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Phyllis Schlafly: Are Mexican Immigrants Assimilating Or Invading?
Too Good Reports ^ | December 2, 2001 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 11/30/2001 7:47:46 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen

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To: christianswindler
What makes you think they're Christians? Just because pretending it's so would make the GOP's foolish policy appear less stupid?

Mexico had a President in the '30s who named his sons Lenin, Stalin, and Satan. Mexico is hardly the good little Catholic country some of you people imagine it to be. There is a substantial amount of the populace that is hostile to Christianity, and plenty more who are "nothing". And those folks see nothing wrong with ignoring inconvenient laws. More so than their Christian neighbors, who have some respect for law.

201 posted on 11/30/2001 9:01:02 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Travis McGee
Wish I could have stayed in the trenches earlier on the thread to back ya and spar further with the race-baiting mental patient mvscal.

He knew he'd lost the war when all he had left in the chamber were personal attacks of "racism" and the other BS, instead of using rationale. It's the left's modus operandi -- so what else is new?

BTW, naaah, I don't think he'll be going too outta the way to let you buy him a beer...;-)

203 posted on 11/30/2001 9:02:54 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Travis McGee
Where is Tustin CA?

Right next door to Santa Ana, CA. Which has become a province of Mexico, thanks to the open door we've had for the last 25 years. The problem has been ignored by both the Dems and the GOP, and now the opportunists in both parties try to outdo each other in pandering to latinos. A plague on both their houses.

206 posted on 11/30/2001 9:09:53 PM PST by Pelham
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To: F16Fighter
I don't think he wants to find out if I am a "fake SEAL wannabee" (as he calls me) or not.
207 posted on 11/30/2001 9:18:24 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: 1 FELLOW FREEPER
You have my sympathy, dude. I've watched the same happen to Orange County. And then the Stupid Party wonders why we can't elect Republicans in this State anymore.

Their "solution", of course, is to try to out-pander the Democrats in sucking up to la Raza.

Oh, we can give all our speeches in Spanish, too! Oh, can we give all of your countrymen citizenship? Would they like free medical care, schooling, welfare, subsidized housing? (Jack Kemp) Can we change every radio and tv station to Spanish? Just tell us, we'll kiss your...."

208 posted on 11/30/2001 9:19:12 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Pelham
"Aztlan" has the potential to become our children's Kosovo.

Wait for "La Raza" to begin a campaign of killing cops: after they get their retaliation, they will go weeping to the UN, demanding a vote on independence.

It's a tried and true formula.

BLOAT, Cache, and Take Names!

209 posted on 11/30/2001 9:21:29 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: mvscal
We all realize that you are of Mexican ancestry and heritage and that you value that but, that is not enough to dismiss the abuses by the current illegal immigrants that have entered this Country, nor does it give you rights to call anyone that does not agree in lockstep with you names, i.e.: racists, as it also does not give you rights to tell us that our opinions are wrong. You can disagree with our opinions, but they are not necessarily wrong because you say so.

I am on the East Coast, my particular city and area is becoming "infested" with illegal Mexicans. I say "infested" because that is what it is like. I am not a racist, and I am not against Mexican's as people, as Americans. I am a single woman and an equal opportunity dater, meaning I have dated a few "Mexican ancestry" men, one seriously. Here is the difference though; he was an American, an Army Ranger, and his ancestry was not a part of his daily life - as he was an American. His values, his language, his attitudes were American, and he looked down on people regardless of their ethnicity that were lazy, criminals, abusers of the system, etc. Back to my East Coast area. Again, he was an American. The Floridian Cubans made me mad last year during the Elian Fiasco when they were waving the Cuban flag while demanding our American rights, just as Mexicans who fly the Mexican flag, not as part of a "holiday," but regularly, do.

I went to McDonald's the other morning there was a picture of a Mexican man with his name next to the drive through, he was named Hispanic Employee of the month by the (get this) "Hispanic Chamber of Commerce!" On the window where you pick up your food was another sign saying "Proud Member of the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce." Excuse me, I don't live in Hispanic town, I live in Jesse Helms town - we have a Chamber of Commerce for the City, why do we need a "Hispanic" one? This does not tell me that the current immigrants are assimilating, or even trying to.

