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Kuwait breaks ranks on Saddam
Telegraph ^ | 9/2/02

Posted on 09/01/2002 5:43:08 PM PDT by Ranger

Kuwait became the first Arab state yesterday to signal support for a US-led military coalition against Iraq, in marked contrast to the caution shown by other countries in the region.

The Kuwaiti foreign minister, Sheikh Mohammed Sabah Salem al-Sabah, told The Telegraph: "While Saddam Hussein continues to keep Kuwaiti prisoners of war, and continues to televise threats against Kuwait, we consider the war against Iraq to have never ended."

The sheikh's comments serve as encouragement for a Washington administration struggling to convince the international community of the need for military action.

Saudi Arabia, which America used as a base during the 1991 Gulf War to drive Iraqi invaders from Kuwait, has so far refused to open its territory to American forces for a new war against Baghdad.

A Kuwaiti government official said: "If America asks for support Kuwait will give it. I expect the same response from all Gulf states. There may be the need publicly to be anti-war, but under-the-table deals are being struck."

Twelve years after the Iraqis invaded, Kuwait again looks like a prosperous Gulf emirate, but the trauma caused by the seven-month occupation remains, and with it the growing sense that the only way to achieve regional stability is through military action to remove the Saddam regime.

A spokesman for the deputy prime minister's office said: "The Kuwaiti people are tired of living under the constant threat of aggression from Iraq.

"Those people who say that sending weapons inspectors into Iraq may be a solution to the current crisis are not those who are living within reach of his missiles and his chemical weapons. How can we feel safe with Saddam Hussein next door?"

Dr Masaad Shlash, of the department of sociology at Kuwait University, a prisoner in Iraq after the invasion, said: "Look at Saddam's treatment of his own people. He's the closest thing the Middle East has to Hitler."


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A little good news for a change.
1 posted on 09/01/2002 5:43:08 PM PDT by Ranger
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To: Ranger
A Kuwaiti government official said: "If America asks for support Kuwait will give it. I expect the same response from all Gulf states. There may be the need publicly to be anti-war, but under-the-table deals are being struck."

Do I sense a crack in the "sand coalition"?

2 posted on 09/01/2002 5:50:19 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator
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To: Ranger
I wonder if a few "terrorist" attacks in the other Islamic countries would change their minds?
3 posted on 09/01/2002 5:56:15 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: VRW Conspirator
Maybe there is a small pocket of honor left in that God forsaken region afterall
4 posted on 09/01/2002 6:00:30 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Ranger
Seems to be a pretty clear signal that the defence of Kuwait has been put in place. By the end of the war, the same people that are now complaining about our action will be complaining that we should have acted sooner.
5 posted on 09/01/2002 6:01:54 PM PDT by self_evident
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To: Ranger
It's about time somebody showed us little gratitude. Good for Kuwait! But, I seriously doubt anybody else will be returning our favors anytime soon. I'm looking at you, France, the U.K., Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, Denmark, Greece, Panama, South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Nicaragua, Norway, Egypt, Morocco, Cuba, the Phillipines, ect, etc, etc. I'm wondering if Dubya may have promised Kuwait a little slice of that Iraqi pie once the war's over, in exchange for their support? Just a thought.
6 posted on 09/01/2002 6:03:51 PM PDT by MrJingles
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To: MrJingles
I think Kuwait will increase in the size after the war with Iraq is over.
7 posted on 09/01/2002 6:06:10 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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To: Ranger
"Here come the planes...
They're American planes
Made in America.
Smoking?
Or non-smoking..."

8 posted on 09/01/2002 6:07:36 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Ranger
There was never any doubt, as far as I was concerned. You'll see similar statements coming out of Qatar within a few weeks.

I'm not sure I credit it to these arab states being statesmenlike. I think they'll want to end up on the winning side, and the more we act determined, the more friends we'll suddenly have.

9 posted on 09/01/2002 6:08:20 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Ranger
It sure is some good news.And we can use some today! Thanks for posting it.
10 posted on 09/01/2002 6:10:25 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: Dog Gone
I think you're right on Dog Gone. The last time we left things undone and it took awhile for these people to understand that this time the job will get done.....completely.

