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1 posted on 01/02/2002 1:15:39 PM PST by Theresa
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A lot of Christians from different denominations -- Catholic, Prostestant, Orthodox -- believe that outside their church, you're probably not really 'saved'. This exclusivity seems to be human nature. I'm sure God can handle it.
73 posted on 01/02/2002 10:47:06 PM PST by WaterDragon
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FYI
83 posted on 01/03/2002 2:43:41 AM PST by Iowegian
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Biblically there are three ways to get to heaven (be saved)

The first is to obey your conscience. (I'll dig up the scriptures later if anyone wants them. I believe this is in Romans) Of course the moment you violate your conscience you are doomed to hell. There is no way to atone for a broken conscience.

The second way is to follow the LAW completely. (Genesis through Deuteronomy) Of course the Hebrews found this impossible even in a simpler time with far greater influence by the religious leaders. Here breaking the law can be atoned for by sacrifice but the slightest, un-atoned infraction sends you to hell

The third way (and only one that really works) is through faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and His atoning sacrifice. Here sin is already atoned for.

Notice that the concept of 'church' never enters into salvation as defined by the bible. Salvation is between you and God. While the bible does command us to fellowship with other believers this fellowship is NOT required to be saved.

There is no salvation in the Catholic Church. There is no salvation in the Baptist Church. There is no salvation in any church. THERE IS ONLY SALVATION IN THE SHED BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!

God Save America (Please)

98 posted on 01/03/2002 6:06:12 AM PST by John O
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Part 1, Section 2, Chapter 3, Article 9, Paragraph 1, SubSection 3, Heading 3
776 As sacrament, the Church is Christ's instrument. "She is taken up by him also as the instrument for the salvation of all," "the universal sacrament of salvation," by which Christ is "at once manifesting and actualizing the mystery of God's love for men." (199) The Church "is the visible plan of God's love for humanity," because God desires "that the whole human race may become one People of God, form one Body of Christ, and be built up into one temple of the Holy Spirit." (200)
107 posted on 01/03/2002 7:20:20 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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Here is my response to that:

Acts 4:10-12 (NIV), "then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. He is '"the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone."' Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." (KJV)

122 posted on 01/03/2002 9:06:26 AM PST by Sophie
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You Protestants have to face the fact that the Bible you consider the infallible Word of God was a product of the RCC. See Constantine. And you are, of course, all wayward heretics. lol
132 posted on 01/03/2002 9:56:42 AM PST by JmyBryan
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God is able to save anyone he chooses.

This is the doctrine of my faith - it is arrogant to think otherwise.

144 posted on 01/03/2002 11:48:03 AM PST by MarMema
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Bump to read later
147 posted on 01/03/2002 1:01:46 PM PST by TX Bluebonnet
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Hello Theresa,

I liked your article, and generally I agree with it.

However, by printing that article there is a danger that the readers will get the wrong understanding. They will take it to far. They may conclude that the Church basically says that ALL who follow their conscious are saved, they dont really need to follow the Church or anything. This is obviously wrong. Given todays grave misunderstandings on what it means to say "follow your conscious" you can pretty much gurantee there will be more confusion than enlightenment on this issue.

Also, although one theoretically can be saved by not being a full fledged member of the Catholic Church, this doesnt in anyway say they will be saved. The Church offers soo many graces(through sacraments) and forms the conscious so well that one may say that one is very unlikely to be saved outside the Church. THe risks are too great. Even Augustine believed in the "Massa Damnata" which basically means the great majority of people will be damned.

Another problem with publishing this paper, is it fails to notice that following your concscious would lead you to joining the Catholic Church. Hence anybody who doesnt act upon the intuition to investigate the Church, or does not join when they may feel it is true, is directly violating their conscious. So they would not be saved.

In conclusion, the "salvation outside the Church" doctrine is very complicated and not as simple as this article portrays. GIven our culture we are in, and our current presuppositions, publishing that article would lead people to more misunderstandings of Catholic theology than understandings.

184 posted on 01/04/2002 9:51:16 AM PST by electron1
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...and to share with them the truth as we have discovered it in Christ.

"the truth"...there is false truth--generic truth---and top shelf TRUTH---

give me a fresh bottle---throw out the cap and pour me a double!

195 posted on 01/04/2002 11:07:42 AM PST by f.Christian
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What did the current pope say about non-Catholics about a year ago? Didn't he say that a person had to be Catholic to be saved? Just wondering.
202 posted on 01/04/2002 11:59:28 AM PST by moteineye
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There is one way and one way only to achieve "salvation"..............and it has nothing whatsoever to do with baptism, denominations, or other man-made "religious" practices.

It is through the acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. Period.

The New Testament couldn't be clearer on this.

264 posted on 01/05/2002 6:23:26 PM PST by RightOnline
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I notice you didn't say Roman Catholic Church....good for you. There are at a minimum the five patriarchal cities (Although Jerusalem is vacant.)

Then there's the issue of apostolic succession. Is true apostolic succession determined by the lineage of ceremonial ordinations, or is it determined by the lineage of pure doctrine?

Preferably one would have both, but, I would have to argue that a doctrinal lineage is more important than a ceremonial lineage. Jesus' words "for whoever is not against us is for us...Mark 9:40" argue in favor of a doctrinal lineage.

265 posted on 01/05/2002 6:27:02 PM PST by xzins
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To: Theresa
Thanks for posting this.
310 posted on 01/07/2002 4:52:23 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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Extra Ecclesiam Zilch Bingo!
322 posted on 01/07/2002 8:58:32 AM PST by Francohio
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it would imply that all of humanity was excluded from salvation before Christ came

No, God has had the same plan of salvation all along, ever since Adam and Eve and their fall into sin. St. Paul writes that Abraham believed in the promised Messiah, "and his faith was credited to him as righteousness." In this sense, Abraham was a Christian because he looked forward to the day Christ would come.

389 posted on 01/11/2002 6:19:18 AM PST by Hackle
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Ephesians 2:8-9 - "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
406 posted on 01/14/2002 7:10:31 AM PST by lds23
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