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Oregon Firefighters set own blazes in bid to corral wildfires
Oregon Live ^ | 08/01/02 | ALEX PULASKI and BETH QUINN

Posted on 08/01/2002 6:19:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Firefighters set own blazes in bid to corral wildfires

08/01/02

ALEX PULASKI and BETH QUINN

SELMA -- A column of thick smoke reared its head near this Southwest Oregon town at sundown Wednesday, proof that firefighters had begun an important counterattack.

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Bulldozer operators and hand crews had spent two days stitching together a 30-mile line in the dirt, but until Wednesday night, fickle winds had prevented them from setting their own fires to protect Oregon's Illinois Valley.

"The wind has just been too squirrelly," spokesman Tom Valluzzi said.

As incident commander Mike Lohrey explained to residents Tuesday night, the strategy against the approximately 183,000-acre Florence and Sour Biscuit fires is to use controlled burns to seal off the U.S. 199 corridor from the flames.

As winds and temperatures subsided Wednesday night, hillsides west of Selma began to glow with the newly set defensive fires designed to halt the main fire's advance by robbing it of fuel.

Shifting winds had kept daytime crews from setting fires that might turn on them and overrun Selma, which is about 20 miles southwest of Grants Pass, or nearby communities.

The 17,000 residents of the Illinois Valley are under a 30-minute evacuation alert, which means they have been asked to be ready to leave as soon as they are notified, although emergency workers intend to start the evacuation 12 to 24 hours ahead of the fire.

Hoaxers pretending to be civilians deputized by the Josephine County sheriff's department have been knocking on doors telling residents to leave immediately.

Officials said that the evacuation will be broadcast on local radio stations and that officials charged with notifying individual residents will be police officers or firefighters in uniform, driving emergency vehicles.

By today, the Illinois Valley will be sprouting new yellow signs spelling out in black: Escape Route. Oregon Department of Transportation officials plan to make U.S. 199 one way with two lanes heading north, and Oregon State Police and National Guard troops will be stationed at key intersections to allow traffic to enter from side roads. No one will be allowed to return.

The buffer against populated areas on the fire's east is the focus, but fire behavior analyst Erik Christiansen cautioned Wednesday that "the west side and the south side, we just don't have a handle on.

The new elite fire management team slated to take over the west side of the Florence fire near the Rogue River by Sunday could have its hands full.

"There could be some problems in Agness," said Lohrey, who noted that the blaze is burning within five miles of Bear Camp Road. "We've got quite a cushion over there, and we are assessing that today."

Fire officials have already closed the popular backcountry route between Grants Pass and Gold Beach to motor homes and trailers.

"They will close it to all traffic if that threat continues," Lohrey said.

From the air, the most visible fire activity for the past couple of days has been plumes rising about seven miles west of Selma. The fire was not as active Wednesday as it was during the weekend. But a curtain of smoke hangs from there south 25 miles to the California border and beyond, obscuring much of the 180,000-acre Kalmiopsis Wilderness.

"The wilderness is burning," Christiansen said. "We can't fight fire in there. It's too rugged."

Should the Florence fire reach Agness, Biscuit complex blazes will have torched portions of four of the nation's wild and scenic river areas. The Florence fire has already burned sections along the Chetco and Illinois rivers in the Kalmiopsis Wilderness, including both sides of the river at the Illinois' famed white-water rapid, Submarine Hole.

The Sour Biscuit and Florence fires were still thought to be separated by two to three miles Wednesday.

"Every day they say they're going to run together, but there's an old burn there that keeps slowing it down," said John Fowler, planning section chief on the Sour Biscuit fire.

The Sour Biscuit fire has blackened areas along the Smith River in California's Six Rivers National Forest.

Sour Biscuit incident commander Paul Broyles said his crews will be ready to burn out a safety line along their end of the 30-mile "last ditch" bulldozer line when similar work is completed on the Florence fire to the north.

"We'll have one, hopefully, seamless east side," he said.

Fire experts warned that successful backfires alone won't protect threatened homes and communities because conditions still exist for a return of plume-dominated fire that could shoot spot blazes two to three miles ahead.

"Just the fact that we get the line in and black doesn't mean the Illinois Valley is safe," said Greg Gilpin of the Oregon Department of Forestry.

If either fire makes a run toward town, the air attack would include retardant bombers, and helicopters currently dropping water would switch to retardant drops.

"Air tanker support is available to us if we needed to get that in here," he said. "And we have the ability to get retardant into the ships we have."

Structural fire crews continued preparing against the possibility of the fire jumping lines by assessing and mapping homes and clearing away brush and trees from residences.

Ron Brood, 66, watched Wednesday as crews chain-sawed through junipers, muggo pines and ponderosa behind his home southwest of Selma.

"I thought if it was green it wouldn't be a problem," Brood said of trees and brush in his yard.

Nearby, on the eastern edge of Eight Dollar Mountain, bulldozer operator Chad Oilar pushed through foxtail and brush to cut a secondary defense line in case the primary line west of the mountain fails.