I go to my grocery store, half the clerks cannot even understand me, nor me them. To me this is a problem. I was there one day, there were two other people, "Americans," in the aisle also, we were just doing our shopping when suddenly we heard "Spanish" come over the loud speaker. We all looked at each other with "what the heck" kind of expressions; the announcement was redone in English momentarily. Again, this is not assimilating.

I moved here a few years ago from NY, I am still living in an apartment complex. It is an older complex, large apartments, good rent, prime location. For background, a friend from work lives less than a quarter of a mile from me and pays more ($250 a month) for her 1 bedroom that is also less than half my sq. footage for more money because she prefers "new," and the marketing appeal the "new" offers - I guess they have shinier brochures - as my complex offers the same amenities. Until the past year my complex had a lot of professionals. Within the last year they have been giving up their leases. Six notices have come out from management telling us that the parking lots are not for congregating, that furniture meant for the house is not allowed on the patios, that children need to be accompanied to the pool, the tennis courts, the "workout" room, that cars would be inspected visually for up to date licensure and inspection, and so on. There was even one that told us the manner in which our rent had to be paid, not the date, but suddenly the manner of payment changed. (as a side note: we, for a temporary period of time had a different Manager than the one that checked all backgrounds for 16 plus years due to her death - I guess the new Manager was a fill in and not doing well - she is gone now) The oddest thing though was that we received a notice telling us that addressed how many of us were allowed in each apartment and where it was specified in our leases. Did I fail to mention that our complex had within that time suddenly had grown to having a large "Hispanic" population? I also failed to mention that in the last year our crime factor had risen over 25%. Within the past few months there have been quite a few moving trucks, and the complex seems to be getting back to "normal." Thank God for new management.

The point of my wordy post though is that no one is necessarily being a "racist" because we speak out on the newest onslaught of illegal immigrants. We, Americans, just do not want to see our "culture" intruded upon, changed, disrespected, turned into slums, taxes going up to support those that are not citizens, a new language being used as if though it was the "language;" that is regardless of nationality, it just so happens that it is the Mexicans that are doing this, not another nationality.

You seemed to make light of the fact that European immigrants gave up all for a passage to American, you did not address the fact that those immigrants had to go through "processing" before entering the Country, and that they may have been sent back if they did not meet the stringent rules allowing them in, losing the money they paid to get here, plus all they may have had in their home country. The illegal Mexicans do not face that burden. You said the Mexicans were dirt farmers, what did they have to go back to; well, I ask what did the European immigrants have to go back to in their war slaught, sometimes disease ridden Countries, with no jobs, and now no goods as they had sold all to come here?

Your comments, in my opinion, are without thought, and just made with bias based on your heritage. Just because you are Mexican does not mean that all Mexicans are of good nature and heart, just as no one nationality or person is. Don't try to stick up for them all just because you share the same heritage. I will give the Mexicans time to assimilate, if they are here legally, and if they try, but forming a "Hispanic Chamber of Commerce" to me is not trying to assimilate, nor is the trying to get Spanish as a second language, waving the Mexican flag, speaking Spanish on the loud system at the grocery store, congregating in parking lots, collecting welfare, taking advantage of our system, etc. This is America, not Mexico-America.

210 posted on 11/30/2001 9:26:49 PM PST by Danielle
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To: NYCVirago
"That's a pretty ignorant comment. Mvscal is a college graduate and a Gulf War veteran, but because of his race, he's just a gangbanger to you. How sad."

Support gangbangers and you are one. He does, so he is guilty by association. How sad that a vet would not support his nation's sovereignty, as he does not.

211 posted on 11/30/2001 9:28:05 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: mvscal
We will see who's dead wrong.
212 posted on 11/30/2001 9:28:10 PM PST by RickyJ
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To: NYCVirago
Awww. Did I upset him? He's a big college boy, is he?

Go grab your spray paint and you can join him. I suggest a big Viva La Raza!! followed by Su casa es mi casa. Or aren't you proud of this wonderful addition to our neighborhoods that has been introduced by your homeboys, vato?

