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CONSPIRACY: The Okla. City-Sept. 11 Connection
Philadelphia News ^ | Oct. 03, 2002 | Michael Smerconish

Posted on 10/03/2002 8:14:28 AM PDT by aculeus

I'M NOT A conspiracy guy. I think Oswald killed Kennedy, and that he acted alone. And, like all Americans, I figured that the tragic bombing of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was the work of two sick ex-Army guys, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

Now I'm not so sure.

Last night, my radio station, the Big Talker 1210, brought three speakers to town for a remarkable presentation: Jayna Davis, a reporter from Oklahoma City; Larry Johnson, ex-deputy director of the State Department's office of counterterrorism, and Patrick Lang, Mideast expert formerly of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

In a spellbinding presentation, they made the case for a connection between Mideast terrorism, the Murrah bombing - and the attacks on the Twin Towers.

Now I know why former CIA Director James Woolsey has been quoted as saying that when the full truth is known about these acts of terrorism, the nation will owe Davis "a debt of gratitude."

Why her name is not already a household word is the greatest mystery of all. Just this week, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that U.S. intelligence has "bulletproof" evidence of links between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. Rumsfeld didn't offer specifics. But here is what we know from the work of Davis.

When the Murrah bombing occurred at 9:02 a.m. on April 19, 1995, Davis was a reporter for the NBC affiliate in Oklahoma City. She was among the first journalists to broadcast that an enormous truck bomb had rocked the heartland, killing 168 and injuring hundreds.

In the immediate aftermath of the explosion, the FBI launched an international pursuit of several Middle Eastern-looking men seen fleeing the Murrah Building in a brown Chevy pickup right before the blast. Without explanation, that all-points bulletin was later canceled. Two days later, Timothy McVeigh was a household name. So was Terry Nichols.

And that's where most of us left the tale. Stunned, but convinced that two Army buddies, homegrown terrorists, acted alone.

Thankfully, Davis didn't close this book as quickly as most of us did. She pursued the APB and set off to track reports of multiple sightings of McVeigh with an elusive dark-haired accomplice. The infamous sketch of John Doe No. 2 was always tucked firmly in her grip.

Davis soon uncovered that several employees at an Oklahoma City property- management company said they had seen a brown Chevy truck like the getaway vehicle aggressively pursued by law enforcement parked outside their office in the days before the bombing. The company's owner was a Palestinian with a rap sheet and suspected ties to the PLO.

Davis learned that, six months before the bombing, the Palestinian hired a handful of ex-Iraqi soldiers to do maintenance at his rental houses. Eyewitnesses told Davis that they celebrated the bombing.

She was also made aware that these same men were absent from work on April 17, 1995, the day McVeigh rented the Ryder truck that carried the bomb.

While pursuing the story of these Middle Eastern men, Davis also became aware of another ex-Iraqi soldier in Oklahoma City named Hussain Hashem Al-Hussaini. She was taken aback to see that Al-Hussaini's picture, when overlaid with the government sketch of John Doe No. 2, was arguably a perfect match. He even sported a tattoo on his upper left arm indicating that he likely had served in Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard.

Davis then set about looking for a connection to McVeigh, Nichols, Al-Hussaini and other Iraqis. It came when a colleague located two eyewitnesses who claimed to have independently seen Al-Hussaini drinking beer with McVeigh in an Oklahoma City nightclub just four days before the bombing.

This convinced her station to run with the Iraqi-connection story. It was met with some controversy.

The Justice Department responded that the identification of John Doe No. 2 was merely a case of mistaken identity. Al-Hussaini contacted local reporters, claiming to be falsely accused. Davis did not back off because she believed she could repudiate Al-Hussaini's alibi.

AND SHE LOCATED two dozen witnesses who identified eight specific Middle Eastern men, the majority of whom were ex-Iraqi soldiers, who were seen with McVeigh and Nichols. Two witnesses named Al-Hussaini as the dark-haired, olive-skinned man they observed one block from the Murrah Building just before daybreak on the day of the blast.

