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Drug Legalization - Expensive and Deadly Lie
Washington Witness ^ | by Eric Lobsinger

Posted on 12/03/2001 11:53:17 PM PST by FF578

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To: ravinson
Nothing like a "mind-altering" .38 to make you go "ballistic".
41 posted on 12/04/2001 5:24:24 AM PST by BufordP
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To: alpowolf
Wake up. That's not the argument. The point is that you drug warriors use the same flawed thinking as the gun grabbers.

Oh BS, moral equivalency is the arguement of the pro-druggies and liberals. Like I stated before how many lives have been saved by the recreational use of a joint, crack pipe, or heroin needle.

42 posted on 12/04/2001 5:24:37 AM PST by Dane
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To: RLK
Legalizing drugs will produce a nation of zombies who are impossible to live with individually and who will impose their stunted mentalities politically.

Exactly. Allow ownership and free accademic study of drugs, but do not allow abuse. Same thing with guns.

43 posted on 12/04/2001 5:25:10 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: perez24
your right, but it should be treated as a public health problem instead of a criminal justice one. You very rarely see alcoholics locked up just for being drunk (without getting into a car) they are sent to rehab facilties, maybe its time to let the non-violent drug offender out of jail and into treatment where they belong.
44 posted on 12/04/2001 5:26:09 AM PST by All-American Medic
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To: FF578
The author would do better to consider how the U.S. is going to do business in a world where the rest of the industrialized nations have abandoned the Drug War model.
45 posted on 12/04/2001 5:29:54 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Dane
Look, I'm against drugs. Don't like them, never used them. Anybody that does use 'illegal' mind altering drugs IMHO is out in left field and needs serious help. That being said, I have slowly changed my mind over the past few months about legalizing drugs. I do not think they should be legalized, I do not think they should be sold in stores to anyone

HOWEVER the Constitution does not give that power to the federal government. It is up to the stateS. The 10th Amendment to the Constitution guarantees that. But 140 years ago, we had a war over that and are still paying the price today. It's great that Nancy Reagan can stand up and say 'Just Say No'. It's a great little catch phrase. But that still does not give the national government the right or the duty to enforce laws that they never were meant to.

46 posted on 12/04/2001 5:31:36 AM PST by billbears
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To: billbears
Look, I'm against drugs. Don't like them, never used them. Anybody that does use 'illegal' mind altering drugs IMHO is out in left field and needs serious help. That being said, I have slowly changed my mind over the past few months about legalizing drugs.

Just change a couple of words in the above italicized paasage and you sound like a democrat.

Look, I'm against drugs abortion. Don't like them the procedure, never used them knew anbody who had one. Anybody that does use 'illegal' mind altering drugs has an abortion IMHO is out in left field and needs serious help. That being said, I have slowly changed my mind over the past few months about legalizing drugs abortion.

47 posted on 12/04/2001 5:39:29 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Oh BS, moral equivalency is the arguement of the pro-druggies and liberals.

Only as you project it onto them, and attempt to define arguements for others

Like I stated before how many lives have been saved by the recreational use of a joint, crack pipe, or heroin needle.

Why are trying to equate guns and drugs here?

You just said those who do that are pro-drug liberals...

48 posted on 12/04/2001 5:40:37 AM PST by fod
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To: FF578
Drugs are a societal problem.

So are illegitimacy, divorce, gambling addiction, adultery, and a whole host of other things. The government seems to have little success keeping it's own problems in check. Anyone who thinks it can solve society's problems too hasn't been paying attention.

49 posted on 12/04/2001 5:42:01 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Dane
how many lives have been saved by the recreational use of a joint, crack pipe, or heroin needle.

Invalid question. Lives have not been saved by the "recreational" use of anything. Look up the meaning of "recreational". Of course you're probably opposed to all recreation.

