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1 posted on 03/24/2002 7:10:59 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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The emperor has no clothes.
2 posted on 03/24/2002 7:17:23 PM PST by moyden
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"How many gays were coerced into the lifestyle through molestation? [...] How many gays are gay only because they [...] fear heterosexuality?" If most or many gays are gay because they were coerced into gay sex as children, wouldn't they fear homosexuality, not heterosexuality?
3 posted on 03/24/2002 7:24:56 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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I pretty much agree with the article although I disagree with the mainstream use of the word "homophobia". A -phobia is literally "a persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear". There is nothing abnormal or irrational about being against the practice of homosexuality. The news media insists that there are only 2 kinds of homosexuals: upstanding citizens and victims. I don't believe it.
5 posted on 03/24/2002 7:26:27 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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As usual people would much rather refer to individuals as the making up of a whole group... the uneducated will come forth and preach their gospel as the word because they choose not to open their eyes. Clearly by trying to link the two is like saying if I take apples and if i mix them with Peaches then I can make rain! Clearly as priests, as well as with prison mates the only way to express one's what sexuality is with other men.. it's not a matter of someone being gay or not as more of a crime of opportunity.. While you have the right to be a "homophobe" merely states that you are afriad of your own sexuality.. if you can't talk to or be friend's with a gay man then maybe you are afriad he'll take advantage of you.. clearly if you were secure with yourself you certainly wouldn't think he would try to make any moves on you do you? But that's right..g ay men just can't control themselves and he would be forced to throw himself on you right? Not that their aren't gay men out there that can't no for an answer.. but I believe that falls into rape and last time I checked it wasn't jsut gay men that committed that... you might want to go back and think about what a homophobe really is but you start spouting off such nonsense.
11 posted on 03/24/2002 7:49:36 PM PST by Almondjoy
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Homophobia is a bogus word. It started to crop up about the same time that the homosexuals leaned on the psychologists and persuaded them to remove homosexuality from their standard list of mental illnesses. Now, instead of homosexuality being considered a mental illness, the implication of the word "homophobia" is that anyone who objects to homosexuality is mentally ill. A neat trick. Orwellian, in fact.
12 posted on 03/24/2002 7:52:13 PM PST by Cicero
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Bob Enyart In Print

by Bob Enyart

Michael Galluccio, the homosexual featured on ABC’s Good Morning America, Larry King, and in USA Today, whom the ACLU helped to adopt a child, is my first cousin. He won this battle but I will not give up. Michael’s homosexuality has brought much heartache to our family. Now, we will grieve anew because we know this ruling will further the destructive influence that homosexuals have on children.

Billions of people in the world oppose homosexuals, as have most cultures throughout civilization. Why? Is it because everyone of those billions is bigoted and narrow-minded? I respect and value racial minorities, even though I am in the American majority. I have learned to honor women, even though my society degrades them. I have sought out the elderly for friendship and to serve them, even though I am half their age. And I welcome disabled men and women to my office each week, because I love them.

So why would I disrespect homosexuals? It is not because they are different but because they are wrong. Liberals fight for personal freedom by knocking down the first moral barrier that restrains them. Once down, they find another restriction that must be thrown off. Hence the notion of the slippery slope as men become more determined to rid themselves of any imposed standards. This process has yielded a nation of sexually obsessed, dysfunctional people living in the world’s violent crime capitol.

Examine the record of those who defend homosexual adoption of children. Jim Joy, the executive director of Colorado’s ACLU, admitted to me during a PBS televised debate that the written national policy of the ACLU defends the right to distribute child pornography. As with many leading voices, the ACLU’s opposition of child abuse is hypocrisy. Every such video sold of a thirteen-year-old sexually exploits the child again. So the ACLU, known to tolerate child abuse, sells children out again by advocating their adoption by homosexuals.

Homosexual leaders blatantly voice tolerance for child sex abuse. A prominent gay magazine, Out, quoted Damien Martin, the head of New York’s homosexual Harvey Milk High School, as saying, "No kid has ever been hurt by [oral sex]" in September, 1994 on page 73. The leading gay publication, The Advocate, in an article titled Getting Over It pondered on May 5, 1992 about how many boys "would have missed out on a valuable, liberating experience—one that initiated them into their sexuality—if it weren’t for so-called molestation?"

