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World Trade Centre: Could the attacks have been prevented? (Public Overwhelmingly sides with Bush!)
BBC News ^ | May 17, 200

Posted on 05/18/2002 1:29:16 AM PDT by Timesink

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To: JohnHuang2;ALL
Well, since the question of government prior knowledge of 911 has come out in the respectable (read controlled) media, the Republicrats have found a way to get the fix in, most effectively: All our critics are Democrats. While the Democrats will, no doubt, use this information to their advantage, they will only use that which will help them oust good Republicans, because, the Democrats are up to their necks in this steaming heap, just as much as the Republicans are.

History is rife with examples of leaders who have either allowed, or actually committed, the most horrible atrocities against their own people, to incite a particular reaction, which will lead to a predetermined goal.

After having read this and other similar threads, if I did not know better, I might be led to believe that the President had somehow been elevated to the status of divinity.

There are a lot of names I do not recognize in these threads, so for those who do not know of the perspective from which I speak, I am a Constitutionalist, first and foremost. I see little difference between the policies of the Republicans and the Democrats. That is why I have opted to call them, collectively Republicrats. The only real difference is that Democrats hate guns more than the Republicans, and that under Republican administrations, globalism (ex.: GATT, NAFTA, WTO), advances faster than it does under Democrat administrations.

Blind patriotism has, I believe, clouded the vision of people who would otherwise, look at this situation critically. They would have cried foul over HR 3162, the US Anti-Patriot Act (my title), which became law virtually without any elected representative voting against it (except for Ron Paul), or even reading it. They would have screamed bloody murder when the Vice President threatens Congress with the surity of another, much worse, terrorist attack, if they investigate the government over the 911 attacks. Thousands would have protested the establishment of the American version of the Schutzstaffel, called Homeland Security and the establishment of FEMA's network of citizen spies. Who has protested the incremental, state-by-state, establishment of the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act? All of these things gut the Constitution, yet there is no outcry from the Republican camp. The Administration's education bills are unlawful. The land grabs continue and national sovereiginty is threatened by disappearing borders and the emergence by 2003, (according to a recent report in the Atlanta Journal and Constitution), of the pink and red Pan-American Dollar. Congress gave the President unlawful authority to negoiate international trade deals -- essentially, the same authority they refused to give Clinton (but because the President is a Republican, it's okay if he usurps power not granted his office by the Constitution). The BATF has had it's funding and facilities expanded (to better intimidate the People and confiscate their means of self-defense), foreign troops train on American soil to participate in gun confiscation and NATO patrols the skies above.

I could go on, but it wouldn't matter, because, people believe the government now. Belief is difficult to contend with because it recognizes not facts and evidence, but feelings. It is emotional. They trust the government, even those in black uniforms and ski masks, because now, instead of representing tyranny, they now represent protection and safety in the minds of the people. I won't bother asking what is more important; security or freedom; protection or liberty.

There is a lot of smoke surrounding the events of 911, and it didn't all come from collapsing buildings. In my experience, where there is smoke, there is fire; somewhere. So called conservatives have gone back to sleep and the government is taking advantage of the situation, with the only resistance being successfully being relegated to Democrat partisanship.

I have been afraid for our Republic for many years. Most of the time, I knew the enemy, because they made their stance clear. They wanted my land and my guns. They wanted to recrute my children into their homosexual organizations and lifestyles. They wanted to destroy my faith in God, calling the doctrine hate speech. But now, the enemy has become more difficult to recognize. Instead of bell-bottoms and love beads, now, he wears a suit and tie and applies the suffix "R" after his name. He accuses me of blasphemy for questioning the motives of his Leader, who guts the Constitution with every stroke of the pen. He says he wants to protect me and keep me safe from some ambigious terrorist threat, and he says he's going to be doing this in perpeturity.

I have, in this post, expressed some of my concerns and fears over this situation, and this administration in general, in this post. I know that I cannot change the minds of the readers, but I can ask that those who read this, consider that it is in our vary nature to do the wrong thing. To act selfishly and with less than honorable motives, especially if there is a perception of acheiving financial gain thereby. Remember that our Republic is not about political parties. It is about the Constitution, and we all have a responsibility to question everyone who seeks to infringe upon that solid foundation, even during an emergency. I am sure that each and every tyrant throughout history, has had it's share of devoted followers, who believed that those leaders could do no wrong. Yet history has demonstrated otherwise.

