Election 2002: Bush continues pushing McBride for specifics on environment plan

Naples Daily News via AP ^ | 10-14-02 | Associated Press

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Gov. Jeb Bush continued asking for specific ideas from Democratic gubernatorial nominee Bill McBride on Sunday, especially regarding McBride's newly released plan for Florida's environmental future. Bush, appearing before supporters in Fort Lauderdale, attacked his challenger for refusing to talk about certain tenets of the plan, including its cost.

FORT LAUDERDALE — Gov. Jeb Bush continued asking for specific ideas from Democratic gubernatorial nominee Bill McBride on Sunday, especially regarding McBride's newly released plan for Florida's environmental future.

Bush, appearing before supporters in Fort Lauderdale, attacked his challenger for refusing to talk about certain tenets of the plan, including its cost.

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush speaks to supporters during the Viva Broward celebration in Fort Lauderdale Sunday. Wilfredo Lee/AP

"He released some guiding principles but I think a candidate for governor has a responsibility not just to criticize and attack, but to have concrete ideas," Bush said. "I don't know what they are because he hasn't said what they are."

McBride, who made campaign stops at five predominantly black churches in the Tampa area Sunday morning, said the environmental plan is still in its initial stages and specific details have not been finalized.

"It's just an approach," McBride said. "It will not have a significant fiscal effect."

Speaking later Sunday at a barbecue with 700 supporters in Tampa, Bush said McBride "refuses to offer one specific proposal regarding what he would do as governor."

McBride's list, released on Saturday, said in part that he would protect agricultural and forest lands, maintain the state's land-acquisition programs, ban offshore oil drilling and hasten restoration of the Everglades.

Some environmental groups, including the Sierra Club, have endorsed McBride.

McBride's message was essentially the same at all five churches he visited Sunday. In his remarks, he assured voters that they know where he stands on issues facing the state.

"The most important question is the first question in the Bible; God speaking to Adam, asking 'Where are you?' That's a question you have to ask politicians," McBride said. "Where's are you? Where's your heart? Where do you stand? You know where I stand."

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Jeb has spent his time detroying conservative communities and voting blocks (including mine) to win over greens and they turn around and stick it up his a$$.

Too rich. I guess the Bush's never learn, they have to learn the hard way.

Gotta love it.

[AAABEST]

The Bush blueblood northeastern DNA comes through once again, and gets them NOTHING.

[AAABEST]

Bush signs up for Clinton's land grab program to give our tax dollars and property to the multi-billion dollar green whacko conglomerates, the sugar growers and his developer buddies.... only to have them stick the knife in his back.

I can't help but laugh at this while my friends and community suffer greatly for his ill-conceived blunderings.

[Carry_Okie]

Yup. Out West there are rural communities where government is the number one employer. They force out industry, then the landowners, and bring in the bureaucrats, and retirees.

It's a demographic plan for permanent control of the Senate.

[AAABEST]

It's a sad day when I have to take pleasure at the troubles of a politician who I worked very actively to get elected (I was on several committees in the Broward Jeb campaign).

It's also sad that I take a sick pleasure when one of their ignorant greenie recruits falls from a tree and dies.

Like Golda Mier said about the Palis, I hate them for that.

[MonroeDNA]

Your rants here (4 out of 5 posts) leave me scrathing my head.

Specifically, what are you talking about?

I am an independant voter here in Florida. Please state facts, if you want to pursuede me.

[MonroeDNA]

Your posts come accross as maniac. Please wipe the foam off your mouth and state some facts, which can be checked.

[blackie]

Let's Roll !!

The RATS are in disarray...eradicate the rodents !!

Fire Democrats, Hire Republicans !!

GWB Is The Man !!

Snuff Saddam, NOW !!

Death To all Tyrant's !!

The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

[Carry_Okie]

Jeb has spent his time detroying conservative communities and voting blocks (including mine) to win over greens and they turn around and stick it up his a$$.

Somebody should tell Carl Rove that Republicans can NEVER pander as much as the Slave Party will. Instead of trying to look green by setting aside more protected areas, Bush should be showing how the history of government "good ideas" to protect the Everglades has led to many of the problems it suffers. Then he should show how market solutions to ag runoff problems reduced the nutrient problems in the area faster than the project goal.

Proving that you can do the job better beats pretending that protection "works" and then racing to show how much you can "protect" while destroying your own political base in the process. It also beats the environmental damage that "environmental protection" all too often brings.

Of course; as we both know, the RICOnuts never were about the environment. Theirs is a corrupt plan to feed a bureaucracy, profit a powerful few, and a demographic and economic war against the Constitution of the United States.

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You're from Monroe county, you've been on FR longer than I have to explain CERP to you? What are you some kind of piker?

Your county is over 90% owned by the your fed local and state governemnt. Why do I know this and you don't?

I really don't have time to explain the entire 8.1 billion Comprehensive Everglades Restoration Plan and it's 68 projects but let me give you the bottom line.

Jeb decided to take up Clinton's big plans for a huge land grab. When the whole scheme was devised, he sat down with the huge sugar growers, enviro-real estate conglomerates, real estate developers and the Clinton admin (remember those cute photo ops?) and wrote legislation to "restore" the everglades. The sugar companies and the developers wanted the water, and the government agencies and the NGO enviro-groups wanted the land. They got it.

None of the stakeholders who would most be affected by this were consulted or even given a heads up. Now they're getting screwed.

Have you ever heard of the 8 1/2 square mile area? Guess not. Well they're about to have most of thier community bulldozed as a sacrificial lamb by unelected and unaccountable government agencies who are operating outside congessionally mandated law (NEPA). They've already had they're property devalued drastically because of intentional flooding to cause them to become "willing sellers". HERE is just one homeowner's story. Here is some more info for you.