Time magazine also lacks zero tolerance for homosexual child abusers. They quoted the ACLU in defense of an aggressive advocate of pedophilia. NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association exists to promote homosexual sex with young boys. Leading gay-pride organizers in New York and San Francisco allowed NAMBLA to march undisguised in their parades repeatedly during the last two decades. A Time article grotesquely titled For the Love of Kids in November, 1993 quoted the ACLU defending a New York City teacher, Peter Melzer who edits the NAMBLA journal. Melzer published an article In Praise of the Penises, on "how to make that special boy feel good." As to the police report on Melzer’s alleged sex with a Filipino boy, Time assured its readers, there is no hard evidence that he abused this "or any other boy in the U.S." In the U.S.?

The media defends homosexuals who want to adopt children, but it also supports homosexuals who openly advocate sex with kids. The national media warmly eulogized Alan Ginsburg this past spring conveniently ignoring this homosexual poet’s public endorsement of NAMBLA. Where I now live, a convicted pedophile, who says today he controls his longings, is running for Denver School Board with the support of many in the homosexual community. Long-time gay activist David Thorstad, founding member of the Coalition for Lesbian and Gay Rights and former president of the New York Gay Activists Alliance loudly protested when in 1993 the March on Washington organizers broke with tradition and excluded pedophiles like NAMBLA. With all the attention, they feared the media would expose the homosexual acceptance of pedophilia. Talk about paranoia.

The nation’s largest gay publicist, Alyson Publications of Boston, which distributes Daddy’s Roommate and other homosexual books for kids, published Paedophilia: The Radical Case, hundreds of pages of why and how seven year old boys should be brought to climax. Another Alyson book, The Age Taboo on page 144 insists: "Boy-lovers... are not child molesters. The child abusers are... parents who force their staid morality onto the young people in their custody."

A Florida judge recently ruled unconstitutional their age-of-consent law, following northern European nations in lowering the age at which dirty old men can legally set their sights on boys. Liberal ideas have taken their expected course with lawyers arguing that since adolescents have the right over their own bodies regardless of what parents or legislators think, then they can elect sex whenever and with whomever they choose, with age discrimination ultimately unenforceable.

America’s newspapers are their silent partners. Those who are soft on child sex, or even those boldly endorsing it, have nothing to fear from the mainstream media. Partly because of the media’s silence, the Clinton administration voted to give ILGA, the International Lesbian and Gay Association consulting status at the United Nations even though NAMBLA was a full and active member of that organization, even appearing on its letterhead. Imagine, professed pedophiles advising on international child law. NAMBLA remained at the UN until the outcry of the religious right ousted them.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Thus the broadly overlapping groups, the homosexual community and the open pedophiles, are longtime allies. Both groups work to break down previously unquestioned sexual standards. The national Gay Rights Platform of 1972 called for the repeal of all age-of-consent laws. Gay activist Andy Humm bragged of his influence over the New York City Council in the New York Native, August, 1983 and wrote that, "No one should be denied basic civil rights because of his or her orientation, whether the person be homosexual, heterosexual, transsexual, transvestite, pedophile, sadist, masochist, asexual—whatever one can imagine."

I am not saying that my cousin will sexually molest a child. I am saying that homosexuals have long given aid and comfort to pedophiles, publicly. And I am saying that the media and other defenders of homosexuals are the silent partners of those who work toward the day when children are a sex commodity. The media rejects but intuitively fears the connection between child molestation and homosexuality. It therefore suppresses reports of the torrent of public advocacy for gay pedophilia. Instead, the media wears out the same worn cliché that homosexuals are no more likely to molest children than heterosexuals.

On homosexual initiation, sex researchers Masters and Johnson wrote in Human Sexual Inadequacy that "Recruitment usually was accomplished by an older male, frequently in his twenties, but occasionally men in their thirties were the initiators… the teenager was left with the concept that whether or not he continued as an active homosexual, he would always be homophile-oriented." Homosexuals do reproduce sexually, by molesting children. According to a 1994 Out article titled "The Men From the Boys," the director of a home for runaway youth admits that between 14 and 16 years of age, he "probably had sex with well over a thousand people, most of them much older than myself." This boy hardly met a homosexual adult who would not have sex with him.