There's a special concern in Selma, which stands in the shadow of Eight Dollar Mountain, that the fire could enter the valley there.

"If it's going to come out, I'm predicting it's going to come out there to the valley floor," said Tony Sciacca of the operations team managing the Florence fire.

As of Wednesday morning, the fire was creeping down slopes one to two feet per minute, with 1- to 2-foot flames, but running up slopes at 70 to 80 feet per minute with 8-foot flames, said Christiansen, the fire behavior analyst. The fire was still six miles from the valley communities, but fire managers were wary because earlier this week the fire was moving one mile an hour, covering eight miles on Sunday alone.


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To: Carry_Okie
Thanks and I'm reposting your reply about what has happened in the past when Congress has budgeted money to clear out forests that have been burnt out:

After the fires of the year 2000, when 7 million acres burned, Babbit arranged for $2 Billion to be released for thinning projects.

Guess where the money went?

Lawyers. The RICOnuts sued nearly every project the USFS attempted. When the USFS settles they pay the RICOnuts for their costs. Now lest you think that the Forest Service bureaucracy wants it any other way, remember that 40% of the USFS budget is for legal expenses. More is spent satisfying consent decrees or documenting cases. ============================================================

So, you want Congress to appropriate the money for forest thinning. Why should we fund the enemy? Do you really think that a Federal Judge won't toss Dasshole's exemption? I'd bet he expects it.

41 posted on 08/01/2002 9:08:05 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly
BTTT!!!!!
42 posted on 08/01/2002 9:17:24 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Grampa Dave
Just heard on the radio about a fire down your way in Marin County. Destroyed a crop of Cabernet vines. 60 acres.

The times-standard has a follow up this morning out of DelNorte county but not much new except for a map.
43 posted on 08/01/2002 9:38:37 AM PDT by tubebender
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To: Carry_Okie
Carry,

1. Daschles amendment is law-suit proof. (nice touch, no?)

2. The envirogroups in SD made a deal with Daschle to NOT object to this amendment. In other words, they gave Daschle the green light to clean up the forests in SD...as long as he backed them on other enviro issues.

It just gets better and better.
44 posted on 08/01/2002 10:08:42 AM PDT by justshe
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To: tubebender
Cabernet vines in Marvelous Marin? I'm surprised that the Johnny Jihad Enviralists would allow a vineyard to be planted in Marin county.
45 posted on 08/01/2002 10:13:59 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: justshe
she posted"

1. Daschles amendment is law-suit proof. (nice touch, no?)

2. The envirogroups in SD made a deal with Daschle to NOT object to this amendment. In other words, they gave Daschle the green light to clean up the forests in SD...as long as he backed them on other enviro issues.

It just gets better and better.



This is why we may have to kill all of the damn lawyers to even stand a chance with these greenies.
46 posted on 08/01/2002 10:15:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
(time should probably be 08:00 AM August 1)

Fire Information Update
Florence Fire
Thursday, August 1, 2002 08:00 pm
Fire Information Center: (541) 592-1029


Status: 150,000 acres Start: July 13, 2002 Cause: Lightning storm
Location: 5 miles west of Selma, Oregon on the Siskiyou National Forest within the Kalmiopsis Wilderness.
Percent Contained: 5 percent Cost to date: $6 million Line to Build: 61 miles
Structures Lost: 3 residences and 8 outbuildings
Personnel: 1,500 total personnel Injuries: None Expected Containment: Unknown
Today’s Resources: 15 helicopters (5 Type-1, 6-Type-2 and 4-Type 3), 31-handcrews (9-Type 1 and 30-Type 2), 84 engines, 12 water tenders, 27 dozers. In addition 7 structural task forces (110 people) from all over the state are providing fire protection to residences within the fire area and along Highway 199.
At Risk: Portions of Cave Junction, Kerby, Agness, Gardner Ranch and Selma, private residences in the Oak Flat area and McCaleb Ranch, private inholdings east of McCaleb Ranch, Late Successional Reserve, Illinois and Rogue National Wild and Scenic River, campgrounds.
Closures: Galice and Illinois Valley Ranger Districts on the Siskiyou National Forest west of State Highway 199 is closed to all public access due to extreme fire conditions. The Bear Camp road #2300 is exempt from this closure.
Cooperating Agencies: Oregon Department of Forestry; Oregon National Guard; Illinois Valley Fire District; Oregon State Police; Josephine County Sheriff’s Dept; American Red Cross; Oregon State Fire Marshal’s Office; U.S. Forest Service; Bureau of Land Management; Josephine County Emergency Operations Center.

What’s New: Burnout operations between Hwy 199 and the fire began last night and will continue today. Winds from the north should keep smoke out of the valley until a wind shift mid-afternoon when fire activity is expected to increase. There is a possibility for plume development later in the day. The Red Flag Warning for today has been cancelled.

Firefighters today are continuing to construct and reinforce fire line on the east flank of the fire, west of Illinois Valley communities. The fire has moved to within four miles of Game Lake on the west flank, to Silver Peak on the north flank, to within five miles of Selma and Cave Junction on the east flank and to Chetco Peak on the south flank. Dozer and hand lines have been established along the eastern flank from the Chrome Ridge Road, north of Selma, to the California border.

