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Dinesh comes to Amherst: IZZY LYMAN ALERT!!!
Enter Stage Right! ^ | 4/29/02 | Izzy Lyman

Posted on 04/29/2002 3:20:21 PM PDT by RaceBannon

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Dinesh comes to Amherst

By Isabel Lyman
web posted April 29, 2002

Multiculturalists, wearing hijabs and keffiyehs, in earnest anxiety, attended Dinesh D'Souza's speech on "The Superiority of Western Civilization" at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst on April 24.

So, if you thought that a topic like this would be a d'snooza on a campus where bored students elevator surf for fun, you would be wrong.

The multicultis showed up - not to listen and learn - but to protest. A South Asian (anti-) American named Sonny Suchev said he came "to show my resistance to this bigoted man."

Ignorance, as the leftists say, is no excuse for bigotry, sonny boy.

A heckler clad in a Teamsters jacket shouted that he was "going to be extremely disruptive," because he was opposed to "this man's racist lies."

Ever try reading the UMass code of conduct, pal? Even the libertines who run this university have standards. The code says: "No student shall intentionally and substantially interfere with the freedom of expression of another person on University premises."

The Republican Club members, who organized the event, were prepared to manhandle this drama king to the door, but he shut up, and the presentation began. Dinesh posed this question to the audience: Why has the West been able to accumulate so much economic, political, and military power? Slavery, colonialism, and imperialism, by the way, are not the correct responses.

Dinesh D'Souza"There is nothing particularly western about either slavery or colonialism," began Dinesh. "Every known civilization has had slavery. The Chinese had it; the Indians had it; the Greeks and Romans, of course, had it. Slavery was common all over Africa. American Indians had slaves long before Columbus put one foot on this continent."

He continued, "If you want to know what is exclusively and uniquely western, it is not slavery, but emancipation. Never in the history of the world, outside the West, has a group of people, who are eligible not to be slaves but to be slave owners, mobilized against slavery."

Game, Western Civ.

He then offered the three reasons why western civilization has become rich and powerful: science, democracy and capitalism.

"Science, by which I mean, experimentation and verification and checking and laboratories ... and the scientific method. It explains why 95 per cent of all the major inventions of the last 200 years have occurred in the West," he said.

He defined capitalism as property rights and contracts, and the courts to enforce them. Democracy is equated with free elections, peaceful transitions of power, and the separation of powers. "Science, democracy, and capitalism acting together are the real internal source of western affluence and western success," he noted.

Set, Western Civ.

Finally, Dinesh, who is the author of What's So Great About America, shared this paradox: The best ideals of western civilization have been implemented in the United States. Consequently, while many foreigners are resentful, even hateful, of America and America's success, she never ceases to attract hordes of immigrants across her borders. Why?

He noted that we are a nation in which construction workers spend four dollars for a non-fat latte at Starbucks and "where the poor people," as one of Dinesh's countrymen from India has observed, "are fat."

"More than any other country, America gives a very good life to the ordinary guy," he noted. But the material affluence, while important, pales in comparison to the ability for any newcomer or young person to be "the architect of your own destiny."

It is this "subversive" idea of freedom that caused the jihad against Miss America. "The Islamic view is that you cannot selectively import the West. If you take some of it, you are going to get most, if not all, of it. And, if you get all of it, the effects of it would be disastrous. It would be to undermine people's faith in Allah, and it would be to capsize political and religious hierarchies. It would create a moral revolution in society," explained Dinesh.

And we will never forget the horror that resulted when our enemies tried to halt this revolution. They came, they saw, and they bombed ... but they didn't conquer.

Match, Western Civ.

The end of Dinesh's powerful speech signaled the beginning of the audience participation time - a low moment for both higher education and western civilization. International students criticized Mr. D'Souza for the Americanized pronunciation of his name and for not displaying enough loyalty to his native country. One coed chastised him for calling women "girls" and for using the term "third world." Another airhead complained that the Shah had required Iranian women to wear mini-skirts. What?!

English isn't the first language of Zohreh Rastegar - the Iranian television journalist who was sitting in front of me - but the two adjectives she chose to describe Dinesh's young critics were fitting: immature and brainwashed.

I would add, desagradecidos. That's multicultural for 'ungrateful.'

Izzy Lyman, author of The Homeschooling Revolution and operator of Icky's Blog, can be reached at ilyman7449@aol.com.

Buy Dinesh D'Souza's What's So Great About America at Amazon.com for only $19.57 (30% off)

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KEYWORDS: amherst; dineshdsouza; izzylyman
Izzy Lyman Bump!!
1 posted on 04/29/2002 3:20:21 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon;

2 posted on 04/29/2002 3:22:27 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
Dinesh is so good.
3 posted on 04/29/2002 3:23:36 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: RaceBannon
Bump to both Izzy and Dinesh!
4 posted on 04/29/2002 3:30:31 PM PDT by Scholastic
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To: RaceBannon
Who knows? Maybe HE can talk some sense into those skulls full of mush when no one else can. (Only referring to the ones who aren't already socialists.)
6 posted on 04/29/2002 3:32:24 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, Annie Dear, he is. Much better than the student visa trash that come to our country, courtesy of the American taxpayer for most of his expense money, then join their anti-American Third World covens for fun and fulmination.