213 posted on 11/30/2001 9:28:35 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Travis McGee
The guy's nothing but a coward -- ain't NO WAY he's meeting you to "check" you SEAL credentials. Could be hazardous to his health.

And for those who doubt the audacity of our foreign enemies from within -- the agendas to infiltrate and take over selective parts of the United States of America is very real.

215 posted on 11/30/2001 9:33:13 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: 1 FELLOW FREEPER
At that time, Oxnard Ca. was 20% Mexican primarily because there are a lot of farms out this way. Now Oxnard is 65-70% Mexican.The crime rate has increased 120%...the homicide rate is up 260%....gangbangers abound and older people are afraid to go out at night. Pretty little homes in 1983 are now slums by the HUNDREDS,and property values have plummeted.

I read things like this and I don't know whether to cry or scream. It's such an outrage. Why was this allowed to happen? And not only was it allowed, but we are continually told that we should be thrilled about it; otherwise, we are evil, mean-spirited racists. In the name of wonderful, marvelous "diversity," we are ordered to cheerfully accept the lower property values, the crime, the ruined schools, and all the rest of it, and we'd better LIKE it, too!

What can we do? I feel so helpless. I feel like there's nothing we can do about this, nothing that will stop this invasion, nowhere to go to escape it anymore. The superwealthy can escape to gated communities with private schools and private security patrols. What about the rest of us? The politicians won't listen. And those who are removed from the problem don't care because it isn't happening to them...yet.

216 posted on 11/30/2001 9:35:28 PM PST by Nea Wood
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To: Danielle
Your comments, in my opinion, are without thought, and just made with bias based on your heritage.

Get used to it, lady. Take it from those of us in California, you aren't going to shame him by pointing that out. Viva La Raza! Hooray for the Race... imagine that being your slogan.

217 posted on 11/30/2001 9:35:50 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Maalaea
You forgot to mention Taco Mesa and Huntingvato Beach. Tsk, tsk (heh heh).

Good evening Maalaea! Yikes, I haven't been out to HB since last January...don't tell me it got infected too? I thought that was one of the few conservative "pockets" OC had left! Bummer!

218 posted on 11/30/2001 9:38:29 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: mvscal
No doubt, in 100 years Mexican-American snobs will be looking down their noses at [insert next immigrant wave] and making dire predictions about the decline of American culture.

In 100 years there will be no Mexico or United States.

221 posted on 11/30/2001 9:42:28 PM PST by RickyJ
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE
. My knowledge of history leads me to believe that 100 years from now this country will be a balkanized region of half a billion mostly poor souls, separated into dozens of third-world cultures, with a small number of rich elite running a massive, totalitarian welfare state that will make the Stalinist excesses of the former USSR look like a paradise.

Sounds about right to me. California is leading the way. And it makes us sooo proud.

223 posted on 11/30/2001 9:47:54 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Nea Wood; 1 FELLOW FREEPER
At that time, Oxnard Ca. was 20% Mexican primarily because there are a lot of farms out this way. Now Oxnard is 65-70% Mexican.The crime rate has increased 120%...the homicide rate is up 260%....gangbangers abound and older people are afraid to go out at night. Pretty little homes in 1983 are now slums by the HUNDREDS,and property values have plummeted.

It was bad when I worked there in '89. Half our clients did not speak english....when they wanted to, that is. Workers comp claims always jumped at the end of each season (i.e. strawberry, celery, watermelon, ect...) We could time it to the tee. And we had to keep our car doors locked and secured at all times during a typical work day. Lovely.

I wished I knew the answer, other than being vigilant in our own neighborhoods. Take them back. Maybe as communities, we can get them back too.

224 posted on 11/30/2001 9:48:20 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: Carol-HuTex
Turn of the Vacancy sign.

Dang, who left the sign on?

The cable and construction companies should be heavily fined when they get caught hiring an illegal alien.

225 posted on 11/30/2001 9:50:55 PM PST by RickyJ
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To: SocialMeltdown
The Irish and European Catholics brought with them European culture and values.
Mexicans bring neither.

