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Scientist's Computer Model Forecasts Extinction
Personal outrage | 10 APR 02 | Whitey Appleseed

Posted on 04/10/2002 4:59:39 PM PDT by WhiteyAppleseed

Full Title:Scientist’s Computer Projections Fail to Reveal Tree Threatened by Fatal Disease, Extinction Likely (Opinion is Divided, though a Review is Unlikely)

Subtitled: Computer Model Revealing lack of alligators at North Pole is cause for Concern (Environmentalists Shout Save Allie!)

There are two bills in Congress,H.R. 2829 and H.R. 3705, to amend the Endangered Species Act of 1973. If approved, the law would require empirical, field-tested data and peer-reviewed data for ESA action. Too much analytical modeling-theory is the trend, a method that has been shown to fail expensively with attempts to manufacture habitat for the Piping Plover in Nebraska.

On February 16, 2002, in Grand Island Nebraska, a farmer named Tom Schwarz testified during a House Resources Committee Field Hearing. Mr. Schwarz, representing the Nebraska Water Users, also known as NWU, told the committee, ”Our organization traces its roots to a federal court order issued 12 years ago this week. Early in the relicensing process for FERC Projects 1417 and 1835—the hydroelectric projects of Central Nebraska Public Power and Irrigation District and Nebraska Public Power District--environmental organizations, with the backing of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, attempted to require the districts to release water stored for irrigation, supposedly to benefit endangered species. Before the order was stayed 80,000 acre feet of water was dumped and to this day no benefits to the species were ever shown.”

It is this kind of “precautionary principle” decisions, called for by the little barking environmental dogs and all, based on modeling theory, that the two bills before Congress are trying to address. This was the same kind of “precautionary principle” choices that left the Klamath Basin farmers high and dry, their grievances ignored.

The Nebraska farmer wasn’t done there, however. While relating another story of “mitigation” that calls foradding sediment to the riverNot only was Nebraska being asked to provide 130,000 acre feet of water and 10,000 acres of habitat, now the ridiculous idea of adding thousands and thousands of tons of sand to the river each year had been introduced.”

This hair-brained idea came about from the good scientists using modeling theory, bad science pushed to the forefront because the ESA as written and enforced permits it. Mr. Schwarz is one out of many Americans who see the ESA as a tool of control ”to gain power through control of water and land. The evidence is everywhere. Every spring 500,000 Sandhill cranes use the river and their numbers have increased since the 1960s. Yet of the 150 whooping cranes that migrate a few weeks later, and never more than a handful of them land on the Platte, we don’t seem to have enough habitat. How can that be when the Service uses Sandhill habitat as a surrogate for the whoopers?

As Mr. Shwarz said and I think we all agree: “The system we have now related to administering the ESA is broken.”

I urge everyone to contact your representative in Congress. Ask him or her to support HR 2829 and HR 3705. Ask them to sign on as a co-sponsor of these bills.

The ESA is a reckless buzzsaw used to destroy the Tree of Liberty’s protective shade. The Act has hurt citizens. In 2001, the Act killed four fire fighters. Farmers in Oregon lost their livelihoods because of bad science and the ESA.

The Northern Spotted Owl snatched the life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from thousands of hard-working countrymen. Recently, it was discovered that the Northern Spotted Owl breeds with the California Spotted Owl. Will that science be used to delist the bird and return Americans to work?

Federal and state scientists committed fraud in a lynx survey; they claimed they were testing the system. Mr. Hansen, of Utah, said: “If this is true, it shows a fundamental mistrust that these scientists have for the very science they are using.” Former Rep. Kelly used the same lame excuse when he was caught in Abscam. Their actions could have affected management decisions in fifteen states and fifty-seven national forests, my home state of Michigan among them.

The Endangered Species Act will be thirty next year. Enacted in 1973, the House passed the bill 390 to 12 and the Senate passed a similar measure on a 92 to 0 vote. President Nixon signed the new bill into public law. Congress has wrestled over reauthorizing the ESA for years. You have to wonder if it would ever see the light of day, if we knew then, 30 years ago, what we know today. The Act is holy writ to the environmental evangelists who never seem to unable to find a Chicken Little scientific model that is used to harm our countrymen.

On March 20, 2002, the House Committee on Resources heard testimony from a variety of people. Interestingly, among them was Peter Illyn, Executive Director for a ministry called Restoring Eden. His testimony speaks volumes about the future of the enforcement of the ESA. His testimony discussed the biblical and moral argument for good stewardship as it relates to the ESA. His testimony is evidence of what many have been saying for years, that environmentalists have made their case a religious cause, and the many examples where irresponsible science was used to forfeit private property shows an alarming trend that we can ill afford to ignore.

