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Was Hitler's Homosexuality Nazism's Best-Kept Secret?
Insight Magazine ^ | Feb. 4, 2002 | Nathaniel S. Lehrman

Posted on 02/05/2002 12:58:18 PM PST by Double Eagle Sword of Justice

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To: OWK
OK I've found your problem OWK. See you cannot tell the difference between men and women. This explains your confusion.
81 posted on 02/06/2002 6:45:49 AM PST by Khepera
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To: Double Eagle Sword of Justice
Crusaders and Teutonic Knights homsexuals??? Where did this come from? Rubbish!!

Were it not for the fact that Hitler is such a repellent character, I'd suspect that this is just another attempt by the homosexual community to present one more historical personage a a closet queen.

82 posted on 02/06/2002 6:47:17 AM PST by ZULU
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83 posted on 02/06/2002 6:51:47 AM PST by dighton
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To: Double Eagle Sword of Justice
No -- THIS is the Third Reich's best-kept secret:

A recently discovered little known fact may help to explain Hillary Clinton's aggressive and domineering personality: She is, in fact, Adolph Hitler's long lost daughter.

2 months before her suicide with Adolph in the infamous Berlin bunker, Eva Braun gave birth to little "Hildegard" Shickelgruber and arranged to have the baby smuggled across Allied lines to France.

In Marseilles, France, the child was delivered to a kind-hearted ship's captain. Upon landing in New Orleans, the captain personally carried the infant to the home of Eva's second cousin, Dorte Dittlemann, in – appropriately -- Stuttgart, Arkansas.

The rest, as they say, is history!

84 posted on 02/06/2002 6:52:32 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Khepera, OWK, Doctor Doom
To: OWK OK I've found your problem OWK. See you cannot tell the difference between men and women. This explains your confusion. 81 posted on 2/6/02 7:45 AM Pacific by Khepera

Actually, OWK is quite capable of telling the difference between men and women -- which would serve to explain the fact that he has children by the monogamous heterosexual relationship into which he has solemnly covenanted himself, with his wife.

You, on the other hand, appear to be incapable of telling the difference between witnessing the Gospel, and making a jerk of yourself.

You profane the Cause of Christ with your willful Bearing of False Witness, Law-Breaker.

Knock it off.

85 posted on 02/06/2002 7:05:14 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Double Eagle Sword of Justice
Adolf Hitler's homosexuality has been demonstrated beyond question by German historian Lothar Machtan's massively researched new book...

Absolute garbage.

I dislike homosexuality. I dislike Hitler. But I also dislike sloppy and sensationalistic fantasy writing masquerading as history.

As William Shirer (author of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, and correspondent in Germany during the Nazi's rise to power) noted, a peculiarity about Hitler was that virtally the only area in life in which he showed tolerance was in matters of private vice. Consequently, the Nazi Party leadership was filled with drug addicts, perverts, sadists, and drunks. But there is voluminous information about Hitler which demonstrates his personal heterosexuality beyond serious question.

But the Nazi Party itself was riddled with homosexuality as well as other vices for a simple reason. People who would be unsuited for political office by reason of their vices in virtually any other party, found a comfortable home with the Nazis. As long as they were absolutely obedient to Hitler, and absolutely loyal to Nazi Party doctrine, they could do whatever they wanted in their private lives. Homosexual Ernst Roehm, and drug addict Hermann Goerring are prime examples.

86 posted on 02/06/2002 7:07:14 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: OWK
I have doubts about the accuracy of the points made about Hitler. Still, the part of the article that most fascinated me was the "Butch" homos verses the "Femme" homos. Now that I think about it, there does seem to be two different classes of homosexuals whith quite different ways of looking at their homosexuality. Or is that not the case? I am just asking here, never really thought about it.
87 posted on 02/06/2002 7:08:12 AM PST by Ahban
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To: Khepera, OWK, Doctor Doom
Oops... had some additional points I wanted to make...

OWK is an advocate of State non-interventionism on questions of adult sexuality.

And indeed, Nazi Germany does have a lesson to teach us on this matter. Read what your OWN ARTICLE has to say on the subject:

When adult homosexuality is proscribed by State Law, homosexuals will tend to clique themselves together in small, closed-loop societies of mutual aid and advancement -- the "persecuted minority" syndrome. And since homosexuals do not breed, but recruit, their "households" tend to be DINK (Double-Income/No-Kids) allowing for rapid economic and social advancement. As homosexuals rise in economic status within a society, protecting and advancing their own, they acquire greater power and influence.

Without the "persecution complex" of State Prohibition, the tendency of homosexuals to band together for mutual advancement is offset by their tendency to relational infighting -- with some exceptions (nearly all things Human have exceptions), the combination of Male sexual rapacity with Male sexual jealousy can serve to make a homosexual clique a very jealous and back-stabbing group. These relational self-destructive tendencies will, in a free society, tend to neutralize the homosexual's contravailing "protective clique" mentality which provides for their economic advancement and procurement of political power. In a sexual-prohibitionist society, however, the "persecution complex" mentality will become the stronger motivation, overriding homosexuals' fierce jealousies in favor of mutual self-preservation. And, if the political ideology of that homosexual clique which comes to power happens to be vicious and militaristic, then the State will be subordinated for vicious and militaristic purposes -- as we saw in Nazi Germany.