Consequently, I do not believe everything that the government says, even when they go to extremes to sound sincere. The Doctrine of Emergency opens the door for so much abuse, I believe that, to let our guard down now, under these circumstances, will result in the end of our Republic and the establishment of a tyrannical dictatorship, which will be in actuality nothing more than a vassel state, under some globalist oligarchy.

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.
And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.
How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."

-- Julius Caesar

41 posted on 05/18/2002 10:15:04 AM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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To: JohnHuang2; timesink; Lazamataz
Thanks for this article and the ping. Laz has the World Class way to answer this Bravo Sierra from those who got us into this mess, the lying left wingers in Congress.

Go to this link for Laz's World Class Response to this Bravo Sierra: (link)

Laz's World Class Response:

The Ultimate Response to the "Bush Knew" Smear (RNC please take note)

Source: Me | 05/17/2001 | By Laz

Posted on 5/17/02 6:36 AM Pacific by Lazamataz

Okay people, I don't usually write one-line vanities, but I have what I consider the Ultimate Rebuttal to the smear that Bush knew about September 11 in advance.

Osama bin Ladin bragged that not even all the hijackers knew where they were really headed.

If the actual perpetrators didn't know what was going to happen,

HOW WAS GEORGE W. BUSH SUPPOSED TO KNOW?

There you are, kids. In two sentences, this horrible smear by the DNC is destroyed. Take it it, run with it, hit the airwaves, write letters to the editor, go on the radio, get this message out.

Grampa Dave to Laz: Well, done son!

42 posted on 05/18/2002 10:39:30 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Snow Bunny; JohnHuang2
Good post #5, Bunny. I agree with you.
43 posted on 05/18/2002 11:40:50 AM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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afternoon bump
44 posted on 05/18/2002 12:53:24 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: JohnHuang2;Luis Gonzalez
Thanks, Pancho...........FRegards, Diago
45 posted on 05/18/2002 1:19:20 PM PDT by gonzo
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To: JohnHuang2
Big Bump !!
46 posted on 05/18/2002 2:02:20 PM PDT by blackie
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To: over3Owithabrain;ChasingFletch
Thanks, guys, for coming on this thread. Too many threads about this issue lacked the required defeatists posting to remind us that we're doomed. It was beginning to seem like I wasn't on FR anymore.
47 posted on 05/18/2002 4:01:09 PM PDT by stands2reason
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evening bump
48 posted on 05/18/2002 4:07:43 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: TracyPA
Your post has me so depressed

Then Fletch has succeeded. Don't let him sap your morale; there are too many defeatists and DU moles here attempting to destroy the Republican Party. Stay strong!

49 posted on 05/18/2002 4:10:41 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: over3Owithabrain
You are right, they will stop at nothing.
50 posted on 05/18/2002 4:22:04 PM PDT by sibb1213
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To: Washington_minuteman
Great quote from old Julius! Remember the Gulf of Tonkin and Pearl Harbor. Strange things occur, I'm hoping G.W. was "innocent" in this one.
51 posted on 05/19/2002 12:55:39 AM PDT by ChasingFletch
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To: stands2reason
"Thanks, guys, for coming on this thread. Too many threads about this issue lacked the required defeatists posting to remind us that we're doomed."...

"Defeatist posting"..........Your sardonic post is most interesting. It has often caused me to chuckle when I see ones such as it here from time to time. When someone at FR reports correctly that there is a danger in the numbers of clueless fools who will believe the worst about Republicans and subsequently vote against them, the reporters are sarcastically called, by folks like you, doomsayers. Weak,s2r!

The truth about the people who confront you should be acknowledged, not ignored. If you don't like to read the truth, so be it. But in the meantime, you can keep your sophomoric sarcasm to yourself. How was the race?