It has been determined that Ritalin is chemically the same as cocaine. Pay attention: I said chemically not morally. Morally Ritalin falls below cocaine: cocaine users are at least voluntary. Many Ritalin users are not; they're forced to take it by your precious government. Drug warriors are no position to give lectures on morality to anyone.

50 posted on 12/04/2001 5:43:54 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: billbears
"Its up to the StateS."

Actually its; "...are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people ."

51 posted on 12/04/2001 5:44:34 AM PST by Mikey
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To: fod
Why are trying to equate guns and drugs here?

You just said those who do that are pro-drug liberals...,?

Still can't answer the question?

Well here it is again. Firearms protect and save innocent life and property. How many lives have the recreational use of a joint, crack pipe, or heroin needle saved?

52 posted on 12/04/2001 5:47:43 AM PST by Dane
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To: alpowolf
It has been determined that Ritalin is chemically the same as cocaine. Pay attention: I said chemically not morally. Morally Ritalin falls below cocaine: cocaine users are at least voluntary. Many Ritalin users are not; they're forced to take it by your precious government. Drug warriors are no position to give lectures on morality to anyone.

Huh it is the teachers unions, educational establishment, and other liberal groups that is pushing Ritalin. I think it is a travesty that kids are getting zonked out by Ritalin and that parents go along with it(in 99% of the cases, voluntarily).

53 posted on 12/04/2001 5:54:09 AM PST by Dane
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To: FF578
....just more propaganda from the 'Do-Gooders'.

redrock--Constitutional Terrorist

54 posted on 12/04/2001 5:55:47 AM PST by redrock
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To: Dane
None, and I never framed that MOOT question.
How many lives have been saved by recreational driving?

The thought of someone going out on a "Sunday Drive" must REALLY get your knickers in a twist...Recreational driving is a huge and indiscriminate killer, maimer and disruptor of innocent lives and it affects way more than just the guy going out for a drive.

Where's the outrage?

55 posted on 12/04/2001 5:57:43 AM PST by fod
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To: Dane
Thanks for the reminder... I'll make a note to self to take out my copies of the US Constitution and scratch off Amendments 9 and 10

And all this time I thought the US Constitution was the enumeration of Governmental powers, and now I find out that the USC details our rights as only those specifically granted in the Bill of Rights.

silly me!

56 posted on 12/04/2001 5:57:47 AM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: Dane
Huh it is the teachers unions, educational establishment

Government employees, all.

Voluntary? With the threat of having their child thrown out of school or taken away by the state? That's what you call voluntary? Nice Orwellian touch.

57 posted on 12/04/2001 5:59:13 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: Dane
. Like I stated before how many lives have been saved by the recreational use of a joint

Mine, for one. I was going through a really painful divorce and I went to everyone for help---priests, psychiatrists, etc. The psychiatrist put me on Zoloft, and it turned me into a zombie. Nothing was helping---nothing--- I was in a cave of depression deeper than Epictitus' cave.

My former brother-in-law and I toked up a few times, and the MJ let my mind off the hook for a few valuable hours. I cannot stress how valuable those few hours were---I'd write, read, play music: basically work everything out. And once I was able to work out most of the pain, I climbed out of the pit.

So there ya go, Dane. I know you can't conceive of marijuana being anything but evil, but there ya go.


58 posted on 12/04/2001 5:59:47 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: FF578
Drugs already cause so much harm. Imagine the societal mayhem if illegal drugs were legalized!
59 posted on 12/04/2001 6:00:26 AM PST by eleni121
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To: FF578
Try and convince me that Washington, Madison, Jefferson, Hamilton, et als, would support the war on drugs...with its concomitant loss of liberty--for everyone. The only way drug use could be fully controlled is if WE ALL are fully controlled to--by an all powerful police state.

Who is one of the most economically free and vibrant states in Europe--Holland, which has full drug legalization.

The Netherlands has, by the way, significantly fewer users and addicts proportionally, than the USA.

60 posted on 12/04/2001 6:02:25 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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