Bin Laden: Attack on US to Stop Support for Israel

Reuters ^

[madrussian]

LONDON (Reuters) - Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), the world's most wanted man, said on a video broadcast by al-Jazeera satellite television on Wednesday that the September 11 suicide attacks were intended to stop U.S. support for Israel.

``Our terrorism against the United States is worthy of praise to deter the oppressor so that America stop its support for Israel, which is killing our children,'' the bearded, Saudi-born fugitive said.

He added that the tape was being issued to mark about three months since the attacks on New York and Washington and two months after the United States began its bombing of Afghan targets.

The remarks indicated the tape was recorded in early to mid December.

Looking tired but calm, bin Laden was dressed in a clean, camouflage-patterned combat jacket. He sat against a cloth or canvas screen, his Russian-designed submachinegun propped beside him. There was no indication where he was when he recorded the video.

[Silvertip]

Comparing the ADL - police informers (personal experience with this), heavily monied, and very poltically influential (wanna buy a pardon from a korrupt commie traitor president?)

and the JDL - definitely NOT police informers, $50,000 max budget to the ADL's 50 MILLION, and NO politcal capital is just silly.

The good cop - bad cop stuff is pure fantasy.

If you were a Jew in trouble and you went to Irv and Abe... Irv would receive you at his home. Abe, (if you had enough money or could do something for him) would receive you at his UN plaza address. Irv wouldn't care what others thought about him when he helped you. Abe would base everything on what others - particularly the Jewish community - thought - IF he even helped you.

Trust me, POLAR opposites.

[madrussian]

You have interesting information about "crazy" Irv and his gang. Also about ADL. I am very curious to learn more, if you have anything to say and if that information is first-hand or at least from a friend who knows.

I know that some people used to sympathize with "crazy" Irv because he was pro-2A.

I don't make the mistake of looking at superficialities, like differences in tactics. To me, what unites them is crazy paranoia and victimhood. Or yeah, they are militantly intolerant to anything that they perceive as hurting their ethnic cause.

[madrussian]

ADL spying on MLK?

http://www.jewishsf.com/bk960329/usadl.htm

March 29, 1996

Editorial in Howard U. paper accuses ADL of spying on blacks

LYNNE MEREDITH COHN

Washington Jewish Week

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- An editorial in Howard University's student newspaper has stirred black-Jewish tensions after more than a year of concerted efforts to repair relations between the black school and the Jewish community.

In its March 8 issue, The Hilltop newspaper lambasted the Anti-Defamation League for allegedly spying on black leaders, including Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

It also attacked the ADL for what the paper claimed was an attempt to disrupt former National Association for the Advancement of Colored People leader Benjamin Chavis' outreach to Nation of Islam head Louis Farrakhan.

The editorial, "Attacks on black leaders make Anti-Defamation League an unwanted guest at Howard," also reprimanded Afro-American studies department chair Russell Adams for working with the ADL.

It called ADL regional director David C. Friedman a "pariah" when he was on campus at Adams' invitation.

While the editorial vilified the ADL, an accompanying cartoon represented ADL as a devil walking around a building at the university.

Tension between the school and the Washington area's Jewish community arose early in 1994 after ADL exposed in the national media anti-Semitic comments made by former Nation of Islam spokesman Khalid Abdul Muhammad.

In a Washington press conference which drew national attention, Farrakhan said he did not like the manner in which Muhammad gave the speech but agreed with the "essential truths" in it, Friedman recalled.

Muhammad subsequently spoke at Howard University and a black student leader, Malik Zulu Shabazz, "led the crowd in a chant of: `Who has your leaders in a vice grip? The Jews! The Jews!' " Friedman said.

"The [past] president of Howard waited a week to make any comment," he added.

In April, 1994, the university was the site for a conference on the "black Holocaust." Speakers included several leading black spokesmen known for their anti-Semitic views, including Steve Coakley, a former aide to the late Chicago Mayor Harold Washington; Tony Martin, a Wellesley University professor; and City College of New York Professor Leonard Jeffries.

The event was a "wall-to-wall hate fest," Friedman said.

The "black Holocaust" is the term Shabazz uses for slavery in the United States and the pre-civil rights treatment of African Americans, the "real" holocaust for which he claims that Jews were largely responsible.

The allegation of Jewish dominance of the slave trade is asserted in "The Secret Relationship," a book published by Farrakhan's Nation of Islam.

Howard officials condemned the conference, held teach-ins and began repairing relations with the Jewish community.

And, a new university president, Patrick Swygert, who had a long-standing relationship with the Jewish community, was hired.

The Hilltop's recent editorial said the ADL "has historically engaged in domestic spying" in the name of monitoring racism, that it has "especially monitored and attacked black leadership," including Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and mounted "an enormous slander campaign" against Jesse Jackson during his 1994 presidential bid.