52 posted on 05/19/2002 1:06:36 AM PDT by ChasingFletch
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To: ChasingFletch
Here are a few links to articles discussing the increasing numbers and influence of conservatives on campus:

Conservatives at Yale
Leftist whining at Penn State
More whining at Berkeley -- too many conservatives on campus.
A Harvard leftist muses sophomorically about how to counter the increasingly effective conservatives there.

Here's the Young Americans for Freedom site.

Are most college campuses owned and operated by leftist totalitarians? Sure. But there's a growing resistance movement almost anywhere you care to look.

This kid isn't swallowing the 'diversity' scam... and this one reacted to the thought police by signing up with our side...

When I say that the influence of the campus leftists is waning, I don't mean that their power base is threatened -- yet.

But fewer students are buying what they're selling.

CPAC this year was flooded with unprecedented numbers of college-age conservatives. They lined up for 50 yards to get books autographed by people like Ollie North, Dr. Laura and Charlton Heston.

Are these kids smeared and marginalized back at their schools? Yep. Will there be more at CPAC next year? Yep again.

And this is just the sort of thing we should help along, instead of moaning about the awfulness of it all.

53 posted on 05/19/2002 7:17:50 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: over3Owithabrain
I agree with you. I never underestimate the Democrats, and neither should anyone else. This is only the beginning, and I still feel this is being coordinated by none other than ole crusty herself.
54 posted on 05/19/2002 7:26:29 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Interesting Times
"When I say that the influence of the campus leftists is waning, I don't mean that their power base is threatened -- yet."......Let me know when their "power base" is threatened! As long as the overall cirriculum is lefty-socialist, the overwhelming percentage of students coming out of the schools are dense fools, nearly completely adverse to capitalism and ensconsed in values-neutral bull.

"But fewer students are buying what they're selling."..Sure!!! Anecdotes don't do it. Prove it.

"And this is just the sort of thing we should help along, instead of moaning about the awfulness of it all. ...."Moaning"....speaking of corteous! Hey Pollyanna, you must have had an authority figure in your life who was constantly correcting you. You can't handle the truth very easily. You serve our purpose poorly.

Thanks for your anecdotal "evidence", but I could give you dozens for every one of yours that illuminate the desperate socialist lean on highschool and college campuses. Keep your head in the sand, as others will try to sound an alarm, but I guess in your frame of mind, you will refer to it as moaning. The only thing that matters is the numbers of conservatives and liberals that exit schools after 16 years of indoctrination. The exit numbers are overwhelmingly liberal, and the voting base gets worse every year. It is only when these indoctrinated children get out in the world, that they find their liberal Gods have given them a pile of dung that serves them and their families poorly and steals their hard-earned money! Wake up.

55 posted on 05/20/2002 1:56:27 AM PDT by ChasingFletch
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To: ChasingFletch
Since you obviously have no use for either evidence or courtesy, I will desist from posting further to your threads.
56 posted on 05/20/2002 6:30:40 AM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
Maybe you could invest in some Skin So Soft for that apparently thin skin of yours. If it is discourteous to point out the overwhelming numbers of lefty socialists and values-neutral morons who are crawling from our campuses each year, then so be it. By the way, these ARE interesting times and that is a great handle. But I must say, these times are really AMORAL, VILE, SELF INDULGENT TIMES. Our founders would be ashamed at the general character of the people. If saying this is to you discourteous, then again, lube up that thin skin!

The campuses are still actively teaching that America is an arrogant cancer on the planet rather than seeing America as a beacon of freedom and democratic values. If you don't believe that, then put that head back in the sand.

57 posted on 05/21/2002 3:24:39 AM PDT by ChasingFletch
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To: Interesting Times
By the way. I see you have an interest in vote fraud...."What can we do in the closing days of the campaign to detect and prevent election fraud?".....

I guess you had little success in changing the direction of this little liberal, democrat trendy activity that comes around evry two years! Like those 103% turnouts in black precincts in Philadelphia, Detroit, and other big cities. That was really a Lombardian Effort! Those Democrats are really giving more than 100%!

So things are getting better. You keep sleeping, and I'll keep "moaning", as you so courteously advise.

58 posted on 05/22/2002 3:49:30 AM PDT by ChasingFletch
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