She also uncovered evidence that implicated several of Al-Hussaini's co-workers. One of these men was identified as sitting in the driver's seat of a Chevy pickup at an Oklahoma City apartment complex hours before the truck was abandoned on the lot and towed to the FBI command post. According to police records, the truck had been stripped of its vehicle identification numbers and identifying body molding.

The story gathered steam. Here, it would appear, was the deserted pickup that was the same vehicle that was seen speeding away from the vicinity of the Murrah building with two Arab-looking occupants.

And there was more. Five witnesses independently fingered several of Al-Hussaini's associates as frequent visitors to an Oklahoma City motel in the months, days, and hours leading up to 9:02 a.m. on April 19. On numerous occasions, the subjects were seen in the company of McVeigh, and during a few instances, associating with Nichols - at the same motel!

Davis spoke to the motel owner and a maintenance worker who said the men came within feet of a large Ryder truck parked on the west side of the parking lot at 7:40 a.m. on April 19. An unexplained odor of diesel fuel emanated from the rear carriage. Minutes later, McVeigh entered the motel office and returned the room key. The motel owner then saw McVeigh drive off the lot with a man identified as Al-Hussaini.

To this day, the Justice Department has refused to return the original registration logs for the motel.

Davis has 80 pages of affidavits and 2,000 supporting documents, and they suggest not only an Iraqi connection to the Murrah bombing, but also to the attacks against the Twin Towers.

For example, Nichols was a man of modest means. Yet he traveled frequently to the Philippines. Davis discovered that Nichols was there, in Cebu City in December 1994, at the same time as the convicted mastermind of the first World Trade Center attack, Ramzi Yousef.

She has also found evidence that Islamic terrorists boasted of having recruited two "lily whites" for terrorism.

Al-Hussaini had a very American response to Davis' investigation. He sued for defamation. In a ruling on Nov. 17, 1999, federal Judge Timothy Leonard dismissed the case.

In 1995, the federal grand jury proclaimed in the official indictment that McVeigh and Nichols acted with "others unknown." And several members of the Denver juries who convicted the two said publicly that they thought they had help.

Since 1997, Davis has repeatedly tried to interest the FBI in her investigation. She has been rebuffed.

As for Al-Hussaini, after leaving Oklahoma City, he went on to work at Boston's Logan International Airport, the point of origin for several for the 9/11 hijackers, including Mohammad Atta.

One more thing. That motel where McVeigh, Nichols and Al-Hussaini were seen together was later visited (pre-9/11) by Atta, Zacharias Moussaouy and Marwan Al-Shehi.

Michael Smerconish's column appears Thursdays. E-mail mas@mastalk.com.

© 2001 philly and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: fredthompson; okcbombing
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To: Poohbah
Close Poohbah, but not quite.

The Clinton Administration, made a concious effort in 1993, with the WTC bombing, to shift US Government Policy regarding ALL TERRORISM as State Sposored, to the work of Individuals. This way they could treat it as a Law enforcement probblem, and not ever be burdened by the Politically Risky pursuit of State Actors.

BTW, that was the most IMPORTANT PART of Bush's Axis of Evil speech. In one quick turn he put the emphasis back where it belonged, and without any of the Talking heads noticing. (mostly because they refused to call the Previous Administration on it).....

121 posted on 10/04/2002 11:06:20 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: hobbes1
WRT Oklahoma City, Clinton was VERY desperate to keep it pinned on the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.
122 posted on 10/04/2002 11:07:27 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: aculeus
As for Al-Hussaini, after leaving Oklahoma City, he went on to work at Boston's Logan
International Airport, the point of origin for several for the 9/11 hijackers,
including Mohammad Atta.


Somebody needs to do a statistical study.
As to what are the odds that ANYONE, OF ANY RACE, AGE, ETHNICITY, ETC.,
would have worked in both Oklahoma City AND Boston.
Let alone Logan International Airport.

