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PFLP leader's son killed in Beirut car explosion
The Jerusalem Post ^ | 5/20/2002 | ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 05/20/2002 4:24:17 AM PDT by eclectic

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To: BlueLancer
"I want the annihilation to be so complete that their mythology will tell them of the day of judgment when the stern gods from across the sea .. the powerful 'Mericans .. destroyed their forefathers' wickedness."

Yeah. Me, too.

But it seems the "powerful 'Mericans" are not feeling very powerful, much less wrathful, or even faintly annoyed.

So when does the annihilation start? he asked with a yawn

61 posted on 05/20/2002 7:15:43 AM PDT by boris
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To: BlueLancer
"Fight to the finish or don't fight at all"

Absolutely, especially when YOUR side is the one attacked first.

Sand Creek is just a bad analogy. Hiroshima, the ultimate endgame of the attack on Pearl Harbor, might be a better one.

62 posted on 05/20/2002 7:16:16 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: sweetliberty
c. believe that this was a retaliation attack by the Israelis?

Timing (proximity to homicide bombing in Israel for which PFLP claimed responsibility) and target (PFLP commander) are too coincindental.

I think this is Mossad's way of saying: "we know where you are, and you'll pay for anything you do to us."

63 posted on 05/20/2002 7:17:55 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: sweetliberty
"a. assume that the guy did it to himself and just got his timing off?"

No, he picked up some cut-rate surplus bombs from Friends of the Earth and/or Earth Liberation Front...

--Boris

64 posted on 05/20/2002 7:17:58 AM PDT by boris
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To: tupac
"...a phenomenon called group-think."

Group think...I think I've seen evidence of that at numerous riots.

65 posted on 05/20/2002 7:18:11 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: boris
Soon ... I hope.

I figure there are enough Americans (including some here at FreeRepublic) who won't reach their boiling point until the US gets hit another time; they are willing to wait and not do the things that need to be done until we've been attacked with low-yield nukes or dirty conventional bombs, or chemical or bio weapons. Then they will wring their hands and whine "Oh, why didn't we do something before?", to which there will be no answer except "I told you so".

66 posted on 05/20/2002 7:18:31 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: eclectic
PFLP leader's son killed in Beirut car explosion

ROFL!!!

67 posted on 05/20/2002 7:21:34 AM PDT by putupon
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To: cake_crumb
"Sand Creek is just a bad analogy. Hiroshima, the ultimate endgame of the attack on Pearl Harbor, might be a better one."

I respectfully disagree. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were fine, except not carried to the finality which the situation deserved. The targets should have included Tokyo and the next dozen or so largest cities remaining in Japan. The popular goal of the Americans immediately after Pearl Harbor was the eradication of the Japanese; it should have remained so.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki indicate a mind-set of punishment for retribution. Sand Creek is a mind-set of complete and total destruction. That is what I favor.

68 posted on 05/20/2002 7:22:03 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: Dog Gone
If the only way to take this guy out was in this manner, and doing so was vital, I would not be concerned about the collateral damage.

This was a PFLP commander, and his untimely death occurred just a day after a PFLP bombing in Netanya.

If you're trying to send a message, you want to:

a) kill somebody important, to give the other important guys pause the next time they think about trying it.

b) make it very public, so that there can be no mistake that he was taken out.

c) use a bomb. For one thing, direct assassination means that your people might be caught and/or killed. But more importantly, the ability to place a bomb in a commander's car is guaranteed to make them shaky about their security, and thus puts them off their game.

This is an ugly game, but it's very important to be able to play it well.

69 posted on 05/20/2002 7:25:39 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: eclectic
The son of radical Palestinian guerrilla leader Ahmed Jibril was killed Monday in a Beirut car bombing, Lebanese Hezbollah guerrilla television reported.

That car bomb trick gets 'em every time....

70 posted on 05/20/2002 7:27:26 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Dog Gone
Would you support Israel blowing up a car on a crowded New York City street if this man was the target?

Maybe in Newark. That way, nobody would notice.

71 posted on 05/20/2002 7:32:05 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Dog Gone
"If Israel was behind this, they should be condemned."

Why? As far as I'm concerned they would be totally justified taking out as many of these monsters as possible.

72 posted on 05/20/2002 7:35:26 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: tupac
I guess that the capital punishment debate still goes on, but another lesson from the movie (and the book too, I suppose) was about a phenomenon called group-think.

Yeah "Group-think" - just like the Palestinians who believe by blowing themselves up they go to paradise.

73 posted on 05/20/2002 7:36:19 AM PDT by Tuco-bad
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To: Zorobabel
I can only hope that it was our Peugeot that was stolen off the street in New York some years ago!!!

At the time the police told us that by the time we discovered our auto missing it was probably on a ship outward bound!

74 posted on 05/20/2002 7:42:24 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: eclectic
The son of radical Palestinian guerrilla leader Ahmed Jibril was killed Monday in a Beirut car bombing, Lebanese Hezbollah guerrilla television reported.

This thread would be a lot more fun if the 'b' and 'r' were transposed.

75 posted on 05/20/2002 7:43:26 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: BlueLancer
...until we've been attacked with low-yield nukes or dirty conventional bombs, or chemical or bio weapons. Then they will wring their hands and whine "Oh, why didn't we do something before?", to which there will be no answer except "I told you so".

That is what makes me very, very, uneasy about post 9/11 America. 8 months later, and the people are "back to normal". We went through all that hand wringing and whining before. I have my doubts about whether anything can mobilize people's thoughts and will enough to get the job done in any meaningful way.

As it is, we are heading for yet another concession to the world in the form of a permanent national anxiety about when and where the (probably nuclear, in some fashion) "next attack" will come. I say that that is unacceptable. I'm supposed to raise my children in a culture of fear and dread? No way.

76 posted on 05/20/2002 7:46:34 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I am not so sure it wasn't Arafatty's boys.

Bush did say we would turn the terrorists against one another.

77 posted on 05/20/2002 7:47:45 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: jbstrick
Could be some faction in the Lebanese Christian community as well. You will remember that it was the PLO which brought their country to ruin and they have numerous paybacks which haven't been cashed in yet.
78 posted on 05/20/2002 7:50:23 AM PDT by Lent
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To: eclectic

The car

The deceased's father.

79 posted on 05/20/2002 7:53:15 AM PDT by csvset
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To: connectthedots;justshutupandtakeit
The first thing I started wondering was whether Jabril screwed something up and was made an "example" of, or if one of his co-terrorists wasn't ticked about being passed over for promotion...and so decided to create an opening the old fashioned way.
80 posted on 05/20/2002 8:12:12 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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