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The Scout, the suspect and the SWAT team Shooting:
Baltimore Sun ^ | 18 March 2002 | Gail Gibson, Michael James and Laura Barnhardt

Posted on 03/18/2002 3:06:32 AM PST by Lloyd227

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

On March 1, FBI agents had a clear plan to catch a man wanted in a bank robbery. What unfolded was a remarkable series of mix-ups with a near-fatal outcome.

The order from an FBI commander to a SWAT team waiting outside a Glen Burnie 7-Eleven was simple and direct.

"Follow the red car."

To FBI Special Agent Christopher Braga, it signaled that the man inside the car, the one wearing the white baseball cap, was the bank robbery suspect agents had been tracking. Braga, with other members of the elite FBI team, moved in to make the arrest.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: copernicus5; donutwatch; enforcement; fbi; government; swat
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To: fogarty
. This is not a Marine, because he has NO honor. This guy is hiding behind the FBI - if he had any honor and accountability at all, he would resign and get ready to be accountable for his actions.

I can't argue with any of that. Apparently,there is no requirement in the FBI now for honor,pride,or self-respect.

41 posted on 03/18/2002 7:20:37 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Travis McGee
One thing which causes these kind of incidents to keep occurring is that the average person will not have it happen to them, although it was an "average person" who was involved this time.

Most people I know still think the police or FBI can do no wrong and must be defended at all costs.

The fact that this agent has apparently shot two unarmed people must make him a fugitive from the law of averages. Also a fugitive from the ranks of decency.

That FBI agents can kill someone because they make a sudden move is rediculous. Each case should stand on its own but that should never be enough by itself.

42 posted on 03/18/2002 7:21:46 AM PST by yarddog
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To: sneakypete
The justification for this is because the feds insure all individual depositer losses up to 100 grand,so that makes stealing money from a bank a federal offense.
Bingo! When you hear or see "FDIC" or "FSLIC" with a bank commercial, that means your deposits are insured by the federal government. And that means that the FBI investigates robberies from those banks (not all banks are federally insured).
43 posted on 03/18/2002 7:27:36 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: Donald Stone
The Harkums are quietly working with Peter G. Angelos' law firm in reviewing their legal options.

Angelos?!


44 posted on 03/18/2002 7:45:00 AM PST by nunya bidness
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To: sneakypete;Travis McGee;Noumenon
The Conversation after the Bang

hey Blottenberger, we Gotcha you little MotherF*5$#@er. we are the real bad a#*ed MotherF*^%$ers here. sceam in pain you a*$hole Blottenburger

Huh? I'm not Blottenberger my name is Schultz call me an ambulance.

Lie there and die Motherf*$#^er This is the FBI your dealing with.

Please my liscense is in my wallet...

It goes on. but why bother.

The consequences of this action will be very much unintended for all theose who are now making decisions about it.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

45 posted on 03/18/2002 7:54:03 AM PST by harpseal
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To: harpseal
I'm feeling a black rage, I'm glad you are able to outline the salient points so well for us.
46 posted on 03/18/2002 7:54:28 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: harpseal
Good summary. These names must not be lost or forgotten.
47 posted on 03/18/2002 7:59:15 AM PST by maica
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To: fogarty
Remember, Special Agent and FBI SWAT member Chris Braga LEFT the Marines to join the Ruby Ridge-Waco Gang.

Maybe he wasn't seeing enough "action" in the peacetime USMC, and wanted to join an outfit with looser "rules of engagement" and a better chance of shooting "perps". I was in Navy Special Warfare, and I am very familiar with the "pray for war" mentality.

If you haven't seen it yet, read this chapter excerpt from my novel in progress.

"The Raid: New Fiction from the War On Domestic Terrorism"

I see Braga as the epitome of BATF STU team leaders Hummel and Jaeger. These FBI HRT and SWAT and ATF SRT guys ALL come from a military specops background. They never put in any time in investigations, they go straight from the SEALs, Rangers, USMC etc to a federal "specops team", where they pick up the same kevlar armor and weapons they used in the military. They bring to "law enforcement" the wartime military "just get results, collateral damage is expected" mentality they had in their old outfits. It's no wonder these incidents occur.