Of Canadians imprisoned for pedophilia, a 1991 report reveals that 91 percent of molesters of non-familial boys admitted to no lifetime sexual contact other than homosexual according to Volume 6, page 323 of the Journal of Interpersonal Violence. In America, about one third of the children sexually molested are boys, and about ninety percent of them are hurt by men. The refereed scientific journal, Psychological Reports in 1986 presented research in Volume 58 starting on page 327 showing that homosexuals commit a far greater percentage of child sex crimes than demographics alone account for.

Every man molesting a boy is committing a homosexual act. Young boys do not excite straight men. To let a homosexual make the point in his own words, the San Francisco Sentinel published a letter on March 26, 1992 headlined, "No Place for Homo-Homophobia" with the common admission that, "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality. For the gay community to imply that boy-love is not homosexual love is ridiculous." Activist pedophiles easily find media outlets.

Families have tried to hide their shame when one of their own gives in to vile passions. Many homosexuals claim to have their parent’s complete acceptance, but almost without exception gays show no physical affection, not even a peck on the cheek, in front of parents and grand-parents. Many are in denial but they fail to hide the truth.

Traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs reflect the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuals. Over a billion mothers in the world, in giving birth, did not wish for their children to be homosexuals. Over a billion mothers cannot be wrong. Human beings have a natural revlusion to contaminates. Hence even the thought of ingesting putrefied meat makes one gag, as does the sight of two gay men kissing. We are born with natural defense mechanisms. Homophobes are born that way. Homophobia is genetic. And no one has a right to suppress us. We are not going back into the closet.

Homosexuality is still a crime in twenty American states. Yet in an effort to normalize it, Hollywood ridicules the traditional family. Why mock a family unit of a mom, dad and kids? Because perversion is self-evident next to wholesomeness. Men will accept depravity if first they scorn goodness. So liberals laud every permutation of the family except for the traditional one. They deride Ozzie and Harriet, scorn the Beaver’s parents and fight tooth and nail against the notion that any such family ever existed. Why the dread of normality? Because if it exists, the homosexual life fails by comparison. Out of concern for children, and for my nation, and out of a desire that my cousin experience justice, I will continue to fight to re-criminalize homosexuality.

Source: http://www.enyart.com/writings/homoadopt.html

13 posted on 03/24/2002 7:52:35 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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Look, from the scant evidence that's available on the subject of pedophilia (given all the secrecy it involves), the most common form is grown men preying on young girls. Just as that does not indict all the many straight men that do NOT abuse children, the men who abuse young boys should not indict all gay men. It looks to me like the problem here is pedophilia, regardless of the gender of the perp or victim. Why obfuscate the core problem?
24 posted on 03/24/2002 8:34:24 PM PST by ellery
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Homo-Phobic. ( Homo-MAN Phobic- Fear of) I am not afraid of men and will not use this word which was invented by gays, who were looking for a word to discribe anyone who opposes their life style. It has been used as a put down for anyone with any moral opposition to the gay agenda.
46 posted on 03/24/2002 8:47:52 PM PST by Texas Mom
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Homosexuals are mutants with an anal bile fetish. They walk by an outhouse and they get an erection. They should work at sewer plants. They'd never have to buy lunch.
59 posted on 03/24/2002 8:59:26 PM PST by concerned about politics
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You raise good points. Pedophilia and "ephebophilia" have a lot to do with people's feelings about homosexuality. A devil's advocate would point out that many lesbians feel the same way about heterosexual men and for the same reason. A lot of them were abused by men. Statistically you may be able to show that homosexual men are more apt to abuse children sexually than heterosexual men. Militant lesbians would argue that it's men who are more likely to do so than women. Strong feelings are understandable here and statistics may back them up, but the real culprit here are the abusers themselves. The longer this priest scandal goes on the more people will support the Boy Scouts. They do seem to have avoided what befell the Catholic Church. What this will mean about people's attitude towards homosexuality isn't yet clear, though.
142 posted on 03/24/2002 10:03:44 PM PST by x
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"Pedophilia Chic" Reconsidered - The taboo against sex with children continues to erode:

"...For elsewhere in the public square, the defense of adult-child sex—more accurately, man-boy sex—is now out in the open. Moreover, it is on parade in a number of places—therapeutic, literary, and academic circles; mainstream publishing houses and journals and magazines and bookstores—where the mere appearance of such ideas would until recently have been not only unthinkable, but in many cases, subject to prosecution...