I believe it was Hayek who wrote: ” It is possible that a fanatical religious group will impose upon the rest restrictions which its members will be pleased to observe but which will be obstacles for others in the pursuit of important aims.” In the case of the Endangered Species Act, Americans face an Inquisition the likes of which has never been seen.

One of the original patriots, Sam Adams, said: "If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." American lives have been harmed by this destructive Act and too often (as with the Klamath farmers) it has been a case of too little, too late, and their voice, raised in collective protest and redoubled by other concerned citizens, was ignored. I could easily pose a canny analogy to our nation’s early days, in which legitimate grievances were ignored and a crisis followed. Now is the time for us to stand among our fellow countrymen whose lives have been harmed by the ESA, a threat to the beauty of the Tree of Liberty, an endangered species.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: enviralists; esa; freetrade; geopolitics; govwatch; hr2829; hr3705; landgrab; nwo; resourcecommittee
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1 posted on 04/10/2002 4:59:39 PM PDT by WhiteyAppleseed
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To: *Enviralists;editor-surveyor;farmfriend;Carry Okie

2 posted on 04/10/2002 5:13:16 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: WhiteyAppleseed
btt - "One of the original patriots, Sam Adams, said: "If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." "
3 posted on 04/10/2002 5:33:45 PM PDT by XBob
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To: WhiteyAppleseed
Although the ESA does need work and these bills contain promising components, this is not the direction I recommend. Addressing the corruption in agencies by throwing a bone to the universities will backfire. I promise you.

I think managing habitat for endangered species is a perfectly reasonable land use that the owner should be free to market as a service. Endangered species should be treated economically as the assets that they are with a risk of loss priced actuarially. Census data should be private property as certified by an insured third party. For more information on this proposal, please consider my book: Natural Process: That Environmental Laws May Serve the Laws of Nature.

4 posted on 04/10/2002 6:03:08 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Libertarianize the GOP; 1Old Pro; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; a_federalist; abner; aculeus...
"The ESA is a reckless buzzsaw used to destroy the Tree of Liberty’s protective shade. The Act has hurt citizens. In 2001, the Act killed four fire fighters. Farmers in Oregon lost their livelihoods because of bad science and the ESA."

And nobody will know unless we tell them; the "news" media have essentially spiked the story.

5 posted on 04/10/2002 7:41:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: Carry_Okie
"Addressing the corruption in agencies by throwing a bone to the universities will backfire. I promise you."

About this there can be no doubt; our universities have little or no intellectual honesty, and ZERO credibility.

6 posted on 04/10/2002 7:45:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: Carry_Okie
The greater wrong would be to do nothing to amend the ESA. The testimony I read from the February 16 Resource Committee meeting had many helpful insights form a variety of people. There were good points brought to light that could be incorporated into HR 2829 and HR 3705.

I don't see the proposed legislation as "throwing a bone to the universities," although their input would be welcomed, I'm sure, if I read the language of the bills correctly.

Some suggestions had to do with land-owner co-operation.

William Rex Amack, Director Nebraska Game and Parks Commission mentioned a program of the USFWS, quote, The United States Fish and Wildlife Service works with private landowners in the conservation and recovery of species by providing technical assistance and through Asafe harbor@ agreements. A safe harbor agreement assures landowners that improving habitat for species will not restrict land-use options on their land in the future. The key to recovery is the cooperation of many partners working together to develop innovative conservation and management actions that benefit the species, while accommodating socioeconomic goals."

There was a wealth of information and viewpoints presented at the March 20th meeting of the House Resource Committee, that could be incorporated into the bills.

7 posted on 04/10/2002 7:54:35 PM PDT by WhiteyAppleseed
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To: WhiteyAppleseed
The Northern Spotted Owl snatched the life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from thousands of hard-working countrymen. Recently, it was discovered that the Northern Spotted Owl breeds with the California Spotted Owl. Will that science be used to delist the bird and return Americans to work?

I live in the heart of the devastation caused by the listing of the Northern Spotted Owl (and the Marbled Murralett). Can you steer me to the research on the marriage of the Owls?

8 posted on 04/10/2002 8:07:19 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: tubebender
Try this: Northern spotted owls losing genetic distinctiveness
9 posted on 04/10/2002 8:12:27 PM PDT by WhiteyAppleseed
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To: WhiteyAppleseed
A safe harbor agreement assures landowners that improving habitat for species will not restrict land-use options on their land in the future.

Farmers, when I was a kid, used to leave a row or two on the end or side of their fields for the local habit. Rabbits, deer, pheasants, foxes, etc. were common on every farm and ranch because of the attitude of the country living folks. They enjoyed watching the wildlife on their property.