Much worse is going to happen now that that post 9-11 they are on such a hair trigger.

48 posted on 03/18/2002 8:06:13 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
I'm feeling a black rage, I'm glad you are able to outline the salient points so well for us.

I feel that same rage and I share your opinions about the greminalpoliezie. Albeit my German is almost non existant. I am absolutely enraged about this incident and the total lack of an arrest of the culpable individuals. these agents are doing more harm to our national security than anyone except maybe the hijackers who flew the planes into the buildings on September 11, 2001. The FBI is supposed to be our lead domestic national security agency. The failure to prosecute these agents makes the entire FBI suspect and complicit in the attempted murder of an innocent person and that statement is based only upon what the FBI has allowed to be released. If there was anything in the 911 tape that was exculpatory it would be in the public domain already.

Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

49 posted on 03/18/2002 8:09:59 AM PST by harpseal
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To: from occupied ga
Just keep this in mind mein Kamerad:

ES IST VERBOTEN, STAAT SEKURITAT ZU KRITISIERON!

There is a war on, and State Security must NOT be criticized or impeded in any way. If they are not permitted to keep their fingers on their hair triggers, they may not stop the next 9-11. What is a peasant or three shot in the face compared to that?

50 posted on 03/18/2002 8:10:10 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: sneakypete
It's no wonder that this keeps happening when they are never called to account.

Letting these State Security goons continually get away with this sends the clear signal to them that The State considers their good work to be so incredibly vital that a few dead peasants are less important than keeping them on hair triggers.

This will go on until they are punished, or until Rule 308 is applied.

51 posted on 03/18/2002 8:13:37 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: harpseal
The FBI says this is a good shooting? Heads need to roll. This is about a clownish example of a felony car stop that I have ever seen in my life.

To the FBI: Do you have any clue how to make a felony traffic stop?

The agent shot the kid THROUGH THE GLASS of the car. He was in no danger.

When I went to a law enforcement sniper school we were informed that tests had been done shooting through glass, from the inside, or near the glass, to a target on the outside. After the round hits the glass there is no telling where it will go, the shot will be very inaccurate.

I can't believe they figured the robber was known to have BB guns and screwed up what should have been a BASIC felony car stop and shot this poor kid in the face. I wonder at what point the agent felt his life was in danger.

You fella's screwed up big time and need to own up to it.

52 posted on 03/18/2002 8:15:40 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: yarddog
Obviously the FBI considers itself to be so far above mere peasants that they can shoot them for making "sudden movements".

This tells me that they consider their lives and "mission" to be worth more than our worthless lives.

The always to be dreaded National Police is here, and anyone who can't see it is delusional.

53 posted on 03/18/2002 8:17:35 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Oh, wait a minute, I do remember another circus traffic stop, they made a movie about it: "The Miami shoot out", or "How not to make a felony traffic stop, starring the FBI"

Seems we havent learned much.

54 posted on 03/18/2002 8:18:23 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Fred Mertz
Based upon this latest incident, the only thing left to do is to evade such a stop long enough to gain access to your weaponry and then dispatch as many of these thugs as possible before they get to you.
55 posted on 03/18/2002 8:19:26 AM PST by Noumenon
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To: harpseal
I doubt the FBI could understand Schultz' pleas, since he was speaking through a shattered jaw and blasted sinuses full of blood.

Not that they cared.

They probably thought it was funny, his girlfriend crying and all.

Rule 308

56 posted on 03/18/2002 8:20:58 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Cap'n Crunch
As I remember that fiasco, they had all their real serious weapons stolen from the unlocked car while they were in a resturaunt flirting with some waitress just before the encounter.


57 posted on 03/18/2002 8:24:31 AM PST by Howie
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To: Lloyd227
bttt
58 posted on 03/18/2002 8:27:37 AM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: Howie

"Vaterland Sekuritat"

ES IST VERBOTEN, STAAT SEKURITAT ZU KRITISIEREN!

59 posted on 03/18/2002 8:34:49 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Screw 'em! I'm as ready for 'em as I am gonna get!
60 posted on 03/18/2002 8:41:06 AM PST by Howie
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