...Plainly, as the record even then showed, a surprising number of voices were willing to rise up on behalf of what advocates refer to as "man-boy love," or what most people call sexual abuse..."

For one thing, no sustained public challenges have arisen over other primal taboos. Even more telling, if nihilism and nihilism alone were the explanation for public attempts to legitimize sex with boy children, then we would expect the appearance of related attempts to legitimize sex with girl children; and these we manifestly do not see. Nobody, but nobody, has been allowed to make the case for girl pedophilia with the backing of any reputable institution. Publishing houses are not putting out acclaimed anthologies and works of fiction that include excerpts of men having sex with young girls. Psychologists and psychiatrists are not competing with each other to publish studies demonstrating that the sexual abuse of girls is inconsequential; or, indeed, that it ought not even be defined as "abuse."

Two examples from the last few weeks will suffice to show the double standard here. In the November 12 New York Times Book Review, a writer found it unremarkable to observe of his subject, biographer Gavin Lambert, that when "Lambert was a schoolboy of 11, a teacher initiated him [into homosexuality], and he 'felt no shame or fear, only gratitude.'" It is unimaginable that New York Times editors would allow a reviewer to describe an 11-year-old girl being sexually "initiated" by any adult (in that case, "initiation" would be called "sexual abuse"). Similarly, in mid-December the New York Times Magazine delivered a cover piece about gay teenagers in cyberspace which was so blasé about the older men who seek out boys in chat rooms that it dismissed those potential predators as mere "oldies." Again, one can only imagine the public outcry had the same magazine published a story taking the same so-what approach to online solicitation, off-line trysts, and pornography "sharing" between anonymous men and underage girls."


156 posted on 03/24/2002 10:18:05 PM PST by EdReform
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The title of your article should read "Heterophobia and Pedophilia - joined at the lip".

Regards,

198 posted on 03/25/2002 1:57:31 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine
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204 posted on 03/25/2002 5:08:10 AM PST by EdReform
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Homophobes should feel no guilt, in fact, they should feel more vigilent, based on the most recent revelations that only add more fuel to the fire

You got that right. Homosexuals feel comfortable molesting innocents to young to understand and too weak to fight back. Homosexuals who go after little same sex children are the lowest of the low. It is easy to molest a child. Much harder to molest an adult. Worse.....those perverts often tell the children they use to achieve their orgasms off of that 'the sexual encounter could NOT have happened if the child were not homosexual to begin with'. Talk about rape---it not only breaks the trust of a little child, it may impact his ability to function as a heterosexual for the rest of his life if he buys into such horrid crap. Literally, crap.

206 posted on 03/25/2002 5:28:02 AM PST by Republic
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Quite an interesting thread here...lots of opinions, lots of 'facts' and 'figures' being thrown around here...not sure if these 'facts and figures' are real or imaginary, or if they are just what people want to believe...

I have no idea what causes homosexuality...I have seen people on this thread, state absolutely, that all homosexuals are that way, because they were abused by another homosexual, and that they know no other way...

Some people believe homosexuality is a choice, some believe its genetic and that one has no choice...

Some people want to believe that almost all homosexuals are also pedophiles(but seem to run for cover when its brought up that many heterosexual men abuse little girls, or state that even tho men may abuse little girls, they are usually family members and this is harder to root out...small consolation for those little girls abused by strangers)

Everyone has their own opinion, and are entitled to it...

For me, the issue has always been to protect my children from any pedophile, homosexual or heterosexual...I always told my boys, that if ever, any man or any woman, ever touched them in an inappropriate place, that they must come and tell me about it...And I always emphasized that it did not matter who the abusing person might be...whether it was a teacher, a minister, a friends parents, a cub scout leader, a neighbor, a relative or a bum on the street....

I trusted no one when it came to my kids...I was not paranoid, nor did I try to make my boys paranoid...I just simply and matter of factly explained to them, that there are bad and evil people out in the world, people who harm and abuse children...I told them most people are good, and would not harm them, but they must be ever watchful, be ever careful, and realize that as their mom, I would protect them, and believe them if they came to me with the truth...

Its a hard job to keep ones children safe...and I would probably try to kill anyone who tried to sexually abuse my children...And whether the abuser was a homosexual or a heterosexual makes absolutely no difference to me..

221 posted on 03/25/2002 12:43:07 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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