I grew up in North Central Oklahoma, graduated from a college in OKC, got my graduate
degree from OSU in Stillwater, OK.

The only reason I have ever been at Logan International Airport is because I went
for a professional meeting in Boston.

The odds of someone having a work history that includes OKC and even just the Boston area
is probably pretty slim.

One more thing. That motel where McVeigh, Nichols and Al-Hussaini were seen together
was later visited (pre-9/11) by Atta, Zacharias Moussaouy and Marwan Al-Shehi.

And IIRC, when one of these pukes showed up, they told the owner of the hotel that
they came there on the recommendation of friends who'd been there earlier.
(IIRC, they were turned away because there were no available rooms,
at least on that occassion.)
123 posted on 10/04/2002 11:10:47 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
Jayna Davis' work is VERY credible. You dont get mentioned consistently on the WSJ Editorial page by being a Tinfoil hat wearer.
124 posted on 10/04/2002 11:12:05 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: hobbes1
And we see it now in the defense strategies of the Buffalo 6, where their apologists are saying they committed no crime.

A crime fighting strategy towards terrorism is short sighted, to say the least, since very few terrorists get caught for common crimes as they stay clean. By the time you can nail them for a terror crime, its too late.
125 posted on 10/04/2002 11:17:02 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: soozla
At one time, there were links posted here to very early radio reports made immediately
after the bombing. The links seem to have dried up.


I can't help you with the links...but can give you this testimony.

Just as the bombing was happening, I was leaving the Wal-Mart (on Perkins Road)
in Stillwater, OK.
As usual, I had "talk radio" on, I believe the station from Oklahoma City that's
at 1000AM.

What did strike me was the report from a female reporter who said that when she
asked for comment from a civilian who'd rushed into the wreckage...
all the fellow would say is that he didn't want to talk about what he'd seen.

It was at that moment that I knew something awful had happened...Okies are used to the
"blood and guts" of life as working on farms and surviving tornadoes are common life
experiences.
Something that would make a grown Okie male blanch...that's got to be bad.

The one conflictory report that I remember most in the following day...the Middle Eastern
fellow (Jordanian?) that was apparently falsely accussed.

And, as time wore on, I think authorities just ignored the reports of McVeigh
(and maybe others) stopping at a Newkirk, OK convenience store before the
bombing.
126 posted on 10/04/2002 11:18:42 AM PDT by VOA
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To: baseballmom
Michael Smerconish, a lawyer, Republican, and all around good guy, is also the loudest
voice for the memory of Officer Daniel Faulkner, the Philadelphia police officer,
who was murdered by Mumia in 1980. Never forget.


Well, those are legit bona fides for me.
Nice to see this is getting some play beyond the OKC area.
127 posted on 10/04/2002 11:24:47 AM PDT by VOA
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To: spetznaz
Chastise you? No, I only found your questions naive but to which they were worth responding. Sorry. Others beside yourself are in the same boat. (Ask yourself why OKCSubmariner has been banned.)
128 posted on 10/04/2002 11:30:34 AM PDT by flamefront
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To: codder too
She may still be the one controlling what is done with it.

I didn't get that impression. Yesterday, Smerconish extended an invitation to her to be interrogated by Sen. Spector in his office in DC over the air. Apparently, he talked Spector into doing that. At the time he announced it on his show, he had not yet talked with Davis and had not gotten permission from the "suits" of his radio station.

129 posted on 10/04/2002 11:31:29 AM PDT by twigs
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To: aculeus
One more thing. That motel where McVeigh, Nichols and Al-Hussaini were seen together was later visited (pre-9/11) by Atta, Zacharias Moussaouy and Marwan Al-Shehi.

I'd like to hear more about the substantiation of proof on this ... for if it is true, it's one heckuva coincidence if it ain't something else ...

why would Atta travel to Oklahoma? unless there is a huge Islamic following there and this seems to be the case with the "Jihad in America" video ...
130 posted on 10/04/2002 11:37:25 AM PDT by Bobby777
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To: spetznaz
Nice answer.

