Cardinal's words on gay priests surprise scholars

The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Fri, May. 03, 2002 | JIM REMSEN

[RobbyS]

Someone can correct me, but I think that the AIDS rate is higher among priests than among the typical American male.

[RobbyS]

And then find out the hard way?

[uncbob]

Someone can correct me, but I think that the AIDS rate is higher among priests than among the typical American male.

And if Duesberg is correct and it is the drugs the gays use that cause AIDs then these priests who have AIDS are REALLY active in the gay scene

[HiTech RedNeck]

Bevilacqua's strange theology is contradicted by Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, who said "how will we know who is homosexual and who is not, if they are celibate?"

Also try the Bible. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Maybe believing in a church won't effect such a miracle. But trusting directly in Jesus Christ for one's eternal life, will.

[pgkdan]

No "homosexually oriented" men, not even chaste ones, are "suitable candidates" for the priesthood, he told a news conference, because heterosexual celibates "are giving up" the good of family and children, while gay celibates give up what the church considers "a moral evil."

Bravo!

[maica]

I think that is the distinction that Father Neuhaus made on Sunday:

Thanks for the name. He was such a clear speaker.

[Slyfox]

In 1961, Pope John XXIII issued a decree concerning people entering convents, monasteries and other religious orders. The directive, which remains valid, instructs that "those affected by the perverse inclination to homosexuality or pederasty [man-boy love] should be excluded from religious vows and ordination."

Scholars said the decree, developed by the Sacred Congregation for Religious, does not apply to diocesan seminarians.

Scholars like McBrien? Who say that diocesan seminaries don't need to follow a papal decree? You mean McBrien who has always sided against the Pope in all things moral including abortion? It is precisely people like McBrien who should be blamed for this current scandal.

[chatham]

Look up Richard Sipes Book, "Sex, Priests and Power" where he states of 50 Gay Priests interviewed by a Priest only 4 were celibate and 22% had 500 sexual partners or more.

Get a grip on Reality.

See page 132.

My comments above were written for the detractors of Cardinal Bevilaqua but might be taken as directed to you.

I hope this straightens it out, since you know a great deal more about this info than I ever will.

Sorry, I was typing in the Kitchen and my mind was watching the Local Tv about Cardinal Law renaging on a recent agreement for the victims, which is no excuse.

[chatham]

Not that I saw while reading the book but there may have been in other sections.

If you look up the Peterson Report from 1985, that work talks about the frequency of Heterosexual abuses of children.

[uncbob]

If you look up the Peterson Report from 1985, that work talks about the frequency of Heterosexual abuses of children.

I was talking about the celibacy aspect of heterosexual priests which would mean adult women

[sit-rep]

but his statements about banning even celibate gay priests ...

I will never accept this term, this ideology. What the hell is a celibate gay priest? I know, I know...one who does not act out. But, how the heck can a priest call himself a servant of God and be a fag? What a crock!!

JMHO

[patent]

Cardinal Anthony M. Bevilacqua's sweeping rejection of gay men becoming priests diverges from mainstream thinking by U.S. Catholic theologians and policymakers, a range of church scholars said in interviews this week.

Summary of bolded part: Bevilacqua is not a heretic.

patent

[sit-rep]

Check this one out when you got time. It is a tad long, but worth it IMHO...

http://www.sit-rep.com/forum.asp?file=46870

SR

[fatima]

Glad to see you history,quick everyone move to the best and I mean the best diocese in the whole entire world,I am here and proud of my humility .

[Chemnitz]

Or to put it bluntly, there is a vast difference between hetero men surrounded by hetero men in a seminary dorm and homosexual men surrounded by homosexual men, or even one homosexual among many heterosexual men.

We do not expect a heterosexual man to keep his mind on the priesthood in a dorm full of women. That would be so carnal. So how can the opposite work? Besides, the homosexual mindset is wrong, against natural law, and a sin. It is like saying that someone who dreams of robbing the church treasury can be the church treasurer, as long as he promises not to touch the money. Am I being too blunt?

[Slyfox]

From your post #83. I feel as though I have just been assaulted. They sure do hate Cardinal Ratzinger don't they?

[fatima]

It really would be more unfortunate that Catholics only donate to real Catholic leaders,the losers would have to leave.

[RobbyS]

Did you notice that he flustered McBrien? Look up the First Things site. Neuhaus is the editor, and intellectuallyu he puts hacks like McBrien in the shade and on the defensive. By the way: he's a convert.