Twenty-three year old man shot dead by police in a marijuana raid

Dayton Daily News ^ | 10/01/02 | Cathy Mong

[LibWhacker]

People have to get over their Wild-West fantasies that they have an automatic right to pick up a gun and go investigate everytime they hear somebody kick down their front door!

[Wolfie]

Don't bring a blue cup to a gun fight.

[Protagoras]

A little bit of hypocrisy there for you ... while the cops murder someone for being involved with drugs, they themselves flaunt their own addicition, which by the way kills a lot more people each year than pot does - or all illegal drugs combined for that matter.

Last year around this time I was invited to play in a golf outing by someone I know who said he was invited by "some good customers". He runs a fast food joint.

We went, it turned out to be a DEA outing. I was fascinated by the antics. It rained, the agents decended on the beer barrels at 9 am. They were drinking out of the pitchers. Almost all of them were falling down drunk in a short time. I'm sure they all had designated drivers to take them home at 11:30 in the morning when they ran the barrels dry.

Amazing stuff.

[walkingdead]

Your right, it?s scary. Heck, whenever I hear ANYTHING in my house, I immediately grab my shotgun. Because if it?s some lunatic busting into my house, I have a way better chance of surviving. Especially if it?s a gang of lunatics. Now if it?s the police, well, it looks like I die. Not fair man....

[Hemingway's Ghost]

Don't bring a blue cup to a gun fight.

If that thing had a coozie on it they would've called in the arty for back-up.

[Kevin Curry]

Well, you've persuaded me, HG. Legalize all addictive psychoactive chemicals now. Disband the police forces and the state that supports them.

Let the stateless pro-dope Nirvana blossom forth in all its splendor. From each citizen according to his ability, to each doper according to his need.

Arise ye dopers from your munchies
Arise poor prisoners of the state
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of "can't."
Away with all your superstitions
Randian masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old traditions
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The sacred hookah unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
Dope, our sacrament, unites the human race.

No more deluded by reaction
Only statists we will fight
The soldiers too will take strike action
They'll break ranks and spliffs will light
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.

Only marijuana high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E'er the thieves will out with their booty
And allow to all a brim-filled pipe
Each at the bong must do his duty
When the sensimilla is fully ripe.

[walkingdead]

You know, there's one more thing we're missing. No where in this whole report do I see that the cops told him to drop his gun. (persuming he did in fact have one, which may not even be true) Isn't that some kind of standard procedure? Seems like they shot him pretty quickly, before they could even identify themselves. I mean, it's not like these cops were taking down Tony Mantana's pad. (Scarface)

[Consort]

What's the significance of being 23 years old?

[blackdog]

Pretty clever too. Changing the technical name of a SWAT team to "Emergency Services Group" I guess it is still accurate. They group, they service, and they create an emergency. This issue should become a local issue in every town, where the citizens force the town govenments to disarm and disband these mindless thugs with psychological problems. The judges issuing the warrants approving this should be strung up. What a piss-ant judge! They see how stable these cops are on a daily basis in their courtrooms. What is wrong with them?

[Hemingway's Ghost]

Well, you've persuaded me, HG. Legalize all addictive psychoactive chemicals now. Disband the police forces and the state that supports them.

Sounds like a plan, Kevin---and I hereby nominate you as poet laureate of the Jack Booted Thugs.

[Durus]

I know a few LEO's from the shooting range and a few more from community groups. The majority of them are nice people who are trying to make a positive contribution to society.

It's very possible that the shooter in this case was a good person who made a mistake. Perhaps ultimately the mistake was made by the people in charge of this raid. Regardless the result was a death of a human being.

What is most likely to happen is that the shooter will be put on paid leave until the shooting is ruled justified. This is usually just a formality (in the case of a rural, white, "druggie") No justice was served in this raid, and no justice will be forthcoming in the death of the victim.

As much as I respect the LEO's I know, I despise that they are now an elite class that are above the law.

[chance33_98]

Hey, you forgot to ping me :)

[Kevin Curry]

I'm sure your Generalissimo Soros would agree with you.

[blackdog]

You forget too, that these small town cops wait all year for this type of stuff. It's better than sex, christmas, and the easter bunny all in one sixty second rush. The same sixty seconds of chaos for the target is a lifetime of sweet memories for your local leo.

[walkingdead]

Yep, your probably right. Makes more sense of the hi-fivin? going on afterword huh. I suppose it?s a little more thrilling, for the small town cop, than pulling over the local drunk, and taking him to the tank.

[BlessingInDisguise]

Hey I'm 23 AND I've smoked weed before! Shoot me!

[apochromat]

If I recall correctly, you post stupidly because of your half-brother's problems?

[walkingdead]

Hey, that'd work great. It'd be alot like David Chapel (comedian) said.

Rookie Cop: Man, we shot him for nothing, what are we gonna do?

Old Cop: Don't worry man, we'll just sprinkle some crack on him and everything will be cool.

It's been one of my lines as of late. Don't worry, we'll just sprinkle some crack on it, it'll be alright. Makes me laugh everytime.....

[Hemingway's Ghost]

I'm sure your Generalissimo Soros would agree with you.

Come on, Kevin, that's Dane's whole raison d'etre---his entire act. I expect better from you.