Ok - so your questions are sincere.

List your open questions, you said you have many, and I will spend some of my time directing you to answers, if I can.

Sorry, for coming off acerbic, that was not my intention. I will,however, continue to be skeptical to posters that claim objectivity, feign ignorance, and want to be educated, when the information in question is readily available to the modestly skilled researcher. You set off those flags for me.

So lets begin
What are your open "questionmarks?"

131 posted on 10/04/2002 11:37:31 AM PDT by Triple
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To: flamefront
Ok. Why was OKCSubmariner banned?
132 posted on 10/04/2002 12:01:04 PM PDT by spetznaz
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To: Bobby777
I'd like to hear more about the substantiation of proof on this ... for if it is true, it's one heckuva coincidence if it ain't something else

The Terrorist Motel: The I-40 connection between Moussaoui and Atta

The motel co-owner, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the incident occurred around August 1, 2001, just six weeks before 9/11.

"They came in around 10 or 11 a.m. and started talking to my desk clerk," he said. Even though he was working about 10 feet away from the trio, the owner didn't really pay any attention at first. "They were asking my clerk, who no longer works here, about a weekly rate for our rooms." (The former clerk could not be reached for comment.)

The motel, explained the owner, sets aside some rooms with small kitchenettes to rent on a weekly basis. "But they were all taken." He said the clerk explained the situation, but the visitors were persistent. "Finally, my clerk asked me to talk to them."

The motel owner said that Moussaoui and a man who appeared to be Marwan al-Shehhi -- who helped crash a jetliner into the south tower of the World Trade Center -- were friendly and said a few things, but Atta was clearly the leader. "He did most of the talking and seemed very serious," said the owner, adding, "I was standing face to face, about two feet away from Atta, and talked to the three of them for about 10 minutes. Atta asked if he could rent one of the other rooms at a weekly rate, and I told him no.

"I asked him what they were doing here in the area. And Atta told me they were going to flight school. I thought he meant [Federal Aviation Administration] training in Oklahoma City. But Atta told me no, they were taking flight training in Norman.

133 posted on 10/04/2002 12:01:28 PM PDT by honway
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To: da_toolman
Dude - thanks for the ping on this...
134 posted on 10/04/2002 12:08:13 PM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: spetznaz
>>>>>Ok. Why was OKCSubmariner banned? <<<<<<


OKCSubmariner has been banned from FR because he posted an article with information and opinions contrary to the editorial policy of the webmaster.

OKCSubmariner has made important contributions to the OKC bombing investigation and much of his work has been posted on this forum.

For years it was a challenge to obtain information about
the OKC bombing that went beyond the Department of Justice press releases, particularly information on the Middle Eastern terrorist connection. Freerepublic.com and the work of OKCSubmariner and others helped fill the void left by the mainstream press. Today, you can read about the Middle Eastern terrorist role in the bombing
in the Wall Street Journal and see the coverage on CNN an FOX. It wasn't always so.

Since shortly after the bombing, OKCSub has spent a significant amout of time interviewing dozens of witnesses, performing individual research, and working with other investigators such as General Partin and William Jasper.

For years Pat dedicated countless hours on a very focused agenda: uncover the truth about the bombing.
Early on he was convinced that only by uncovering the
entire truth about the bombing could another attack be prevented. In a published letter he eloquently made that case in 1998, stating that unless the responsible parties were prosecuted, the same terrorists would attack us again.

There is one thing I know for certain, no one
has done more to identify all the responsible parties
involved in the Oklahoma City bombing than OKCSubmariner.
Importantly, the responsible parties include the same terrorist network that attacked us on September 11.

Pat is an idealist and his only agenda is the truth.
In the world we live in, a new Republican Administration
will never expose the illegal cover up of the OKC bombing
by the previous Clinton Administration. The current Administration is in a position to arrest and prosecute all the responsible parties involved in the mass murder of 168 innocent victims, starting with Al-Hussaini.
This will never happen for political reasons.