"The ADL threatened to persuade corporations to stop funding the NAACP to combat Dr. Benjamin Chavis' relentless pursuit to unite with" Farrakhan, it said. "For the past 11 years, the ADL has been in a bitter conflict with Farrakhan. The ADL has published volumes of slanderous literature against the popular black leader."

The editorial also found it "alarming" that Howard University officials "would allow such an organization to have input in our activities. African American studies chairman Russell Adams has worked closely with the ADL, and he should be held accountable."

In a letter to the editor in the March 15 edition of The Hilltop, Swygert criticized the editorial for impugning "an esteemed member of the faculty" and "demonizing" a group of "American citizens."

The college president took exception to "the words, the tone and the apparent purpose of the editorial and the cartoon."

But Swygert stated he would not "defend or advocate on behalf of the Anti-Defamation League. Howard University respects the right of anyone to take issue with the [ADL], its ideas, actions and positions."

He added that "disagreement with the ADL can be expressed without resorting to symbols and language that are offensive and, particularly so to African-Americans."

ADL was disappointed with Swygert's position.

In a letter to the college president, ADL national director Abraham H. Foxman wondered "whether the bridges we have been trying to construct go only one way."

ADL's Friedman added, "An attack as outrageous as this demanded more than simply an expression of support for academic freedom."

David Gaither, The Hilltop's editorial page editor, wrote the editorial, but he said the topic was discussed, according to usual policy, among the newspaper's section editors.

A personal encounter between Gaither and Friedman, on campus for the university's Charter Day, inspired the piece, Gaither said.

"I personally have knowledge that ADL has historically attacked black leadership," said Gaither, a Nation of Islam member. The editorial was not at all intended "as anything against the Jewish community," he said.

"It was solely against the Anti-Defamation League. The problem is that the two have been seen as synonymous, and they're not."

Although the tone of the editorial seemed to be a personal attack on Friedman, Gaither denied this intent. "He just happened to be seen on campus."

[Cultural Jihad]

Waiting for a spin of the Israel-firsters of their "it had nothing to do with Israel".

Right from your post #1, you with a name of "madrussian", start off with a slam against an important democratic ally of America. That ally is the home of millions of Jews, many of whose ancestors were victims of vicious pogroms in Russia. Your words reveal you to be a man with some vicious hidden agenda. America is more and more leery of characters such as you, bud. Take your old hatreds back to your old country.

[madrussian]

The problem is not that we don't know what bugs the bastard. The problem is that there are those who would have us accept the lie that the way to deal with the bastard is to stop doing what bugs him.

Bullshit. I have never seen anyone here saying that bin Laden and terrorists deserve anything but death.

[weikel]

Can you give me a link?

[madrussian]

Your brain just went dead. S.O.S.

[Nogbad]

You know Jews who are opposed to a Jewish national state in Palestine?

Many. Jews who were opposed to the establishment of a Jewish state in the Middle-East.

Jews who refuse to visit Israel because they do not support it.

[Silvertip]

To me, what unites them is crazy paranoia and victimhood. Or yeah, they are militantly intolerant to anything that they perceive as hurting their ethnic cause.

JDL is neither crazy nor paranoid. JDL rails against the perpetual victimhood mentality. Read some of their stuff.
I don't see being militantly intolerant to an "ethnic cause" i.e. Jewish survival and real discrimination as a bad thing.

Conversely, ADL is neither crazy nor paranoid. However they realize the profit potential (actual and realized) of the perpetual victimhood mentality. No one in the Established Jewish Community was ever criticized for donating to BB/ADL.
ADL is far from militant. As the socialists and communists they are, they will simply buy, legislate, and enact all the laws and influence they need.

They have all the time in the world.

Off to bed for me. Good exchange. Thanks.

[Don Joe]

"Or yeah, they are militantly intolerant to anything that they perceive as hurting their ethnic cause."

So? So what! Everyone is intolerant of anything they perceive as hurting their ethnic cause!

The problem is that basically Tom Lehrer had it right. "...and everyone hates the Jews!" He was making a funny in his song, but there was more than a kernel of truth to it.

There is no shortage of groups who have receive equally inhumane treatment as the Jews. The Hutu/Tutsi massacre, Pol Pot's holocaust, Mao, Stalin, the list goes on and on and on to the begining of time itself.

But, there's a difference. Pol Pot's victims would have fared infinitely better virtually anywhere else but under his regime. Same with Stalin's -- and Mao's tens of millions of victims, and so on. The Jews, however, are pretty much hated wherever they go -- and then they have to suffer the indignity of being accused of having a "persecution complex" and "paranoia" -- or, alternately -- of being "intolerant" of their tormentors.