There will be a public meeting tonight at 7pm at the Illinois Valley High School Baseball Field in Cave Junction.

The entire Illinois River Valley is now under a 30-minute evacuation notice. Structural and wildland fire resources have been positioned to protect residences in the valley. The communities of Agness, Gold Beach, and Brookings are not currently at imminent risk.

The Joki Type 2 Team is stationed at Gold Beach on the West Florence Fire. The Bennett Type 1 Team has joined the Broyles Type 2 Team on the Sour Biscuit.

A Red Cross shelter has been opened in Grants Pass at the South Middle School (541-890-0612).

Pacific Northwest National Incident Management Team 2
Mike Lohrey, Incident Commander

47 posted on 08/01/2002 10:18:12 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: justshe
1. Daschles amendment is law-suit proof. (nice touch, no?)

Are you really so sure about that?

Remember, environmental law is authorized by treaties which supercede Federal Statutes. All this is, is a way for Dasshole to look good to his constituents for the election while accomplishing exactly NOTHING that would PO his real clientele.

48 posted on 08/01/2002 10:19:14 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: madfly
Thanks for the heads up!
49 posted on 08/01/2002 10:41:06 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Grampa Dave
Is your trip north still planned. If so you might want to go to yesterday's thread to bookmark some good new sources re what is happening up there.

Yes, we're heading up a week from tomorrow, have overnight reservations in Grants Pass. We're already getting our taste buds worked up for the excellent prime rib at The Brewery. I have bookmarked some of the sites, and also have KTVL out of Medford bookmarked as well.

We're definitely monitoring the situation very closely, but as you say, some of the lamestream media reports are so deceptive, it's hard to count on them. Thank goodness for you and this thread. It's the first place I go when I log onto FR.

50 posted on 08/01/2002 11:00:08 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: Granof8
Thanks for the feed back, and hopefully the back fires will work.
51 posted on 08/01/2002 11:02:27 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Inspectorette
Well hopefully most of this will be over when you head up next week.

Off course by then, Kali will be in prime fire season on your trip up and trip back.

You might consisder getting one of the new clear channel radios to be able to listen the news.

I believe that in Medford, 1440 am has fairly good news. You need to check with Aunt B..
52 posted on 08/01/2002 11:05:22 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Nothing new to report SIR!

EBUCK

53 posted on 08/01/2002 11:07:39 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK; cake_crumb
This was what we had discussed yesterday re what was happening and could happen with 199. Cake Crumb called it correctly:

This is from the article I posted to start this thread:

Officials said that the evacuation will be broadcast on local radio stations and that officials charged with notifying individual residents will be police officers or firefighters in uniform, driving emergency vehicles.

By today, the Illinois Valley will be sprouting new yellow signs spelling out in black: Escape Route. Oregon Department of Transportation officials plan to make U.S. 199 one way with two lanes heading north, and Oregon State Police and National Guard troops will be stationed at key intersections to allow traffic to enter from side roads. No one will be allowed to return.

54 posted on 08/01/2002 11:09:06 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for updates, GD. I lived in Mendocino, loved to drive up to my friend's place in Wilderville, west of Grant's Pass, stopping at Patrick Creek Lodge on CA side of 199 for lunch or overnight. Read yesterday that the lodge was evacuated, right in path of Biscouit fire.. Have you heard any news today about it? Somehow that particular little corner of the world always seemed special to me. So pristine, so beautiful. Many retirees in Gasquet-Patrick Creek area, fishermen, hunters, lovers of wilderness, and not an enviro whacko among them. My heart aches for them.
55 posted on 08/01/2002 11:12:22 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: All
Finally some good NOAA Sat FireImage shots:


56 posted on 08/01/2002 11:13:40 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Let's hope it doens't come to that. It sounds like our professionals have a good plan with a few backups in line "just in case".

EBUCK

57 posted on 08/01/2002 11:13:51 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK; cake_crumb; AuntB; wanderin; Granof8; forester; marsh2; Carry_Okie; madfly; brityank; ...
This is an absolutely incredible NOAA picture taken last night about 7 pm.

This really shows how big and intense some of these fires are!


58 posted on 08/01/2002 11:23:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: PoisedWoman; AuntB; tubebender
You asked about Patrick Creek Lodge on 199.

There have been mixed reports to that it was burnt up a couple of nights ago to it has been saved.

The Kali Floristry Division's update pages are days behind.

Maybe Aunt B or Tubebender can clue us in to the status of Patrick Creek Lodge.

Thanks for clearing up a mystery. I thought that you lived in the Bay area, and I couldn't understand how you made it to Patrick Creek Lodge in time for lunch. From Mendocino, it can be done.
59 posted on 08/01/2002 11:28:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Here's a blow-up of your picture...

EBUCK

60 posted on 08/01/2002 11:30:32 AM PDT by EBUCK
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