanging an American Flag from their window.

They don't call it the Confederate States of AMERICA for nothing.

48 posted on 11/24/2001 10:49:18 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: Godebert
I agree, but I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it's my Southern upbringing...hehehe.

I see you have the 2d AD patch on your page...I too once proudly wore the Hell On Wheels above my heart. I was there when it was re-flagged 4th ID and turned into a PC mission division. The Klinton/"Token" West Army saw fit to pull my unit, 1-66 Armor, out of a very rare field training rotation to sent us to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where we babysat Cuban and Haitian boat people. Truly sad what happens to a once-proud military unit when it's CINC uses it to score political points. "Hell on Wheels, sir!"

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

49 posted on 11/24/2001 3:57:04 PM PST by wku man
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To: stand watie
GEN U S Grant was still holding HIS slaves in 1866, a year after the CSA was defeated. he was NOT alone.

You have posted this lie over and over again and when asked for a single shred of evidence to support how Grant - or anyone else, for that matter - could own slaves after the ratification of the 13th Amendment you refuse to do so. Your inability to tell the truth preceeds you.

50 posted on 11/24/2001 4:08:04 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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