Along comes the EPA and ESA, the farmers starting cutting and burning the ditches, cutting every bit of possible growth out of their fields. WHY ? Because they are terrified that the EPA or ESA is going to come along and say, "You have this endangered <>snake<>bug<>animal<>turtle<> living on your property and we are ordering that you do not use fertilizer or grow crop in this 160 acre field!

Common sense went out the window when the UN started these agencies!

10 posted on 04/10/2002 8:14:26 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: WhiteyAppleseed
During the March 6th Resource Committee Hearing on the National Canada Lynx Survey, Kevin S. McKelvey Research Scientist Rocky Mountain Research Station U.S.D.A. Forest Service presented information about the protocol used in the lynx study. Considering the fairly strict protocol that was in place, and considering that previous tests showed a high rate of accuracy for their protocol, as explained by Mr. McKelvey, the only conclusion one can draw (along with the other testimony) is that the Lynch-Fraud-Seven willfully and knowingly exceeded their authority. One can only wonder how often this has occurred in the past.

Considering that scientific computer modeling is used to implement the Endangered Species Act, computer modeling that is an educated guess at best, I'm surprised that the outcry is not louder!

11 posted on 04/10/2002 8:22:17 PM PDT by WhiteyAppleseed
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To: WhiteyAppleseed;Carry_Okie;SierraWasp;forester;B4Ranch;sasquatch
This is an article on the bill that appeared in this issue of the Grange News. Sorry Carry_Okie, they wouldn't listen to me then, they sure won't listen now. I may get on the Legislative Committee and be able to effect policy that way.

Sound Science Bills To Reform ESA In Congress Following Court Findings of "Junk Science"

by George Dupray

Occasionally, there comes a piece of legislation that looks and sounds just like it came directly from Grange policy. Over and over, we have said that Grangers are the soul and body of real conservation and protectors of the space in which we live, raise families, earn our living and feed the world. We have fought the good fight for rural America and continue to do so today. So, here comes something we can all stand behind and hopefully win a serious battle over those who would rather de-populate rural America.

Congressman Greg Waldon of Oregon has introduced House of Representatives (H. R.) Bill 2829 that speaks to the use of sound science over the current unproven, emotional, and capricious rule making procedure. Current practice in setting the rules destroys confidence and trust in our Constitutional protections. The title of the bill is the Sound Science for Endangered Species Act Planning Act of 2001. This is a five point plan of action that will, in the end, restore some of the trust in the effort to save some species.

. A companion bill has been introduced inthe Senate, S-1912. Authored by Smith of Oregon, has been given the title, Sound Science for Endangered Species Decisionmaking Act of 2002.

Language in the companion bill varies slightly from the House version, but the essential provisions calling for peer reviewed, sound science as well as data collected from landowners and information submitted by the public in response to public notification of the proposed listing.

The following chart is a side-by-side comparison of what the bill calls for as opposed to current practice. You are encouraged to write to your Congressman in support of this issue. And when you do, please tell them you are a Granger and proud of the fact that the Grange has worked so hard in getting this issue addressed.

12 posted on 04/10/2002 9:01:49 PM PDT by farmfriend
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To: B4Ranch
"Along comes the EPA and ESA, the farmers starting cutting and burning the ditches, cutting every bit of possible growth out of their fields. WHY ?"

Every drain, a wetland. Every fencerow, a critical habitat.

13 posted on 04/10/2002 9:09:48 PM PDT by okie01
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To: farmfriend
ESA Sound Science Legislation - A Side-by-Side Comparison H.R. 2829, the "Sound Science for Endangered Species Act Planning Act of 2001"; S. 1912, the "Sound Science for Endangered Species Decisionmaking Act of 2002"; and the current Endangered Species Act.
14 posted on 04/10/2002 9:17:01 PM PDT by WhiteyAppleseed
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To: editor-surveyor
bump
15 posted on 04/10/2002 9:20:18 PM PDT by mafree
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To: mafree
.......and Israel and Palis agree to continue fighting to the end.
16 posted on 04/10/2002 9:31:18 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr
Unfortunately, that situation does seem hopeless.
17 posted on 04/10/2002 9:36:27 PM PDT by mafree
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To: WhiteyAppleseed
A BUMP to help keep America free!
18 posted on 04/10/2002 9:54:40 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: WhiteyAppleseed;farmfriend;B4Ranch;sasquatch;SierraWasp;hopalong;Rowdee;dirtboy;blam...
Spoken like a true Beltway staffer. I'll bet you think you came here to announce what we were to support and watch us line up like the great unwashed.