Wrong.

226 posted on 11/30/2001 9:50:57 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Digger
You are right, this is the biggest problem facing the US, barring a nuclear attack. Bush seems to embrace this influx of illegals into this country. He wanted to give amnesty to 3 million illegals(by the way folks this makes them felons). Why should Bush care he is a multimillionaire. However it will be the middle class of America that will pay the heavy price.
228 posted on 11/30/2001 10:03:56 PM PST by doc
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To: madrussian
EVERY question you ask in your post #76 had been addressed.
Read the damn thread before you attack.
229 posted on 11/30/2001 10:05:09 PM PST by PRND21
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To: F16Fighter
IMHO, you cannot have enough 5.56 and 7.62mm on hand for that day.

BLOAT!

230 posted on 11/30/2001 10:06:40 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: PatrioticAmerican; Pelham
"Mvscal is a college graduate and a Gulf War veteran"

I wonder how many points affirmative action boy had added to his raw SAT scores to get into college?

231 posted on 11/30/2001 10:08:32 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: mvscal
You call your grandfather a wetback ? He must be real proud of you. So nice that you can use racist remarks against your family members from one side of your two faces while attacking the opinions of others as racist comments..........

How long have you been a member of the flat earth society ?

232 posted on 11/30/2001 10:09:18 PM PST by Squantos
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To: mvscal
Move to the barrios of Santa Ana, Ca.. With the flood of illegals from Mexico comes increased crime, welfare receipiants, drug smuggling, corruption, lower standard of living, a desire by many not to assimilate, etc.... Why stop with Mexico, why not open the borders to every third world nation? We can't discriminate against the rest of the world.
233 posted on 11/30/2001 10:11:21 PM PST by doc
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To: doc
Bush seems to embrace this influx of illegals into this country. He wanted to give amnesty to 3 million illegals(by the way folks this makes them felons).

Has Bush ever come out and say *why* this would be beneficial to our country (other than for some economic reasons, which are not completely valid, imho)? I must've really missed something. Or is it just a "border state governor" thang?

235 posted on 11/30/2001 10:16:29 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: mvscal
Bump. Still waiting for answers to my questions from mvscal.
Ah yes, the typical response to the Mexican invasion of the USA. Let me ask you this, when my Irish, Welsh, and English ancestors came to America were they eligible for welfare? Were they given job finding assistance at the employment dept. in their native language? Were they given free emergency medical care? Were they given more preference points for government jobs than some military veterans? Were they eligible for Social Security and Medicare even though they hadn't paid in their fair share? Were the Irish that came to Ellis island with tuberculosis allowed into the country? Did the Welsh immigrants smuggle cocaine when they crossed the border? Did these people NOT assimilate into the AMERICAN culture after 3 or 4 generations? Did my great grandmother recieve WIC benefits once my grandfather was born (during the depression)? Who the he!! do you think pays out the nose for all of the above benefits? Is it the Mexican illegals or is it the average American taxpayer? Well, considering the fact that most of the amigos that work in the fields here in the Willamette valley are working under the table I would say that Joe sixpack is footing the bill. You sir are comparing apples to oranges. History repeats itself and the USA is currently following the Roman Empire's recipe for self destruction with the help of your Spanish speaking friends.
237 posted on 11/30/2001 10:17:38 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Carol-HuTex
Amen Carol. Well stated.
238 posted on 11/30/2001 10:20:52 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: Danielle; Travis McGee
Very good post Danielle .......Albeit the disruptor won't respond to honest debate IMHO. S/he's just one more idiot savant that has fell face first in their own pile of crap and won't be back with anything other than more personal attacks and a fake resume no one can validate.

But then this is FR and it's their lie so let them tell it like s/he want's.....

Ya'll Stay Safe !

239 posted on 11/30/2001 10:22:51 PM PST by Squantos
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To: Joseph Warren
You've made imputations that the notation of someone's criminality (to wit: Lozano's felonious conviction)...that my specificity in naming her 'makes me a bad person'.

