CONSPIRACY: The Okla. City-Sept. 11 Connection

Philadelphia News ^ | Oct. 03, 2002 | Michael Smerconish

[hobbes1]

Close Poohbah, but not quite.

The Clinton Administration, made a concious effort in 1993, with the WTC bombing, to shift US Government Policy regarding ALL TERRORISM as State Sposored, to the work of Individuals. This way they could treat it as a Law enforcement probblem, and not ever be burdened by the Politically Risky pursuit of State Actors.

BTW, that was the most IMPORTANT PART of Bush's Axis of Evil speech. In one quick turn he put the emphasis back where it belonged, and without any of the Talking heads noticing. (mostly because they refused to call the Previous Administration on it).....

[Poohbah]

WRT Oklahoma City, Clinton was VERY desperate to keep it pinned on the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.

[VOA]

As for Al-Hussaini, after leaving Oklahoma City, he went on to work at Boston's Logan
International Airport, the point of origin for several for the 9/11 hijackers,
including Mohammad Atta.

Somebody needs to do a statistical study.
As to what are the odds that ANYONE, OF ANY RACE, AGE, ETHNICITY, ETC.,
would have worked in both Oklahoma City AND Boston.
Let alone Logan International Airport.

I grew up in North Central Oklahoma, graduated from a college in OKC, got my graduate
degree from OSU in Stillwater, OK.

The only reason I have ever been at Logan International Airport is because I went
for a professional meeting in Boston.

The odds of someone having a work history that includes OKC and even just the Boston area
is probably pretty slim.

One more thing. That motel where McVeigh, Nichols and Al-Hussaini were seen together
was later visited (pre-9/11) by Atta, Zacharias Moussaouy and Marwan Al-Shehi.

And IIRC, when one of these pukes showed up, they told the owner of the hotel that
they came there on the recommendation of friends who'd been there earlier.
(IIRC, they were turned away because there were no available rooms,
at least on that occassion.)

[hobbes1]

Jayna Davis' work is VERY credible. You dont get mentioned consistently on the WSJ Editorial page by being a Tinfoil hat wearer.

[swarthyguy]

And we see it now in the defense strategies of the Buffalo 6, where their apologists are saying they committed no crime.

A crime fighting strategy towards terrorism is short sighted, to say the least, since very few terrorists get caught for common crimes as they stay clean. By the time you can nail them for a terror crime, its too late.

[VOA]

At one time, there were links posted here to very early radio reports made immediately
after the bombing. The links seem to have dried up.

I can't help you with the links...but can give you this testimony.

Just as the bombing was happening, I was leaving the Wal-Mart (on Perkins Road)
in Stillwater, OK.
As usual, I had "talk radio" on, I believe the station from Oklahoma City that's
at 1000AM.

What did strike me was the report from a female reporter who said that when she
asked for comment from a civilian who'd rushed into the wreckage...
all the fellow would say is that he didn't want to talk about what he'd seen.

It was at that moment that I knew something awful had happened...Okies are used to the
"blood and guts" of life as working on farms and surviving tornadoes are common life
experiences.
Something that would make a grown Okie male blanch...that's got to be bad.

The one conflictory report that I remember most in the following day...the Middle Eastern
fellow (Jordanian?) that was apparently falsely accussed.

And, as time wore on, I think authorities just ignored the reports of McVeigh
(and maybe others) stopping at a Newkirk, OK convenience store before the
bombing.

[VOA]

Michael Smerconish, a lawyer, Republican, and all around good guy, is also the loudest
voice for the memory of Officer Daniel Faulkner, the Philadelphia police officer,
who was murdered by Mumia in 1980. Never forget.

Well, those are legit bona fides for me.
Nice to see this is getting some play beyond the OKC area.

[flamefront]

Chastise you? No, I only found your questions naive but to which they were worth responding. Sorry. Others beside yourself are in the same boat. (Ask yourself why OKCSubmariner has been banned.)