God, I suspect, does not smile on this.

[madrussian]

http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/26/04/news1.shtml

December 22, 2001

The Enemy Within

Israel’s gravest danger is not the Palestinians
by Neve Gordon

Jerusalem—Ariel Sharon appears determined to wreak havoc on the Palestinian Authority. Events in December suggest that the Israeli prime minister’s strategy may be to unseat Yasser Arafat in the hope of precipitating an inner Palestinian conflict, perhaps even a civil war. Israel, so the twisted logic goes, can then help set up a puppet government while changing the West Bank’s territorial demarcation—the Lebanon debacle revisited.

“For Israel, September 11 was a Hanukkah Miracle,” Israeli political and security officials recently told the newspaper Ha’aretz. Thousands of American fatalities are considered a godsend—in this cynical world—simply because their deaths helped shift international pressure from Israel onto the Palestinians, while allowing the Israeli government to pursue its regional objectives unobstructed. And indeed, in the past months, the United States has unfalteringly supported all of Israel’s actions.

A series of deadly suicide attacks inside Israel by Hamas and Islamic Jihad helped Sharon receive a green light to carry out his plans. Returning on December 9, he convened a cabinet meeting at which the Palestinian Authority was designated an entity supporting terrorism. F-16 jets began bombing Arafat’s offices in Gaza and destroying the two helicopters he uses for transportation even before the meeting concluded. Other Palestinian Authority structures were attacked in Bethlehem, Nablus and Ramallah, including key state institutions. Not even a murmur of protest was heard from the Bush administration.

On the contrary, on the following day Arafat was handed a list of the “33 Most Wanted” leading militants from Hamas and Islamic Jihad. He was asked by both Israel and U.S. envoy Anthony Zinni to arrest them immediately and to shut down all Hamas and Islamic Jihad offices. As arrests were underway, a failed Israeli attempt to assassinate Islamic Jihad activist Mohammed Ayoub Sidr in Hebron killed two Palestinian children. Arafat’s protests that Sidr was not on the “wanted” list and that Israel cannot expect him to effectively crack down on Hamas and Islamic Jihad while it continues its assassinations were conveniently ignored.

The bloodshed continued. On December 10, a Palestinian attack on a bus left 10 Israelis dead and many more wounded. The Israeli cabinet convened again, this time stating that the Palestinian Authority was solely responsible for the attack and that Arafat had become an “irrelevant figure.” On December 13, Sharon directed the military to mount an all-out assault on the Palestinian Authority. Altogether, in the first two weeks of December, 52 Palestinians and 34 Israelis were killed, 16 of them minors.

As the cycle of violence continues, what remains of the Israeli political left has been trying to mount some kind of viable opposition. Weekly protests in front of the prime minister’s house, scores of soldiers refusing to serve in the occupied territories, and hundreds of people breaking the military siege by transferring basic foodstuffs to Palestinian villages—these are just a few of the activities taking place on a regular basis. They have not, however, managed to challenge the hegemonic spirit of war.

Israel’s gravest danger today is not the Palestinian Authority, or even Hamas and Islamic Jihad, but the one it faces from within. During the past year, peace activists have been “invited” to meetings with the secret service, where they are “warned” about their activities. The secret service routinely intercepts the e-mails of peace groups, and often obstructs solidarity meetings or protests in the West Bank by declaring whole regions “closed military zones.” For months, the Gaza Strip has been totally closed off to Israelis from the peace camp—including members of the Israeli parliament, the Knesset—and only Jewish settlers, journalists and soldiers can now enter the region. The security forces’ ongoing attempts to frighten activists have surely affected the left, but their attack on civil liberties is only one manifestation of much broader social processes taking place within Israel.

Israeli intellectuals who criticize the government are often attacked, not only by the establishment inside Israel, but by its international proxies. Middle East Quarterly recently published an article titled “Israel’s Academic Extremists.” Written by “a watchdog team of researchers keeping an eye on Israel’s universities”—the actual author is not mentioned—the article goes after 20 Israeli professors (including this one) using lies and half-truths to defame and blacklist them.

Worse is the blatant racism and hatred of the “other” that pervades every aspect of Israeli political discourse these days. Jewish cabinet ministers repeatedly refer to the Arab Knesset members as a fifth column of Arafat’s agents and collaborators. In the past year, there has been a concerted effort to delegitimize them; six out of the 10 Arab Knesset members from opposition parties have undergone police investigations for “anti-Israeli” statements made during political speeches, while the immunity of one has already been stripped.

Simultaneously, Israel’s public radio and television have prevented Arab leaders from voicing their grievances by ceasing to interview them and, in this way, have intensified the alienation felt by their constituency, which comprises a fifth of Israel’s citizenry.