An idealist believes that truth and justice are more important than politics. Because of this ideal, the banning of OKCSubmariner from this political forum was inevitable .

His contributions will be missed.

135 posted on 10/04/2002 12:08:36 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
thanks for the info ... imagine having met Atta just a few weeks before ... if only the roof had caved in and taken Atta out that day ...
136 posted on 10/04/2002 12:11:48 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Triple; flamefront
I do not want to leave this thread with some pseudo-feud here. Hence let me say i respect both of your opinions, and your answers were indeed comprehensive (especially the links from you FlameFront). Thus do not think i deem your statements as null assertions without basis. I do not. The only problem i had was when it seemed you guys were digging up stuff on me that did not exist.

Anyways it was a pleasure conversing with you folks. Hope to see you on some other thread in the future ...hopefully this time we will spend all the time debating the thread not each other.

Regards

Spetz.

137 posted on 10/04/2002 12:19:17 PM PDT by spetznaz
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To: spetznaz
Reply to your post 83:

#1. Clinton would have had to assume a lot of the blame for letting Saddam kick the weapons inspectors out and not keeping the level of survielance on Iraq he should have. Clinton's treatment of the CIA and FBI had the effect of lowering moral to all-time lows. It is just possible our Intel. community didn't know what was comming. Couple those things with the poor state of our military at the time, thanks to Clinton's priorities, to mount an offensive against Iraq and......well I guess you get the picture.

#2. One answer that comes to mind was the poor state of the Intel. Agencies Bush inherited from Clinton. However, since Ms. Davis has gone "semi public" with her research President Bush has certainly fixed his interest on Iraq. A coincidence? I don't think so.

#3. The Democrats certainly wouldn't put this at the top of their agenda. If it is true, then who gets/wants to go back and tell the families of the victims of Oklahoma City and Flight 800 that they were lied to? Would you?

138 posted on 10/04/2002 1:37:52 PM PDT by fightu4it
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To: glorygirl; PhilDragoo; ~Kim4VRWC's~; hoi-polloi; Jim Robinson; OKCSubmariner; honway; backhoe; ...
UPDATE - MICHAEL SMERCONISH RADIO SHOW 10-4-02 4:20pm

Michael just announced on his show that he was in receipt of a fax letter from Sen Arlen Spector (whom he knows well) replying to him re: Jayna Davis info. This gist of the leter is:

Dear Director Meuller!!!! Spector told him he was in receipt of the FULL FILE of Jayna Davis in which it is alleged that Iraqi nationals (and perhaps Al Qada) were involved in OKC bombings. Jayna contacted his office with the information. **slight paraphrasing** here - *It is my understanding that members of my staff contacted your office requesting briefings on this matter - and were rebuffed.** It is also my understanding that briefings were offered to James Woolsey and he delined the offer. In light of the congressional hearings going on, don't you think this matter requires further investigating.** A CC was sent to John Ashcroft.

Michael said info of this letter would be made public in a statement later today by Spector's office.

Michael also said that Spector would welcome Jayna to his office, and Michael asked him if he could sit in on the conference WITH MICROPHONES. Spector said yes, and now Michael is working on broadcasting this radio show. He said "Don't miss the show next week."

Also, apparently, this is getting lots of play. Michael mentioned that it was on the FREE REPUBLIC website, Lucianne, and another that I forgot to write down. But that the internet was abuzz with this infor. And he has received literally 1000's of e-mails about this subject since Wednesday, when he had Jayna on his show.

PS. I copied and pasted the recipients names from various posts. If I neglected to post anyone that you know is interested, please ping them for me. Thanks.
139 posted on 10/04/2002 1:43:15 PM PDT by baseballmom
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To: taxed2death
Oops..sorry 'bout that. ;-)
140 posted on 10/04/2002 1:50:14 PM PDT by Twodees
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