If you want to see where some of the taxpayer's money goes, visit the University of Washington Patent Depository in the Engineering library, and watch the Asians and Third Worlders reading patents and processes, then going to the copy machines. Presto! Their nations basic research is being done by our inventions, copy machines, and stupid, soft, effiminate nonchalance.

7 posted on 04/29/2002 3:36:04 PM PDT by doxteve
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To: RaceBannon
Thanks Race, for posting Izzy's article. I've corresponded with her on a local homeschooling message board and am trying to arrange it to have her come over my way to give a talk and sign her book about homeschooling for some of us folks in the near future!

I was wondering how Dinesh's talk went. I'm glad he wasn't shouted down or anything like that. Except for those pea-brains who went in their with their minds made up, I hope he changed a few minds!

8 posted on 04/29/2002 3:38:56 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: RaceBannon
GREAT report!!!

And it's no surprise that the "other" side didn't (couldn't) refute Dinesh's arguments.

9 posted on 04/29/2002 4:03:03 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: RaceBannon
I'm not sure I agree with his cultural triumvirate, but I agree that our advance was not at everyone else's expense. To refute our success is to deny Darwinian evolution. Our society succeeded because it was stronger. What we have we did not take by force of arms, but by strength of spirit. Eat your hearts out, fly food.
10 posted on 04/29/2002 4:48:05 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: sandyeggo
D'nesh D'zouza writes frequently for David Horowitz's Front Page. Check there for archives and current articles.
11 posted on 04/29/2002 4:50:02 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: RaceBannon
D'nesh D'zouza BUMP.
12 posted on 04/29/2002 7:00:36 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: RaceBannon
I met Dinesh at our campus in 92'. He signed a copy of his book "Illiberal Education" for me which I am very proud of.

I think that the reason the fascist left hate him so much is because they are frustrated that he is not White.

13 posted on 04/29/2002 7:12:34 PM PDT by lormand
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To: RaceBannon
More about the union guys:

...The group was openly boasting the destruction of several signs hung by the University of Massachusetts Republican Club in promotion of their Dinesh D’Souza lecture on April 24th.

GEO Fights RSOs' Free Speech

14 posted on 04/29/2002 10:35:50 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: RaceBannon
Great article by Izzy! Thanks for posting this, Race. A good reminder to buy Dinesh D'Souza's book also.
15 posted on 04/29/2002 11:08:23 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: firebrand; StarFan; Dutchy; stanz; OneidaM; Yehuda; evilC; BlackAgnes; Exit148; Cacique; Nitro...
Izzy and Dinesh BUMP!
16 posted on 04/29/2002 11:12:28 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: RaceBannon
I have to admit, I hadn't heard of Dinesh until I heard of him recently on Hannity. I was very impressed with this guy and will certainly go out of my way now to find his work. I have since read a couple of his previous pieces. He is a calm and eloquent voice who's not afraid to confront the loud-mouthed left-wing extremists. Quite an asset.
17 posted on 04/30/2002 5:26:18 AM PDT by LoneGOPinCT
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To: RaceBannon
When I was at Columbia, we (college republicans) brought him to speak to a packed auditorium. The socialists were out in force. They were protesting outside and planned to keep Dinesh from entering. Having no idea what he looked like, I guess they assumed it would be some tall nazi guy with bodyguards.

Anyway, Dinesh just walked on in right by them as if he were a student, and the poor socialists were stunned when told that the lecture was going on and Dinesh was inside.

Anyway, Dinesh is a nice guy. My wife cooked him dinner before the speech.

18 posted on 04/30/2002 7:11:10 AM PDT by Rodney King
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To: RaceBannon
Dinesh has been doing some great work in India too. Has opened up a few schools...bringing the American ideals to India. Good for him!
19 posted on 04/30/2002 9:38:57 AM PDT by USMMA_83
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To: RaceBannon
the two adjectives she chose to describe Dinesh's young critics were fitting: immature and brainwashed

I can think of a few others, but I'd be banned for using them here.

20 posted on 04/30/2002 12:04:02 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: Rodney King
When I was at Columbia, we (college republicans) brought him to speak to a packed auditorium. The socialists were out in force. They were protesting outside and planned to keep Dinesh from entering. Having no idea what he looked like, I guess they assumed it would be some tall nazi guy with bodyguards. Anyway, Dinesh just walked on in right by them as if he were a student, and the poor socialists were stunned when told that the lecture was going on and Dinesh was inside.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

21 posted on 04/30/2002 12:05:52 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: nutmeg
Have to admit, I did not know who Dinesh was either. Will be on the lookout for his writings and speaking engagements. Thanks for this.
22 posted on 04/30/2002 3:19:02 PM PDT by stanz
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To: RaceBannon
Years ago when I read his articles, I wondered how he'd fare in this country. I am glad he is being heard. Certainly not the typical of immigrants from the third world.
23 posted on 04/30/2002 6:23:03 PM PDT by mikeIII
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To: Rodney King
Speaking of socialists, the Kansas State University Socialist club just put on a speech by David McReynolds, a long time socialist/marxist, Socialist Party National Committeemen, and Presidential nominee in 2000. The turnout was more than I thought, ~200, but I think only 30% were the lefties, with about 40% being students with a assignmnet to fufill and no real intrest, but the last 30% were conservatives, go team!

