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Collapse of communist rule seen in China
AT ^ | 12/03/01 | Tim Shorrock

Posted on 12/03/2001 1:48:46 PM PST by Enemy Of The State

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1 posted on 12/03/2001 1:48:46 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: super175; Black Jade; backhoe; BERZERKER; B4Ranch
Comments?
2 posted on 12/03/2001 1:50:07 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
Will post my thoughts shortly...
3 posted on 12/03/2001 1:51:06 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
Highly doubtful, but anything is possible.
4 posted on 12/03/2001 1:53:11 PM PST by Feiny
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To: Enemy Of The State
My comment is thanks for posting this.

I had been going to post a couple reviews of it, one by John Derbyshire in Washington Times.

I've seen the book at the store and hope to read it.

From what I've read of Baruma in the past, he is a good writer.

5 posted on 12/03/2001 1:53:53 PM PST by tallhappy
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To: Enemy Of The State
The question is not if Communism in the PRC will end....of course it will..it's inevitable. The question is will it implode as did the USSR..or explode, in a war against Taiwan or even India.......The old men who rule the country may decide to role the dice....
6 posted on 12/03/2001 1:56:38 PM PST by ken5050
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To: Enemy Of The State
The kings of the east will march west to justify cracking down on dissent and distract the Chinease populace during war.
7 posted on 12/03/2001 1:57:18 PM PST by Hammerhead
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To: Enemy Of The State
The CCP is struggling as we speak. The need for political reform is going to be a major headache for them and already is.

There could be a number of scenarios; a big old collapse is possible, but also so is a purge of the extreme elements of the party that resist change. After that a moderate government who has no guile for Taiwan can make peace and implement changes.

Within 10 yrs something is going to happen.

8 posted on 12/03/2001 2:02:39 PM PST by super175
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To: ken5050
You asked the magic question there my friend.

There is a myth though that the China is 'one' or that the CCP is all of one mind.

9 posted on 12/03/2001 2:04:25 PM PST by super175
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To: ken5050
The question is will it implode as did the USSR..or explode, in a war against Taiwan or even India.......The old men who rule the country may decide to role the dice....

Considering the oversupply of males due to selective abortion of females, I'd say that war is very likely. Hopefully it will be one that stays within China's borders.

10 posted on 12/03/2001 2:08:46 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Hammerhead
"The kings of the east will march west to justify cracking down on dissent and distract the Chinease populace during war."

Ahh..yes..the age old Chicom bag of tricks. When all else fails, lets try the ol' nationalism rally. Well, fortunately times are changing and China is not the closed society that it once was and more & more people have access to information and education from the outside world and as this continues the Chicom methods of taking focus off of their internal failures by rallying nationalism will not continue to work forever. Its amazing how many Chinese nationals that I associate with at school who came here with the Idea that Capitalism was evil and that the American hedonists were the greatest threat to China and her people. After living here for some time and being able to educate themselves with the truth about the outside world (especially the west) they no longer the contempt for America that they once held before they came here.

11 posted on 12/03/2001 2:15:38 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Moonman62
"Considering the oversupply of males due to selective abortion of females, I'd say that war is very likely. Hopefully it will be one that stays within China's borders."

Im curious as to why you feel the imbalance between men and women in the Chinese culture could somehow lead to war? Please explain if you dont mind..

12 posted on 12/03/2001 2:17:05 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: super175
If the PRC ended tomorrow..we'd have 20+ new nations in the UN...If Indonesia fragments....golly....but the rulers of the PRC are all concerned with their own power, wealth, and indeed lives....they are all united in that focus......and because the median age is 90+ ( or close to it) they don't have much to lose.....that's the scary part.....
13 posted on 12/03/2001 2:18:34 PM PST by ken5050
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To: Enemy Of The State
In the extreme long term, what sort of government China has will not matter to us. In the short term it concerns me because I'd like to see one that would not attack Taiwan or execute theists for the horrible crime of mentioning that it wasn't very nice for the Chinese to steal their country... However, in the toward the end of this century when China's economy is much larger than ours and they wield more influence, they will go into an imperial phase. This will be true regardless of whether they are ruled by monarchs, a political party, a theocracy, a democracy, etc. etc. it just plain doesn't matter. The Chinese psychology of national humiliation will require them to reassert themselves as the world's foremost power. That's when we will have to fight them. And it will have nothing to do with whether their leaders were popularly elected or not.
14 posted on 12/03/2001 2:19:06 PM PST by American Soldier
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To: LSJohn; Hopalong

15 posted on 12/03/2001 2:21:30 PM PST by Askel5
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Business kills communism...
16 posted on 12/03/2001 2:22:12 PM PST by Ferris
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To: ken5050
Americans must stand firm and hang tough in the defense of Taiwan (Free China). Taiwan is the very Soul of China. The mainland Communists are aware of this, so they have refrained from attacking Taiwan. Keep Free China Free: today, forever and always!
17 posted on 12/03/2001 2:22:45 PM PST by BrucefromMtVernon
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To: Enemy Of The State
As I finally posted here a week or so ago, my interpretation of Bible prophecy is that China will be taken over by a westernized/Christianized minority (say 15%) of the population, which will govern for the best good of all, and there is thus grounds for optimism.

This is kind of a reverse Boxer rebellion, with the western ized and baptized, revolting against the nativist know nothings.

Another Sun Yat Sen, perhaps, is in the wings?

18 posted on 12/03/2001 2:23:09 PM PST by crystalk
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Not to belittle your opinion, but I seriously doubt that any internal or external struggle with regards to China will have anything to do with religion.
19 posted on 12/03/2001 2:27:01 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
nuke beijing now!
20 posted on 12/03/2001 2:29:19 PM PST by rockfish59
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