U.S. Intercepting Messages Hinting at a New Attack

The New York Times ^ | 5/18/02 (for editions of 5/19/02) | James Risen and David Johnston

[devildogO341]

Screw Civil Liberties, The Government needs to be going house to house for suspected terrorists, sure people will moan, but the moment something is found, thing's will be alright, just taking necessary counter meaures.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

I hope it is occurring to people, as it recently did to me, that the 2nd Amendment is the failsafe the founding fathers built into the constitution for just such a contingency. Those guys were damned smart.

Damned smart, indeed. Not bad for a bunch of "old white guys", huh?

PS NO racial slur intended. Just couldn't resist the temptation to slam what I have heard from the liberal PC socialist educational system these days. Fact is, what's right is right, no matter the source. In this case, the source was our European founders. Praise God for their wisdom!

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Chris, forgive my editing:

What the Jihadist barbarians don't realize (well, perhaps the real smart ones do) is that the United States is so well armed at the civilian level that this country can become, on very short notice, as armed as the Northwest Frontier in Pakistan.

Actually, much more so. Th battle here would become the meat grinder that we were (constantly, by the lib press) told Afghanistan would be. In reality, these pukes would be sh*tting their pants on the run.

[kitchen]

Intelligence gathered on Americans by foreigners can be freely shared with any American national or local law enforcement, a point which may now be moot with implementation of the misnomered Patriot Act.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

PS: Did you know that one of the greatest concerns that the Japanese (WWII) and Russian (Cold War) Generals had concerning an invasion of the USA had to do with the fact that the population was so well armed?

The Founders were pretty clever, non?

[concerned about politics]

Is it possible that President Clinton is a mole?

And his little dog Hillary, too.
There's no doubt in my mind.
I think he'd love to see America fall, and claim himself world king.

[kitchen]

LOL I've been on DEFCON 3+ for most of my life.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

How so, Mad Tom?

Sorry, gotta run errands now! -- hearing in the distance: "Honey, LET'S GO!")

Please refer to the following posts: 183, 185 for insight.

PS: I don't disagree that a dirty nuke or other WMD deployment would be very ugly. Just saying that the response of an armed populace would be uglier.

[b4its2late]

PROFILE IS NOT A 4 LETTER WORD........

[FreeReign]

When the government goes on a profiling spree, looking for "terrorists", they will be looking for more than Islamics. Section 802 of the Us Anti-Patriot act makes that abundently clear.

Right you are Wash_man.

From section 802

...(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
`(B) appear to be intended--
`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

If somebody meets those qualification then they are a terrorist.

[FreeReign]

U.S. Intercepting Messages Hinting at a New Attack

The NY Times, unamed sources -- is anybody else here trouble by that?

[Washington_minuteman]

That's right. Either 802(5)(A) or 802(5)(B), or both, makes one a terrorist. Speeding, jaywalking, dropping a banana peel, peeing on a bush all qualify as violations of 802(5)(A).

What's incredible is that nobody read the thing, yet all but Ron Paul voted for it.

But, I feel safer now. Don't you?

[KirkandBurke]

Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither. - Benjamin Franklin

Necessity is the plea for every infringment of human liberty. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves. - William Penn

"...this uniformly accepted rule rests upon the fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)]

Right~~Law and Order. Give me a break. Law and Order is for the benefit of govenment's power, not our protection.

[Principled]

I never said I want the government to profile.

I want airline pilots to profile. I want my local grocer to profile. I want my neighbors to profile...etc.

What about this makes you think I want government to profile?

You think you know it all, don't you? Admit it... you think you know better than I what I mean. Even though I typed nothing about the government... even though your myopic view actually invented/created the non-existent "government" in my post, and even though your ignorance to reading my post a second time to see that I did not mention government... youstill assert something demonstrably false?! LOL!!!

Read my posts again! I vehemently reject government provided "security".

Why do you insist otherwise? I'm very curious about that. Why would you assert something so obviously false?

You have shown to be quite foolish. Perhaps you've had a busy day and haven't taken the time to read my posts? Please, go back and read them. They say nothing about government provided "security". It was you who brought that up.

You're what's wrong with FR. You're always "right"...even in a case such as this where you've invented a make believe world for yourself in which you invenst things for people to say that make you right.

I never said I wanted government involved. Got it? You invented that!

Now run along and take your meds.

[FreeReign]

That's right. Either 802(5)(A) or 802(5)(B), or both, makes one a terrorist.

Why do you think it is A OR B instead of A AND B?

[allrightythen]

I may have to take the bullet, but I'll never love Big Brother.

Most of the war-whooping morons that are in the majority on this board appear to believe Big Brother is Das-hole and the Demo-Craps. The Repbublicans on the other hand are unswervingly virtuous, and patriotic. They would never lie to us, or take our freedoms. No sir, that was Hillary and Carville. The Republic is safe now under the watchful eye of Attorney General Ashcroft and der Office of Homeland Security.

Rest well citizen Winston.