In my area they're attempting the same thing, they're just getting started with us. You don't know the eviro-creep business plan by now? From one long time FReeper to another let me inform you:

Step 1. Create a "Crisis" based un-peer reviewed junk science.

Step 2. Devalue the surrounding property and as a side benefit destroy a conservative voting block.

Step 3. Commence to buying up all the surrounding land at bargain basement prices.

I have to educate you on this stuff?

If you want to talk intelligently I'm here to help. If you want to act like a newbie go away, I honestly don't have time. I'm not kidding, I don't have time for stupidity.

God bless you.

[Carry_Okie]

Specifically, what are you talking about?

LOL! I can understand that you might be confused coming in this late to an issue with a long, obscure, and dirty history.

A lot of the demographic war against landowners in the US is for control of the Senate, by which to govern the US via international treaty law through the courts. That is effectively what Global Governance through the UN is all about. The key is to use the Clean Water Act and the Endangered Species Act to gain control of land use. Both those laws use international treaties held at the UN for their authority to take private property from US citizens. Although the citizens do have to be compensated, first you make the land virtually worthless by saddling it with regulatory costs. The UN itself however is but a front for VERY large and VERY corrupt financial interests expressing themselves through tax exempt foundations. They fund RICOnut (environmentalist) non-governmental organizations (NGOs) to bring the lawsuits and control the cases with grant money to universities along with the aquiring agencies. There are numerous interests involved in these aquisitions:

In the case of parts of South Florida, Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, one issue is about control of food, primarily winter crops. International investors (for example Lloyd Bensten (Clinton's early Treasury Secretary) leads a consortium that has sunk over $2 Billion into producing assets offshore, where there are no safety rules, no environmental restrictions, no Social Security, and labor is dirt cheap. They seek to simply put US producers out of business to enhance the return on that investment and gain coercive power (food) over an unsuspecting urban population.

Lenin did the same thing.

What will they do with the abandoned land here? Well, some of it will be converted to eco-dachas, largely for retirees so development interests are involved. The former landowners will be shoved into cities where they are grossly outnumbered by the dependent classes and the land will be managed by equally dependent bureaucrats. Retirees, bureaucrats, and laborers will outnumber the producers and their suppliers and a permanent demographic conversion will result.

The fat cats make money all around, the peons outnumber independent citizens, and democratic fascism comes to America! It's that simple.

[Carry_Okie]

LOL! See above.

[AAABEST]

Ugh. Who has the time to explain all this anyway? People like you have the patience, I don't anymore. I'm too damned tired.

It is kind of comical in a tragic sort of way. It would be nice if people who should know better would at least know what the hell is going on in their own damned backyard.

[Carry_Okie]

Ugh. Who has the time to explain all this anyway?

Lol! It's my job, sorta. One of the reasons I am here at FR is to learn how to compress that information.

[forester]

Lol! It's my job, sorta. One of the reasons I am here at FR is to learn how to compress that information.

You're getting pretty good at it. I'm thinking about writing an essay on the salvage job I have going...I am having trouble selling the wood and finding loggers...it's been 90 days since the fire and we are already getting 30-40% blue stain in the pine, resulting in a 50% drop in value. A real case study in how even salvage logging is rapidly becoming economically unfeasible in our area.

[forester]

It would be nice if people who should know better would at least know what the hell is going on in their own damned backyard.

The true essence of the problem.

Thanks for keeping me on your ping list. Keep up the good work.

[Carry_Okie]

Nice to see you here. Got some good info on the fish out of Vic Kaczynski.

[Carry_Okie]

Here is what I posted elsewhere:

First of all, it seems as if most of the fish that died were Trinity River fish. Under natural conditions, the flow of the Klamath is insufficient to blow out the sand bar that develops over the summer. The fish stay at sea until after it rains and there is enough flow in the rivers for them to immigrate.

Enviros, rafting companies, sport fishing interests and power generators have collectively forced release of enough water in the Klamath for the bar to stay open. The fish came in and came to the mouths of the feeder streams such as the Trinity and the Scott. No water to run up those rivers. There hasn't been any rain. So there they stay in the rivermouth and over crowd. That stresses the fish and leaves them susceptible to disease. With the higher water temperature from Klamath Lake (which also stresses the fish) the bacteria will incubate more rapidly.

More bacteria plus overcrowding plus a heat stressed population equals an epidemic. That's the most likely theory I have heard out of any fish biologist I have asked. NOBODY in that area except the RICOnuts and the Tribes blames agricultural irrigation.

The difference between this year and years prior is that the runs are FAR larger. That is due to the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, a long term temperature shift back to colder ocean conditions which provides a better environment for both salmon and their prey species. There's more food.

The tribes just want money. They get money from the Feds. The RICOnuts want money. They get it from oil company foundations (particularly Pew) that want to blow out the Klamath Falls dam so that Scottish Power makes more money on their nearby gas fired power plant and on the carbon credits they get to sell for the BS methane it runs on (literally).

Something for everybody: a river run by politics. That's the real problem.

[E.G.C.]

Thank you for the bump and the article. This if I'm not mistaken is the state where we had the 2000 election fiasco took place. We need to watch very carefully and make these Demorats in authority don't try to pull these kind of stunts again.

[AAABEST]

Thanks for keeping me on your ping list.

LOL! I was thinking every member of my ping list would probably want my head by now for clogging up their inbox.

Thank you sir for taking an interest, you're sorely needed.