OWK's advocacy of State non-interventionism on questions of adult sexuality is in no way, then, an invitation to the kind of aberrant Cliques which gave rise to Nazism, but rather a sociological deterrence thereof.

88 posted on 02/06/2002 7:31:04 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OKSooner
I agree, and I thought this had been widely accepted for some time that he was a flamer.

If any of you watch SNL, on weekend update, a lot of times they have Chris Kattan come out as Gay Hitler. Usually he makes an appearance with Will Ferrell as Neil Diamond. It always makes me howl with laughter!

89 posted on 02/06/2002 7:31:07 AM PST by Frank Grimes
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To: Thud
The number of homos killed in the camps is very small in proportion to the total of deaths there.
90 posted on 02/06/2002 7:53:54 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Frank Grimes
And they never even got around to Herrmann Goehing (sp?) in his baby-blue Luftwaffe suit...
91 posted on 02/06/2002 8:00:25 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: WhiskeyPapa
No one ever claimed Ernst Roehm was not brave.
92 posted on 02/06/2002 8:01:38 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Double Eagle Sword of Justice
Hey, this explains why the gay activists in this country are so intolerant and fascist-like in their actions. And, now, we know the rest of the story...
93 posted on 02/06/2002 8:07:45 AM PST by Azzurri
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To: joathome
It was fairly widely believed at the time that Hitler killed Geli. Maybe she was taunting him about being a flamer and he lost his temper, bang.
95 posted on 02/06/2002 8:12:11 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Double Eagle Sword of Justice
Never heard of this. He did have perversions, that's for sure, but I don't this was one of them. Even if it was one of them, it would just add to the list.
96 posted on 02/06/2002 8:13:25 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Yeah, well, it's been insinuated that Hitler couldn't have been gay because of the past women in his life. Yikes. What poor women.
97 posted on 02/06/2002 8:32:34 AM PST by joathome
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To: Khepera, OWK, Doctor Doom
Who said I was Witnessing? I was pointing out the world that OWK is promoting.

No, you were bearing False Witness.

OWK promotes monogamous heterosexuality. Just ask him. He will happily affirm that monogamous heterosexuality is healthy and productive, whereas homosexuality is dangerous and reproductively pointless.

He simply does not believe in beating people with a stick to persuade them of that which he promotes.

He also promotes his atheist views on other threads.

And we promote our theist views.

When OWK expresses a logical objection to the claims of Theism, the Christian thing to do (1 Peter 3:15) is to provide him with a logical answer, not attempt to shout him down.

For that matter -- Why on earth would you attempt to shout him down? Are you actually afraid that his questions could damage your Faith? Do you actually worry that his objections might undermine your Faith?

I have no such crises of confidence in my Faith. My confidence is absolute. So OWK's atheism represents no threat to me. If your own confidence is anything less than absolute, the proper intellectual response is not to attempt to silence the atheist, but examine why you are unable to answer him, and strengthen your own intellectual Faith.

He prefers a Godless sodomite society.

He prefers a Free society. I submit that a society in which everyone but OWK believed in God, and everyone (including OWK) was heterosexual, would be perfectly OK with him... as long as it was Free, i.e., voluntary.

Presbyterian on the other hand condones these activities in opposition to the bible and so is apostate and an abomination before God.

"Condone" homosexuality? I do nothing of the kind. Perhaps you should check my bookmarks, and read the article "Tolerate This!!" which I recently posted.

Since I in no way condone homosexuality, you are Bearing False Witness again. And since you know full well that I am not apostate, your bearing of false witness constitutes a direct sin against the Lordship of Christ, your God and King who has commanded you to Not Bear False Witness.

And even now, your neck is stiffening against the Repentance which your bearing of false witness necessitates.

But you MUST repent of your False Witness, Law-Breaker.
Such is the Law of God.

How am I supposed to know his preferences besides through his posts. He has stated his preferences many times as to his perfect world. I am just helping him show others his desired environment. He told me once he liked girls I think but, I do not have to believe his claim. Since he is so adamant in his views I assume he is Bisexual.

OWK is a married heterosexual male. If you ever read his humorous posts on the subject of his Tour of Duty with the US Army in Turkey (where sodomy is apparently somewhat common amongst the locals), you would know that he considers the homosexual act to be, well, just plain "queer", not to mention nauseating. Those are the facts.

You are Bearing False Witness again.

If he is such a fine parent then he should be more concerned that the conduct he is in fact promoting on this website is detrimental not only to society but to his children who will have to live in that society.OWK does not promote homosexual conduct.

He promotes Liberty and Personal Responsibility.

These are not detriments to "society", but rather Positive Goods.

98 posted on 02/06/2002 8:33:09 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: joathome
I won't even tell you what the Vienna prostitutes had to do for him. Just say "yuck!"
99 posted on 02/06/2002 8:48:19 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Ping!--Maybe this can answer some questions about skinheads, anti-Semitism etc.
100 posted on 02/06/2002 9:05:11 AM PST by Ff--150
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