Mr. McReynolds gave a brief description of socialism and it's goals, but failed to mention how they would reach these goals. Some of the major ones were of course, no major private property such as land, a bank, factory, or a T.V. station, the last was especially important because if THE T.V. station is owned publically, then it will be able to tell the truth, whereas this free market stuff is contolled by the corprate conspiracy???. Makes sense to me, NOT.

After his less than informational speech, he moved on to question/answer. The student asked how we would defend ourselves if we more than half our military budeget (an idea proposed by Mr. McReynolds, his response was that we really are not threatened by other countries because we are seperated from our enemies by vast seas! The student then asked about nuclear weapons, which stymied him for a second. He proposed that through the UN, we would rid the Middle East of nuclear weapons with inspections. I then asked how we would be able to carry out these inspections or inforce any international laws, if we were no longer a military superpower (due to his proposed cutbacks). He had no answer.

The topic shifted twords evil corporations and how they determine everything from forigen policy to what kind of car we purchase (apparently my parents were forced to by a SUV). I asked how exactley did corporations determine our wants and purchases, since I believed that consumer choice and action were the forces that drove the market. His response was that I needed help because I was disillusioned, and went on about a story about the Model A Ford, and how great it was, but Ford started making bigger cars, eventhough people still wanted the Model A, this definatley change my views on free market capitalism. He described how oil companies alone got us into Vietnam, Desert Storm, and the current situation. He was furious that these "dumb" CEO's make millions of dollars while the workers starve.

A student asked about small buisnesses and when they would no longer be considered small, and therefore taxed to oblivion.McReynolds response was that 4-5 employees was fine, but beyond that they would be considered too large and would be taxed to death or become public property. This notion, in his mind, would help the small buisnesses flourish. Sounds to me like that is discouraging and eliminating the sucessfull and productive.

He finished up with by noting that Socialism means a better set of values, personal freedom, greater meaning of work, and a general bliss for all. I was pretty happy with the event in general, because of the conservative turnout and that we dominated the topics and didn't let him slide on all the B.S. that he was slinging. The good ole farmboys helped keep him in check.

A final note that i find very scary, McReynolds mentioned how the core group of socialists at KSU was larger than what he experinced at his alma mater UCLA in the 40's, which was a center for the socialist movement. I have to believe this, because the campus has seen a major shift twords the left. When i started schoool in 95', there were no protest, marches, gender identity, or sexual inequality issues, KSU was a good conservative school withou all of this activism. Now the school is rife with lefty topics and weirdos. I have tried contacting the campus Republican group, but I get no reply. I think the student body is still mostly conservative, but it is changing fast, and the left is organized.

Please Freep my school. We need some conservative organization here.

ksu socialist club

KSU general info or drop me a line grazeyi@ksu.edu

24 posted on 05/01/2002 3:52:29 AM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: Andrewksu
Early morning help my school BUMP!
25 posted on 05/01/2002 4:53:48 AM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: Andrewksu
socialist school bump
26 posted on 05/01/2002 2:21:48 PM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: RaceBannon
Great picture
27 posted on 05/01/2002 3:28:32 PM PDT by Scholastic
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To: Andrewksu
McReynolds mentioned how the core group of socialists at KSU was larger than what he experinced at his alma mater UCLA in the 40's, which was a center for the socialist movement.

So it is 20 whackos at KSU versus the 10 whackos at UCLA in the 40's?

28 posted on 05/01/2002 3:38:46 PM PDT by angkor
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To: austinTparty
Dinesh bump!!!!!
29 posted on 05/01/2002 3:42:53 PM PDT by segis
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To: Andrewksu
I feel for you, I really do. The situation with our schools is much to screwed up to think it will go away any time soon. Indeed, after many Marxists find thier worldviews shattered by reality, they simply retreat to the Universities to live the good life while preaching thier soul-murdering philosophy.

Of course, the only place they can lead the good life is in a University teaching. It is ironic and I would find it amusing if it was not so dangerous a situation.

Ah, Dinesh. One of my favorites. I am surprised that more here have not heard of him. If you read National Review Online, he should be well known to you.

It cracks me up that the commies heckled him about his name. Are they not all about personal liberty? Yeah right! The guy has the right to call himself WHATEVER he wants!

My small rant is finished.

30 posted on 05/01/2002 4:03:08 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Arioch7
My time here is almost up (thank GOD!), as I am graduating in a couple of weeks, but it is a shame to see what they are doing (the left). I amlost think I should stay and be one of the few conservative teachers, to help combat the crap.
31 posted on 05/01/2002 5:36:56 PM PDT by Andrewksu
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