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Germany Withholds 9/11 Evidence over Death Penalty
Reuters | 9/01/02

Posted on 09/01/2002 2:46:53 PM PDT by kattracks

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will not transfer evidence against September 11 suspect Zacarias Moussaoui unless the United States gave assurances the information would not be used to impose the death penalty, a German minister said on Sunday.

U.S. officials believe Moussaoui, who was detained on immigration charges before September 11, was meant to be the 20th hijacker in the attacks in New York and Washington.

German investigators reportedly have evidence linking him to Mohammed Atta, who piloted the first plane into the World Trade Center.

Four of the six conspiracy charges Moussaoui faces in a U.S. court carry a possible death sentence, a punishment banned in European Union states, including Germany.

"Our documents cannot be used for the death penalty or for an execution," German Justice Minister Herta Daeubler-Gmelin told the news magazine Der Spiegel on Sunday.

"The United States is examining our answer... and will contact us afterwards," Daeubler-Gmelin said.

Germany has played a central role in the investigation into the attacks in which 19 hijackers took control of four commercial airliners and killed more than 3,000 people.

Three of the hijackers, including suspected ringleader Atta, lived in the northern German port city of Hamburg.

Moussaoui, a French citizen of Moroccan descent, was arrested in Minnesota on immigration charges in August 2001, after arousing suspicions at a flight school.

Although he was in custody on September 11, he is charged with conspiring with Saudi-born militant Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda network to carry out the attacks. He has denied involvement but has admitted to being a member of al Qaeda.

Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has sought to play down any tensions between Berlin and Washington over Germany's reluctance to release evidence, saying it was a question of different legal systems and he was confident agreement would be reached.

Schroeder has often spoken of his "unconditional solidarity" with President Bush and the United States' declared war on terror, but Schroeder said he would not support extending that campaign to an attack on Iraq.

France has also said that does not want Moussaoui to be threatened with the death penalty.

On Thursday, Germany charged an alleged conspirator, Mounir El Motassadeq, with serving as an accomplice in the New York attack.



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1 posted on 09/01/2002 2:46:53 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Tell der fuhrer that we won't forget this!
2 posted on 09/01/2002 2:58:33 PM PDT by Highest Authority
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To: kattracks
Sounds more like the French then the Germans.
3 posted on 09/01/2002 3:13:03 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: kattracks
Dumb krauts can go to hell!

(and i'm half German)
4 posted on 09/01/2002 3:14:46 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: kattracks; All
I heard a little while ago on FNC that Germany changed their mind. Anyone else heard that?
5 posted on 09/01/2002 3:20:07 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
"I heard a little while ago on FNC that Germany changed their mind. Anyone else heard that?"


Maybe someone reminded them that about 100 German nationals were killed at the WTC.

Does anyone have the breakdown by country? I did some web checking and could not find a definitive list. Hell - I remember posting a graph from the AP last October - but that was thousands of posts ago.

6 posted on 09/01/2002 3:23:48 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: kattracks
I wonder if this position will change after the German parlimentary elections.
7 posted on 09/01/2002 3:34:08 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
I tried to do a search on google but came up empty so far
8 posted on 09/01/2002 3:34:10 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: kattracks
Perhaps our best option here is to lock down our bases in Germany, only US citizens inside, and they can't go outside to spend their money. German citizens who are employed by these bases are no longer allowed inside.

As Pres Bush stated, "...you are either with us or with the terrorists...." It seems the Germans are with the terrorists. I think a bit of pressure from both employees at our bases and shop owners near our bases (who depend on our spending over there) would do wonders to change their view on this issue.

It was our nation that was attacked on 9/11, not Germany. In fact, when was the last time Germany was attacked? WWI? Oh wait, they did the attacking. How about WWII? Oh yes, same story....

Oh yes, wasn't it the Romans; about 2500 years ago? Now the Germans are worried we may put a terrorist (who helped attack our nation and kill 3000 people) to death. Where were the German people in the 1940's when their leader tortured and killed thousands of Jews with the intent of eliminating their race?

Let's not forget how much we spent to protect their nation from Soviet aggression after WWII. Yet, if I remember correctly, isn't Germany a hot-bed of muslum terrorist activity? I think I remember reading that the 9/11 attack was planed in Germany.

Heck, Russia is our friend now. Let's just shut down our German bases. Do we really need them now?

MARK A SITY
http://www.logic101.net/

9 posted on 09/01/2002 5:24:08 PM PDT by logic101.net
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To: logic101.net
Withholding evidence? Isn't that obstruction of justice? Thats against the law in the US. I've heard of withholding suspects, but evidence?
10 posted on 09/01/2002 5:49:21 PM PDT by virgil
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To: kattracks
I'd be interested in knowing when this evidence was collected and how long they've been sitting on it. The question that should be plastered all over the news media is: "What did Germany know and when did they know it?" I find it ludicrous that a nation that put so many innocent people to death during WWII can be so hypocritical at this point in time.
11 posted on 09/01/2002 6:34:03 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: kattracks
This is rather simple. Tell the Germans that we already have the information we require, and that assistance was appreciated. Make them think that they have a mole in their operation. This will cause thousands of hours of investigating their own people.
12 posted on 09/13/2002 11:17:09 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: kattracks
Let's just slap massive tariffs on German products and watch their economy tank. Who really needs a BMW (Baader-Meinhof Wagon) anyway?
13 posted on 09/13/2002 11:20:26 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
This may help --- CLICK
14 posted on 09/13/2002 11:23:16 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
Thanks - I did some digging and came up with this:

I thought there were more foreigners killed.

http://www.september11victims.com/september11Victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm

VICTIMS BY COUNTRY AND CITIZENSHIP

AS OF MOST RECENT LIST UPDATE, 06-03-2002:

Known country

Australia

3

Bermuda

1

Britain

1

Canada

5

China

2

Dominican Republic

1

El Salvador

1

England

11

Germany

6

Ireland

1

Israel

1

Japan

3

Mexico

12

USA 

2902

 

USA (By state)

Alabama

4

Arizona

1

California

48

Colorado

2

Connecticut

65

D.C.

11

Delaware

2

Florida

5

Georgia

4

Hawaii

2

Idaho

1

Illinois

9

Iowa

1

Kansas

2

Kentucky

1

Louisiana

3

Maine

4

Massachusetts

92

Maryland

50

Michigan

2

Mississippi

1

Missouri

2

North Carolina

3

New Hampshire

10

New Jersey

695

New York

1751

Nebraska

1

New Mexico

1

Nevada

1

Ohio

3

Oklahoma

2

Oregon

1

Pennsylvania

30

Rode Island

5

Tennessee

1

Texas

4

Utah

1

Virginia

81

Virgin Islands

1

Wisconsin

1

Known foreign citizenship

Australian

1

Belgian

1

Bermudan

1

Brazilian

3

British

10

Chinese

2

Colombian

20

Ecuadorian 3

Filipino

15

French 1

German

5

Guyanese

3

Haitian 2
Indian 1

Indonesian

1

Irish

1

Israeli

2

Italian

4

Ivory Coast 1

Jamaican

16

Japanese

23

Lebanese

3

Lithuania 1

Mexican

16

Moldavian

1

Peruvian

5

Portuguese

3

Russian

1

Swedish

1

Taiwanese

1

Ukrainian 1
Uzbek 1

Venezuelan

1


15 posted on 09/14/2002 4:37:54 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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