TOLKEIN AND THE LORD OF THE RINGS (David Cloud can't even spell TOLKIEN right when he attacks him!)

Way Of Life Literature ^ | February 5, 2002 | David Cloud

[Darth Sidious]

Got this in my e-mail today. Apart from formatting for HTML and some boldfacing, I did nothing else to this article. It appears exactly as I received it.

David Cloud has sunk to an entirely new low. And he was already pretty darn low.

[JenB]

Hey guys... looks like a thread that needs our help!

C'mon in, the water's great!

[meandog]

C.S. Lewis loved at least some things about Catholicism...

But he died a devout Anglican (Episcopalian)!!

[Hodar]

Heaven forbid. and those satanic messages in Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast (with implied carnal beastiality), and the idol worship implied in Pinichio, the whorish behavior of Snow White (living with 7 male unmarried dwarves), the S&M implications of Sleeping Beauty, and the unforgiveable sins of elevating animals to human status in 101 Dalmations. (/sarcasm)

David, see what happens when you stop taking your Zoloft?

[nothingnew]

fantasy trilogy based on the books by J.R. Tolkein.

Maybe he really thinks Tolkien is Jewish?

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! What a maroon.

FMCDH

[steve-b]

Got this in my e-mail today.

You shouldn't give your e-mail address to mentally unstable people.

[Notforprophet]

The writer of this article obviously has a bone to pick with Catholics. At least half of the article is spent pointing out Tolkien's various Catholic connections.

What is it with fundamentalist Protestants hating Catholics so much? Aren't they both of the Christian faith? The wars of the Reformation are centuries behind us, and this guy acts like they are still going on.

Notforprophet

[Ward Smythe]

Though I have forgotten many of the details of the books, I can recall very vividly that they are filled with occultic imagery.

Translation: Although I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm going to tell you what I think anyway.

I never cease to be amazed at how I can be embarrassed by my "fellow" Christians...

[Michael2001]

This guy needs to grow up. There is nothing wrong with a little fantasy in life.

[JenB]

Had to ping some of my Tolkien-friends. Let's say it's a very good thing you make it obvious that you disagree with this moron.

First off, D&D is not evil or Satanic. I don't play RPGs but there's nothing evil about them, science fiction, or fantasy novels.

Second, Tolkien said LotR was not allegory, true, but he did say it was applicable. (This is taken from the Introduction.)

Third, good is Good, bad is Evil, and never the twain shall meet... Tolkien shows clearly what evil does, and why it must be opposed. There's plenty of other stuff but I think I'll leave some for the other Tolkiendil (a possible name for 'lovers of Tolkien'?) who are here!

[ThreeYearLurker]

Tolkein has influenced many rock and rollers. The song "Misty Mountain Hop" by the demonic hard rock group, Led Zeppelin, was inspired by Tolkein's writings. Marc Bolan, of the rock group Tyannasaurus Rex, created a musical and visual style influenced by Tolkein. The heavy metal rock group Iluvatar named themselves after a fictional god from Tolkein's novel The Silmarillion. Others could be mentioned.

The world knows its own; and when the demonic world of fantasy role-playing and the morally filthy world of rock and roll love something, you can be sure it is not godly and it is not the truth.

No, seriously tell us how you feel.

This reminds me when I went to a maranatha meeting in college, and they tried to convince me that that a rock music was the debbil!

This guy has probably never read the Lord of the Rings. I bet he would be a laugh riot at a cocktail party.

[Portnoy]

The writer says that Tolkien was a Catholic...like its a BAD thing. OH MY GOODNESS HE WAS A C A T H O L I C ! !

And Tolkien begat LOTR which begat Led Zepplin which begat D&D which begat pop rocks which begat cocaine which begat....

[Darth Sidious]

You shouldn't give your e-mail address to mentally unstable people

I'm subscribed to his e-mail list with another address. There's all kinds of nutty nuggets that come in from him.

He's also against people enjoying themselves while watching the Super Bowl, anything having to do with the Beatles, and anyone who dares suggests that any version of the Bible other than KJV is a real Bible also.

[My2Cents]

Is the Lord of the Rings harmless fantasy or perhaps even a wholesome Christian allegory? We think not. I read The Hobbit and the three volumes of The Lord of the Ring in 1971 when I was in Vietnam with the U.S. Army. I was not saved at the time, and, in fact, I was very antagonistic to the Christian faith

Well, there's your problem, Mr. Cloud. You do a critique of a movie based on the books you read 31 years ago, when you weren't a believer. Your impression of the Tolkien books are based on your own particular grid of preconception from 31 years ago, in your pre-Christian life, and it came out negative. I watched Christopher Hitchens on CSPAN this past weekend, attempting to talk about religion, and from his perspective, the crucifixion of Christ is a horrific doctrine: "What God would supposedly save the world through human sacrifice?" That's all he, through his twisted perspective, can see within the death of Christ: senseless human sacrifice.

Mr. Cloud, do yourself a favor and read the books again. The fact that the movie and books were given glowing endorsements by Christianity Today, Focus on the Family, Word magazine, not to mention numerous other Christian writers and publications, should have tipped you off that something was wrong with your narrow perspective.

[kidd]

Heavens to mergatroid! The books were written by a...(gasp)...Catholic!

[Snake65]

We need to add a new special interest group, with this guy as the poster child. Call them "imagination impaired."

[Illbay]

had the books contained even a hint of Bible truth, I can assure you that I would not have read them at that particular point in my life.

Okay, you BACs: Explain to me, please, what is "Bible truth" compared with just plain, ordinary everyday "truth."

[RosieCotton]

Wow. I'm speechless. I'm trying to think of a reply, but for once, I'm at a loss for words.

This isn't a parody of some sort by any chance, is it?

[My2Cents]

Just for the record, I am what many would consider a "fundamentalist Christian" -- I believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible. But I have great respect for many Catholics. In fact, some of the most influential books on my life were written by Catholics: St. John of the Cross, Brother Lawrence, Francois Fenelon, Thomas Merton....

On second thought, maybe I'm not that much of a "fundamentalist Christian..."

[RogueIsland]

D&D is not evil

Well, Gary Gygax's modules were. Oh, wait, maybe I'm just confusing sadistic with evil. ;-)