[twigs]

She may still be the one controlling what is done with it.

I didn't get that impression. Yesterday, Smerconish extended an invitation to her to be interrogated by Sen. Spector in his office in DC over the air. Apparently, he talked Spector into doing that. At the time he announced it on his show, he had not yet talked with Davis and had not gotten permission from the "suits" of his radio station.

[Bobby777]

One more thing. That motel where McVeigh, Nichols and Al-Hussaini were seen together was later visited (pre-9/11) by Atta, Zacharias Moussaouy and Marwan Al-Shehi.

I'd like to hear more about the substantiation of proof on this ... for if it is true, it's one heckuva coincidence if it ain't something else ...

why would Atta travel to Oklahoma? unless there is a huge Islamic following there and this seems to be the case with the "Jihad in America" video ...

[Triple]

Nice answer.

Ok - so your questions are sincere.

List your open questions, you said you have many, and I will spend some of my time directing you to answers, if I can.

Sorry, for coming off acerbic, that was not my intention. I will,however, continue to be skeptical to posters that claim objectivity, feign ignorance, and want to be educated, when the information in question is readily available to the modestly skilled researcher. You set off those flags for me.

So lets begin
What are your open "questionmarks?"

[spetznaz]

Ok. Why was OKCSubmariner banned?

[honway]

I'd like to hear more about the substantiation of proof on this ... for if it is true, it's one heckuva coincidence if it ain't something else

The Terrorist Motel: The I-40 connection between Moussaoui and Atta

The motel co-owner, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the incident occurred around August 1, 2001, just six weeks before 9/11.

"They came in around 10 or 11 a.m. and started talking to my desk clerk," he said. Even though he was working about 10 feet away from the trio, the owner didn't really pay any attention at first. "They were asking my clerk, who no longer works here, about a weekly rate for our rooms." (The former clerk could not be reached for comment.)

The motel, explained the owner, sets aside some rooms with small kitchenettes to rent on a weekly basis. "But they were all taken." He said the clerk explained the situation, but the visitors were persistent. "Finally, my clerk asked me to talk to them."

The motel owner said that Moussaoui and a man who appeared to be Marwan al-Shehhi -- who helped crash a jetliner into the south tower of the World Trade Center -- were friendly and said a few things, but Atta was clearly the leader. "He did most of the talking and seemed very serious," said the owner, adding, "I was standing face to face, about two feet away from Atta, and talked to the three of them for about 10 minutes. Atta asked if he could rent one of the other rooms at a weekly rate, and I told him no.

"I asked him what they were doing here in the area. And Atta told me they were going to flight school. I thought he meant [Federal Aviation Administration] training in Oklahoma City. But Atta told me no, they were taking flight training in Norman.

[phasma proeliator]

Dude - thanks for the ping on this...

[honway]

>>>>>Ok. Why was OKCSubmariner banned? <<<<<<


OKCSubmariner has been banned from FR because he posted an article with information and opinions contrary to the editorial policy of the webmaster.

OKCSubmariner has made important contributions to the OKC bombing investigation and much of his work has been posted on this forum.

For years it was a challenge to obtain information about
the OKC bombing that went beyond the Department of Justice press releases, particularly information on the Middle Eastern terrorist connection. Freerepublic.com and the work of OKCSubmariner and others helped fill the void left by the mainstream press. Today, you can read about the Middle Eastern terrorist role in the bombing
in the Wall Street Journal and see the coverage on CNN an FOX. It wasn't always so.

Since shortly after the bombing, OKCSub has spent a significant amout of time interviewing dozens of witnesses, performing individual research, and working with other investigators such as General Partin and William Jasper.

For years Pat dedicated countless hours on a very focused agenda: uncover the truth about the bombing.
Early on he was convinced that only by uncovering the
entire truth about the bombing could another attack be prevented. In a published letter he eloquently made that case in 1998, stating that unless the responsible parties were prosecuted, the same terrorists would attack us again.