I think behind the scenes there is tremendous support in the area. It looks like the only real cowards are the euroweenies, but that's OK, they can sit on the sidelines and watch the rest of the world pass them by after its all over. I can just hear the whining and hand wringing now "but we were ALWAYS on your side"

11 posted on 09/01/2002 6:20:15 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Ranger
Some give Kuwaiti foreign minister, Sheikh Mohammed Sabah Salem al-Sabah, a drink !
12 posted on 09/01/2002 6:58:46 PM PDT by Maynerd
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To: Dog Gone
Pragmatism wins out.
13 posted on 09/01/2002 7:03:04 PM PDT by justshe
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To: MrJingles
You would'nt be Jim Jingles would you. If you are small world.
14 posted on 09/01/2002 7:08:26 PM PDT by willyone
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To: Ranger
It begins.
15 posted on 09/01/2002 7:13:16 PM PDT by PoorMuttly
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To: MrJingles
Never mind. Not Jingles. Gingles.
16 posted on 09/01/2002 7:15:23 PM PDT by willyone
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To: justshe
The thing that bothers me is that I could post a thread saying that Kuwait is a piece of camel dung that we should nuke, and it would get 100 responses in agreement.

The world is a complex place and each person, and certainly each country, has their own agenda which changes based on internal and external factors. I'm quite confident that President Bush will have lined up enough countries to provide political and geopolitical cover for our actions before they begin.

It's going to be on his timetable, though, not that of the newspapers or commentators. It certainly won't be with regard to the "nuke 'em all" crowd.

17 posted on 09/01/2002 7:17:28 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Ranger
Kuwait.

The raped determined to see the rapist dangle by a rope.

18 posted on 09/01/2002 7:18:18 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: Dog Gone
ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY!

This is what happens when you have a Commander-in-Chief who stays the course and doesn't waver.

The French will stay at home and eat their Brie, and since Frog military tanks come with back-up lights as standard equipment, I say; "STAY HOME, you'll just get in the way"

But, I'm bettin' that Kuwait is but the first domino to fall now that they see that Bush aint no Bill Clinton.

19 posted on 09/01/2002 7:33:50 PM PDT by crusher999
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To: Texasforever
The opposition to an invasion of Iraq is softening all over, its barely perceptible but its there. I think W let some folk see one of his hole cards.
20 posted on 09/01/2002 7:36:16 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: KevinDavis
I think Kuwait will increase in the size after the war with Iraq is over.

Bingo. Their change of heart had nothing to do with honor, and everything to do with greed. We'll use their bases, they'll double in size (and acquire some oil fields in the process).

21 posted on 09/01/2002 7:39:17 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Maynerd
Some give Kuwaiti foreign minister, Sheikh Mohammed Sabah Salem al-Sabah, a drink !

Make sure it's a really private drink. LOL.

22 posted on 09/01/2002 7:43:01 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Ranger
If the saudis, and the rest of the arab countries have felt
saddam's brutality as the Kuwaitis have, they too will be in our side.
23 posted on 09/01/2002 7:52:57 PM PDT by desertcry
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To: MrJingles
..........cuba, The Philippines,....... The Philippines?
24 posted on 09/01/2002 7:58:57 PM PDT by desertcry
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To: desertcry
Yeah, the Philipines. We "liberated" them during the Spanish-American war. Then to thank us, they ousted our military a little less than a century later.
25 posted on 09/01/2002 8:16:32 PM PDT by MrJingles
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To: Jack-A-Roe
And the absolute Kuwaiti monarchy will consolidate its power and the king will keep adding to his harem.
26 posted on 09/01/2002 8:18:18 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Ranger
I'd pay good money to see what went on behind closed doors for this to happen.
27 posted on 09/01/2002 8:21:44 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Ranger; MeeknMing
"Kuwait to seal $2 bln Boeing Apache deal
Reuters, 08.30.02, 7:45 AM ET"

Coinkidink?

http://www.forbes.com/markets/newswire/2002/08/30/rtr709070.html

By Ashraf Fouad
KUWAIT, Aug 30 (Reuters) - Kuwait said on Friday it will sign on Saturday an arms deal, possibly worth some $2 billion, for 16 Boeing Co. AH-64D Apache Longbow attack helicopters.