The greater wrong would be to do nothing to amend the ESA.

I see. The tyranny of the urgent justifies the means. Really? After nearly thirty years?

Those species, even those that are migratory, are integral to processes that are all that constitutes private property. My web-site contains a philosophical proof of that. It may be just what the SCOTUS is looking for. Any civic claim to represent the interests of endangered species is no more than an expressed claim on the part of a civic agent to control the use of private property in the interest of the politically dominant. In fact, to socialize a species is to place its welfare at the hands of an agent that derives its income only as long as the species is in trouble. That is in contradiction of the terms of the treaties that are the authority for the ESA. I’ll bet you can’t wait for that constitutional challenge.

The testimony I read from the February 16 Resource Committee meeting had many helpful insights form a variety of people. There were good points brought to light that could be incorporated into HR 2829 and HR 3705.

Ah the ol “consensus” pitch from those invited to comment. Very smooth. We see that one all over, except they call themselves democrats, socialists, and globalists... Your assumption is that the claim of agency for rare and endangered species are the legitimately the exclusive province of government, a civic monopoly. So do all the supplicants you invite. My intent is to blow that claim out of the water entirely. Such control is hardly constitutional as managing species habitat is a perfectly reasonable business, a premise co-linear within both the Convention on Nature Protection or CITES. After presenting the thesis, later chapters in the book demonstrate how sophisticated are its capabilities. Would you like to know how to blow those treaties out of the water instead of “reforming” the ESA into concrete? Would you like to know how property owners can get standing in those sweetheart suits between agencies and NGOs? I don’t suppose you know that the Convention on Nature Protection presumes to control all land and all species in the United States without any limits to the commitment? If you don’t, take a gander at the preamble and then Article V. I have the Congressional Record on that one. Cordell Hull lied to the Senate about the scope of that part of the Convention. No recorded vote either.

I don't see the proposed legislation as "throwing a bone to the universities," although their input would be welcomed, I'm sure, if I read the language of the bills correctly.

Then you are either blind, ignorant, or dishonest; take your pick. The sole power to confer peerage is strictly controlled by a university oligopoly nearly totally dependent upon Federal funding or tax-exempt foundations that are using the power to control grant funding of “scientific” research to control the value of natural resources, commodities, real estate, imported goods, or even as tools of foreign policy to prop up foreign loans. That is a systemic conflict of interest with those of the species and American property owners. Heck, these people even manipulate currencies as part of this game.

William Rex Amack, Director Nebraska Game and Parks Commission mentioned a program of the USFWS, quote, The United States Fish and Wildlife Service works with private landowners in the conservation and recovery of species by providing technical assistance and through safe harbor agreements. A safe harbor agreement assures landowners that improving habitat for species will not restrict land-use options on their land in the future. The key to recovery is the cooperation of many partners working together to develop innovative conservation and management actions that benefit the species, while accommodating socioeconomic goals."

The assumption is, of course, that the USFWS is a competent agent, that they legitimately can determine what is acceptable accommodation, or that they don’t serve the select interests of both themselves and large campaign donors to control resource market as a system of political favors. The very idea that centralized planning systems are capable of doing this job from Washington is bizarre, much less that it is optimal. It’s too corrupt to do it even if its motives were pure. I assure you they are not because USFWS operates within a motivational architecture that is structurally adverse to the interests of species or private property owners. Under my free-market management method those interests are co-aligned and all the same principles that make our free market industries flourish then come to fore.

There was a wealth of information and viewpoints presented at the March 20th meeting of the House Resource Committee, that could be incorporated into the bills.

The usual suspects I am certain. I didn’t get a plane ticket. What do you bet if I showed up they would have let me testify?

Some suggestions had to do with land-owner co-operation.

This is the most damning thing you wrote, and I am sure that you can’t see it. Co-operation? You assume the legitimacy of the entire process. It is so ingrained that you scoff at the very idea of anything different as if I don't know what's going on in your little club. Sir, it’s the landowners’ property to control. The very act of extending a civic claim to control those assets is destructive to the economic worth of the species as the basis for profitable management services, caring for species integral to maintaining a functioning ecosystem so that urban populations can take advantage of proximity. It has gone so far that you can’t even conceive of such a thing. You are so used to civic control it’s no wonder I spend 80% of my time explaining to people how a free market in risk management works.

19 posted on 04/10/2002 10:17:33 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: B4Ranch
Common sense went out the window when the UN started these agencies!

The UN is an American creation. It is intended as a get-around against the Constitution using the supposed primacy of internaitonal law. It benefits the extremely rich almost exclusively, all altruistic crocodile tears to the contrary.

20 posted on 04/10/2002 10:22:56 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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