The only reason you brought her up is because of her ethinicity. You can tell me all the "some of my best friends are Hispanic" stories you want, but the fact is you used Lozano as an example of slimy Hispanics, not slimy Democrats.

240 posted on 11/30/2001 10:22:52 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: Joseph Warren
Some guys here and elsewhere have listed the many multicultural serial killers...from Ramirez, the Pakistani chemist who murdered 168 children or so, et. al. There are a lot of them! But one thing for sure-- you won't find me whining to high heaven through the corts, the schools,on TV,in the newspapers, and from every branch of local, state and federal gov't. and their unions if it turns out white men are the number 1 mass murderers. I'll accept facts as facts.

Go to http://www.crimelibrary.com and you will see how many white male serial killers there are.

241 posted on 11/30/2001 10:24:40 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: PatrioticAmerican; Pelham
PatrioticAmerican writes:

Support gangbangers and you are one. He does, so he is guilty by association. How sad that a vet would not support his nation's sovereignty, as he does not.

Pelham writes:

Go grab your spray paint and you can join him. I suggest a big Viva La Raza!! followed by Su casa es mi casa. Or aren't you proud of this wonderful addition to our neighborhoods that has been introduced by your homeboys, vato?

Have you two been formally introduced?

243 posted on 11/30/2001 10:28:59 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: Joseph Warren
That's about my guess, to let him break 1000 combined for admission to Texas.
244 posted on 11/30/2001 10:31:32 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Joseph Warren
Please see photos in the three links of my post # 227; 'Every Picture Tells A Story, Don't It?'

You're trying to make the point about criminals being disproportionately committed by minorities, but they're also disproportionately committed by men! Yet I don't see you in a tizzy about that.

245 posted on 11/30/2001 10:33:57 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: kstewskis
Here's an illustration. I was talking to a 7th grader, who has been here w/ her family from Mexico for 2 years. I asked her how things were going in school. She said "okay...it's all review for me".

They like to say their schools in Mexico are superior but the Mexican hispanics have a 38% drop out rate even with classes given in Spanish and on the border, you see them coming over every day with carloads of kids who attend US schools which they obviously wouldn't do if they had better schools. Mexico wouldn't be in the shape it's in if it had good schools.

246 posted on 11/30/2001 10:43:30 PM PST by FITZ
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To: mvscal
If you wish to persist with a politcal philosophy that was exposed and discredited over 100 years ago, be my guest. Anyone who can fire more than 3 brain cells at once is mocking you.

If you aren't a mexican (and I think you are) you wouldn't understand what is going on until you are fighting mexicans in your own backyard. Unlike past immigrants these ones have told anyone who wants to listen that their objective is to invaded and conquer through illegal immigration large chucks of America's southwest territories. Only the naive fail to appreciate the gravity of this ongoing crisis. Ever wonder why most mexican's don't want to learn English like every other ethnic people that have come to our shores?

247 posted on 11/30/2001 10:48:45 PM PST by WRhine
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To: mvscal
There is a big difference, The Irish, and European Catholics immigrated legally, a large percentage of the Mexicans immigrating now are immigrating illegally.

What is it about ILLEGAL that is so hard to understand?

249 posted on 11/30/2001 10:51:08 PM PST by c-b 1
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To: mvscal
Hispanics aren't some monolithic, cultural equivalent of the Borg coming to America to "out-reproduce" you and live on welfare.

I guess they'd make a better impression, if people didn't see the housing projects crowded with people from Mexico and so many using food stamps who can't speak a word in English, you can go to a grocery store in this town and be the only person using cash. In counties along the border, you see over a third of the population living on some sort of welfare, so it's easy to get the impression many are coming to get in on the freebies, with a drop out rate of almost 40%, it doesn't appear many are here to better their lives at all.

Hispanics aren't a monolith though, the US born English speaking have a higher rate of military service and patriotism than most other groups, and many are legal immigrants who chose to obey the laws in this country and are willing to learn English and work hard. But you can go into the projects around here and find plenty flying the Mexican flag and refusing to learn English or do much of anything with themselves.

250 posted on 11/30/2001 10:53:08 PM PST by FITZ
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