"We will sign the deal in Kuwait on Saturday," Kuwait's Defence Minister Sheikh Jaber al-Hamad al-Sabah told Reuters by telephone on Friday.

"It is a government-to-government deal," he said in reference to the U.S. Foreign Military Sales programme which governs agreements between Washington and some of its allies. The deal, originally worth $1.2 billion, has been in the making since the U.S.-led 1991 Gulf War ended the seven-month Iraqi occupation.

Differences on specification and release of advanced systems to Kuwait led to repeated delays.
The United States agreed to meet Kuwaiti requirements and earlier this year notified Congress of the sale.

The Longbow variant links a wide range of electronic sensors and weapons into one fully integrated fire control system, including Hydra rockets.

The Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency said Kuwait also was seeking four spare General Electric Co. T-700-GE-701C engines, Lockheed Martin Corp. Hellfire air-to-ground missiles plus associated equipment, training and services.

Since coming to office in February 2001, Sheikh Jaber has concluded and revived several deals as part of a $12 billion post-Gulf War plan to rearm and upgrade the small country's military that was devastated by the Iraqi invasion.

Kuwait still has a long shopping list which includes a state-of-the-art command and control system worth some $2.1 billion and a major plan for additional fixed wing warplanes.

"The C4I (first phase) is not completed yet but we are close, we are getting there," Sheikh Jaber added in reference to the command, control, computers, communications and intelligence system.

The programme is part of a wider plan to set up an integrated defence shield covering the entire Arabian peninsula by linking command and control systems in all six Gulf Arab states.

The C4I programme is split into four phases, with the first phase worth some $270 million.

An alliance between Britain's BAE Systems and Lockheed Martin of the United States is in talks with Kuwait for the first phase, officials have said.
Copyright 2002, Reuters News Service
28 posted on 09/01/2002 8:26:00 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: KevinDavis; Dog Gone
"I think Kuwait will increase in the size after the war with Iraq is over."

Believe it or not, that's actually on the table.

Based upon Bush's "take them at their word" philosophy, Iraq is in a very weak position.

You see, when Iraq invaded Kuwait it declared that Kuwait was a legitimate provice of Iraq.

By that reasoning, Kuwait could be given complete control of Iraq after the next war. After all, Kuwait is Iraq, per Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi Parliament. By their own words Kuwait could be pointed to as the legitmate heir to lead Baghdad. Kuwait is Iraq. Iraq is Kuwait. With Kuwait on our side, an invasion of Iraq essentially amounts to a mere quelling of a rebellion and a return to legitimate rule, since such an invasion would unite Kuwait with Iraq.

29 posted on 09/01/2002 8:26:09 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Texaggie79
"I'd pay good money to see what went on behind closed doors for this to happen."

pppp...ping...."I love the sound of rotors in the morning..."
30 posted on 09/01/2002 8:27:29 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Southack
I can't quite see letting Kuwait absorb Iraq. At least not all of it. If the final solution is to dissect Iraq, I could certainly see Kuwait taking the southern portion, with Turkey perhaps taking the north.

I think our ideal solution would be for Iraq to remain with its present borders and become some sort of democratic state, under strict control to prevent the population from voting in an Islamic weirdo.

Whether that's possible, I'm not sure.

31 posted on 09/01/2002 8:39:38 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Ranger

32 posted on 09/01/2002 8:43:58 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Ranger; weikel; Bloody Sam Roberts
'War is hell...we all know that and to borrow the words of the Great General Douglas MacArthur,"the soldiers hate the war because they are the ones who suffer the most when it comes." But history tells us that to prevent the destruction of nations and it's people,wars were fought countless of times since the world began.Wars are sometimes fought to prevent more wars,as in this case....'

