Genetic Survey Reveals Hidden Celts Of England

The Sunday Times (UK) ^ | 12-02-2001 | John Elliott/Tom Robbins

[lavrenti]

I thought the Very Old Folk, or Dark Folk were the Picts.

I have this wonderful book, titled "The Celtic Heroic Age", which is a compendium of historical accounts of the Celts. There is a great quote from Strabo, in which he says the Irish like to eat their dead and do the whap-a-dang with their siblings.

We came from a fun bunch.

[LostTribe]

>I will keep the dates in my mind and alert you if I come across anything centered around those dates.

Thanks, I appreciate it. -LT

[Eternal_Bear]

Would you believe that some Lakota have rare mitochondrial genes only found among Scandanavians? My teacher who was Cherokee said that some Viking children were captured and incorporated into some of the Indian tribes. Apparently the adults were killed off first.

[Hemlock]

Interesting post. Thanks.

[blam]

"Would you believe that some Lakota have rare mitochondrial genes only found among Scandanavians?"

Amazing huh?

[nopardons]

I wouldn't have any DNA from ANY Indians tribe, and your statement about this is silly !

[nopardons]

Nem ! Hungarian is NOT in any way related to the Basque language or peoples . Finnish, yes, and there are some surprising food relationship with the Japanese. There is a biological relationship ( not lingusitic ! ) , between true Magyars and , of all people, Eskimos.

[nopardons]

You left out the Picts , who were NOT Celtic.

[stands2reason]

I know the Yarbrough's were famous for being gamblers; they were Anglo-Saxon nobles who cozened up to William after 1066. My only famous ancestors (that I know of) are my 12x great Uncle Henry Hudson, and my g-great grandfather Ishom G. Harris, the governor of Tennessee who engineered (actually forced) Tennessee's entry into the Civil War--he also served as Senator for Tenn. for about 20 years and died in office.

[rightofrush]

The Picts not Celtic? How c0uld they interact with the Scots if they weren't?

[rightofrush]

Black leprichauns? I don't think so.

[nopardons]

Well, that's what I learned in school.

I agree with you about the Bushmen. There is absolutely NO way they were EVER in Ireland !

[rightofrush]

The "Black Irish" were those of black hair, which came from the shipwrecked remnants of the Spanish Armada.

[nopardons]

Well of course they are ! Did you think that I didn't know that ? LOL

[Hemlock]

The "Black Irish" were those of black hair, which came from the shipwrecked remnants of the Spanish Armada.

I think that story is bunk. The dark and/or kinky hair is evidence of an ancient admixture, and not an indication of a shipwrecked armada.

[blam]

"The "Black Irish" were those of black hair, which came from the shipwrecked remnants of the Spanish Armada."

There were references to 'Black Irish' before the Spanish ship wrecks. Any insight on the Fomorians? Black Leperchauns? I aready stated that the Bushmen were Asian.

[blam]

There are five Invasions that create Ireland's History:

Partholan
Neimheadh
Fir Bolg
Tuatha De Danann
Milesian

To this day Ireland is still split into 5 sections; Ulster, Leinster, Munster, Connacht, and Meath.
Regardless of the current religious beliefs of Ireland as the wars between the Catholic and Protestants continue, this history is older than Christianity.

The Formorians - (Formors, Fir Domnann, Fom hoire) Where said to be the first to inhabit Ireland after the great flood. Primary Goddess was Domnu, they are said to be hidious creatures.

Partholons - Came led by King Partholan, with 25 men and 24 Women Warriors, but they could not defeat the Formorians.

Nemed - (Nemhedh, Neimheadh) Under leadership of Artur, Nemed's Son. They lost the first battle against the Formorians, led by King Morca. When battle was over 30 Nemed remain alive, in which its said that half went north and the other half went South. To return later from the north as the Fir Bolg.

Fir Bolg - (Fir Bolga, Fir Bholg, Gailion, Dhomhnann) Managed to live among the Formorians until they were later conqured by the Tuatha De Danann, which were to be the other half of the Nemed who went South.

Tuatha De Danann - Although the accounts say the Tuatha De Danann had come from the sky to teach Ireland the arts. They were to be Gods or Great Spirits, the Sidhe. Tuatha De Danann did not try to defeat the Formorians at first, rather they made peace and interbred.
Elatha - (Son of a Formorian King) had an affair with Eri (who later Ireland of old is named after), and their son, Bres, became a great Tuatha De Danann Warrior. Only when the Formorians were relaxed and off guard, did the Tuatha attack and defeated the Formorians and their king Balor (Balor Beimann).
Tuatha De Danann's allies against the Formorians consisted of a few; Oghma, Patron Diety of Poetry & Warrior of Tara who fought alongside of Lugh.
Neit (Net) Tuatha War God, was killed by the Formorians. Badb, Part of the Morrigan, and final was the Chief of the Druid of Tara,
Figol MacMamos, who used his magic which allowed the Tuatha De Danann to defeat the Formorians.
The remaining Formorians were driven into the ocean where they reside as sea monsters as Lochlann, King Tethra. Lugh was adopted by the Tuatha De Dannan, he has the sword of which he stole from Tethra, one of which is death by itself, this was at the Battle of Moytura.
Cu Chulainn is the said reincarnation of Lugh.
Fennian Hero, Leader of the Fianna, Ossian (Osian, Oisin) was friend of the Tuatha De Danann King Finvarra, and married Niamh, of the goldenhair who leads warriors to Tir nan Og.
Tuatha De Danann did not come to inherit Ireland, they were forced underground by the Milesians.

Milesians - Sons of Mil, the Gaels, a cousin race of the ancient Celt People.

[blam]

The Tuatha de Danann

Irish legend says that the Tuatha de Danann (the people of the Goddess Danu) are the fairy folk; the fairies, pixies and brownies who inhabit the mounds, or Sidhe, of the Irish countryside. But upon closer examination, one discovers that the Tuatha de Dannan were actually a people who inhabited Ireland in times long past.

According to the Annals of the Four Masters, the Tuatha de Danann ruled Ireland from 1897 BC to 1700 BC. The story of their invasion of Ireland and subsequent war with the Fir Bolg (the previous inhabitants) is a fascinating chronicle of ancient Irish history.

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[Chemist_Geek]

Bump for self-reference.

[blam]

Black Irish

The wildest notion is that black hair is evidence of Spaniards marooned in Ireland following the wreck of the Armada. As we've had occasion to discuss in the past, the number of shipwrecked Spanish sailors who remained in Ireland for any length of time was trivial.

I have also heard it said the black Irish were the first settlers of Ireland--maybe the Phoenicians. The red Irish, meanwhile, were descendants of the Normans, and the blond Irish are descended from the Vikings. One of many drawbacks to this theory is that it seems to leave the Gaels completely out of the picture.

A more plausible but still essentially unprovable take on this idea is that black hair is a vestige of an indigenous population of short dark-haired types overrun by the fair-haired Gaels. Supposedly there are more black Irish in the western part of the country, which fewer Gaelic invaders reached.

There is archaeological and, I'm told, linguistic evidence of pre-Gaelic settlement. But how it was concluded that they were short and black-haired I do not know. Seems like a silly thing to make a fuss over in any case