Adopting the nationalistic refrain, the Israeli media, which were once known for their critical edge, now silence all opposition, broadcasting almost solely those views conforming to the official line. TV crews pass by as if the peace groups—standing at peace rallies in front of government offices, chanting anti-war slogans—were thin air. By rendering the peace camp invisible to the public at large, the Israeli media helps make it powerless.

But the peace camp also bears some responsibility, since it has not adapted its strategies to the new situation. The time has come to modify its methods of protest, shifting its strategy from mere opposition to nonviolent resistance. Only widespread civil disobedience can bring an end to the dreadful cycle of violence and destruction. It is up to the left to do everything possible so that years from now people won’t ask (as we wonder about other times and places) how it was that a whole population didn’t realize what was happening.

Neve Gordon teaches politics at Ben-Gurion University in Israel and can be reached at ngordon@bgumail.bgu.ac.il.

[madrussian]

http://www.reuters.co.il/news2000/N2SKTCHL.HTM

Peres says Arafat "not our enemy" -  German magazine

    BERLIN, Dec 20 (Reuters) - Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon 
Peres still sees Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat as Israel's 
most important negotiating partner in efforts to find peace, the 
German magazine Der Spiegel said on Thursday. 
    "Arafat is not our enemy, he is still the most important 
Palestinian leader," Peres told the weekly, according to the 
text of an interview due to be published on Saturday. 
    "I think it is a mistake to believe there are others in 
Arafat's circle who are more ready to talk peace... I agree with 
U.S. Secretary of State (Colin) Powell. As long as Arafat is the 
elected leader we have to deal with him," he added. 
    Peres repeated his belief a declaration made last week by 
Israeli leader Ariel Sharon that Arafat was "irrelevant" was not 
helpful to efforts to end a year of bloodshed in the country. 
    "Luckily our actual contacts remain undisturbed by this 
(comment)," Peres said, adding however he was not currently in 
direct contact with Arafat, who he said had to win back the 
trust of the international community by clamping down on 
militant groups. 
    In a separate interview with the magazine, Arafat said 
Sharon's declaration was "his problem, not mine". 
    He blamed Sharon for the latest violence and criticised 
Sharon for insisting all militants be brought under control 
before a new ceasefire can begin. 
    "Nobody in the world can guarantee the behaviour of every 
citizen. Israel has also been unable to do that, even though it 
is known that those apparently responsible for some terrorist 
attacks in Israel come from Israeli territory," Arafat said. 
    ((Berlin newsroom, tel. +49 30 2888 5210)) 
 
20 DEC 2001 14:25:48
Peres says Arafat "not our enemy"- German magazine

[Cultural Jihad]

God, I suspect, does not smile on this.

madrussian is too busy spouting off about his irrational hatred for Israel to listen. The Spartacist League and Zhiranovsky all applaud his words.

[Don Joe]

These megadumps of yours are strikingly reminiscent of, how shall I put this? Spam.

Now, frankly, I don't know if it's the same antisemtic tripe posted over and over, or mildly "different" variations on the same theme. It's all boringly similar, if not identical. I do wish you'd learn to either speak for yourself, or learn to say nothing, if all you've got to "say" is another megapaste of antisemtic spam.

[Don Joe]

antisemtic = antisemitic

I slipped up on the "non carborundum" part, I guess...

[ConservaChick]

Waiting for a spin of the Israel-firsters of their "it had nothing to do with Israel".

Why should any of us give a rats butt "why" Osama did it? I couldnt care less "why". The FACT that those fanatical madmen killed 3000 innocent civilians is all i need to know. America should NOT change our political stands ANYWHERE in the world because of a bunch of evil nutts. THEY kill thousands of people and then blame it on Isreal? Pleeze! I realise you must share there views but don't expect the majority of Americans to fall for such crap. BTW Isreal is our ONLY friend in that area of the world and (unlike the fanatical Arabs) they have been a good friend to the US.I hope the US continues to be a good friend to Isreal.

[Cultural Jihad]

Why should any of us give a rats butt "why" Osama did it? I couldnt care less "why". The FACT that those fanatical madmen killed 3000 innocent civilians is all i need to know. America should NOT change our political stands ANYWHERE in the world because of a bunch of evil nutts. THEY kill thousands of people and then blame it on Isreal? Pleeze! I realise you must share there views but don't expect the majority of Americans to fall for such crap.

Bravo!

[ConservaChick]

In the words of Dr. Martin Luther King: You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely "anti-Zionist." And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of G-d's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--this is G-d's own truth....Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionism is inherently Anti-Semitic, and ever will be so.

Bravo! Well said, and i agree.