"BEGIN LANDING YOUR TROOPS"

33 posted on 09/01/2002 8:46:51 PM PDT by Senator_Palpatine
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To: Dog Gone
I agree with your thoughts
34 posted on 09/01/2002 8:48:16 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: Texasforever
Maybe there is a small pocket of honor left in that God forsaken region afterall

Yes, unlike Europe.

35 posted on 09/01/2002 8:56:59 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Ranger
Umm well Kuwait better support us...I mean we saved their asses. What choice do they have...lol

36 posted on 09/01/2002 9:01:29 PM PDT by Lucas1
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To: Ranger
Umm well Kuwait better support us...I mean we saved their asses. What choice do they have...lol

37 posted on 09/01/2002 9:02:22 PM PDT by Lucas1
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To: Ranger
Which can only mean one thing.

We've told the Kuwaitis that the party is on. That's the only reason why the Kuwaitis, normally so cautious, would come out like this.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

38 posted on 09/01/2002 9:07:26 PM PDT by section9
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To: McGavin999
It looks like the only real cowards are the euroweenies, but that's OK, they can sit on the sidelines and watch the rest of the world pass them by after its all over. I can just hear the whining and hand wringing now "but we were ALWAYS on your side"

We'll let them absolve themselves, by paying a hefty portion of the tab. If they try to weasel out of this, we should be able to put the screws on them somehow. For instance, while we (in the U.S.) ride our corporations pretty hard about not getting involved in overseas corruption, most of the European nations are not so scrupulous. We might pressure the new Iraqi government to investigate past corporate corruption, and institute a five year moratorium prohibiting companies that paid bribes in the past from bidding on contracts under the new government. That would put the fear of God and George W into 'em.

39 posted on 09/01/2002 9:11:27 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: VRW Conspirator
Kuwait needs to chat with the Taliban about the wisdom of opposing the USA.
40 posted on 09/01/2002 9:17:09 PM PDT by Right To Life
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To: Ranger
And so it starts, and before it's over the Arabs will be falling all over each other to approve the "Great Satan"'s coalition. Arab support for Saddam may be a mile wide, but (excepting maybe Syria -- only because it's next on the list) it's an inch deep.
41 posted on 09/01/2002 9:19:24 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: section9; exmarine; Khepera
We've told the Kuwaitis that the party is on. That's the only reason why the Kuwaitis, normally so cautious, would come out like this.

Very likely. However, the War Against Iraq won't begin until December of this year.

42 posted on 09/01/2002 9:19:59 PM PDT by Right To Life
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To: Jack-A-Roe
Bribery...
43 posted on 09/01/2002 9:23:05 PM PDT by Right To Life
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To: Dog Gone
...the more we act determined, the more friends we'll suddenly have.

That is true in a great many areas of life.

44 posted on 09/01/2002 9:24:57 PM PDT by Right To Life
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To: Dog Gone
I can't see letting Kuwaitt control Iraq either. We would be putting them in the exact position we didn't want Saddam Hussein to be in 1991.
46 posted on 09/01/2002 9:31:22 PM PDT by Joseph_CutlerUSA
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To: VRW Conspirator
Do I sense a crack in the "sand coalition"?

I was going to say a break in the iceberg, but yours is the better metaphor. I've been thinking all along the public is having to endure a waiting game while ducks are getting counted and deals struck. We do, after all, have to leave Iraq in a stable condition and this will require much change in the ME. If we pull this off, we might live to see a world at peace.

47 posted on 09/01/2002 9:58:23 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Texaggie79
I'd pay good money to see what went on behind closed doors for this to happen.

I'm thinking there's a lot going on behind closed doors and in a pretty treacherous environment, too. Going to be interesting to watch the chips fall.

48 posted on 09/01/2002 10:02:13 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Yehuda
Those surely come with air conditioning right ? And window tint ! Gotta have window tint !!

Stay Safe !!

49 posted on 09/01/2002 10:04:17 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: Dog Gone
Kuwait is probably the least wretched country in the Middle East.

Contrast Kuwait with Iraq, or even Saudi Arabia, and you get the picture.

D

50 posted on 09/01/2002 10:25:17 PM PDT by daviddennis
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