There is one thing I know for certain, no one
has done more to identify all the responsible parties
involved in the Oklahoma City bombing than OKCSubmariner.
Importantly, the responsible parties include the same terrorist network that attacked us on September 11.

Pat is an idealist and his only agenda is the truth.
In the world we live in, a new Republican Administration
will never expose the illegal cover up of the OKC bombing
by the previous Clinton Administration. The current Administration is in a position to arrest and prosecute all the responsible parties involved in the mass murder of 168 innocent victims, starting with Al-Hussaini.
This will never happen for political reasons.

An idealist believes that truth and justice are more important than politics. Because of this ideal, the banning of OKCSubmariner from this political forum was inevitable .

His contributions will be missed.

[Bobby777]

thanks for the info ... imagine having met Atta just a few weeks before ... if only the roof had caved in and taken Atta out that day ...

[spetznaz]

I do not want to leave this thread with some pseudo-feud here. Hence let me say i respect both of your opinions, and your answers were indeed comprehensive (especially the links from you FlameFront). Thus do not think i deem your statements as null assertions without basis. I do not. The only problem i had was when it seemed you guys were digging up stuff on me that did not exist.

Anyways it was a pleasure conversing with you folks. Hope to see you on some other thread in the future ...hopefully this time we will spend all the time debating the thread not each other.

Regards

Spetz.

[fightu4it]

Reply to your post 83:

#1. Clinton would have had to assume a lot of the blame for letting Saddam kick the weapons inspectors out and not keeping the level of survielance on Iraq he should have. Clinton's treatment of the CIA and FBI had the effect of lowering moral to all-time lows. It is just possible our Intel. community didn't know what was comming. Couple those things with the poor state of our military at the time, thanks to Clinton's priorities, to mount an offensive against Iraq and......well I guess you get the picture.

#2. One answer that comes to mind was the poor state of the Intel. Agencies Bush inherited from Clinton. However, since Ms. Davis has gone "semi public" with her research President Bush has certainly fixed his interest on Iraq. A coincidence? I don't think so.

#3. The Democrats certainly wouldn't put this at the top of their agenda. If it is true, then who gets/wants to go back and tell the families of the victims of Oklahoma City and Flight 800 that they were lied to? Would you?

[baseballmom]

UPDATE - MICHAEL SMERCONISH RADIO SHOW 10-4-02 4:20pm

Michael just announced on his show that he was in receipt of a fax letter from Sen Arlen Spector (whom he knows well) replying to him re: Jayna Davis info. This gist of the leter is:

Dear Director Meuller!!!! Spector told him he was in receipt of the FULL FILE of Jayna Davis in which it is alleged that Iraqi nationals (and perhaps Al Qada) were involved in OKC bombings. Jayna contacted his office with the information. **slight paraphrasing** here - *It is my understanding that members of my staff contacted your office requesting briefings on this matter - and were rebuffed.** It is also my understanding that briefings were offered to James Woolsey and he delined the offer. In light of the congressional hearings going on, don't you think this matter requires further investigating.** A CC was sent to John Ashcroft.

Michael said info of this letter would be made public in a statement later today by Spector's office.

Michael also said that Spector would welcome Jayna to his office, and Michael asked him if he could sit in on the conference WITH MICROPHONES. Spector said yes, and now Michael is working on broadcasting this radio show. He said "Don't miss the show next week."

Also, apparently, this is getting lots of play. Michael mentioned that it was on the FREE REPUBLIC website, Lucianne, and another that I forgot to write down. But that the internet was abuzz with this infor. And he has received literally 1000's of e-mails about this subject since Wednesday, when he had Jayna on his show.

PS. I copied and pasted the recipients names from various posts. If I neglected to post anyone that you know is interested, please ping them for me. Thanks.

[Twodees]

Oops..sorry 'bout that. ;-)